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| posted on July 18th, 2011 at 03:50 PM |
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Probably cos most of us don't like the cars only the engines.
I'd rather a professional subaru conversion than a hacked up ill-handling vw conversion.
It's not like the world is ever gonna run out of unmolested VWs anyway, there's only several millions of them left.
All the purists have that base covered 
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| posted on July 18th, 2011 at 06:39 PM |
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I'm thinking of buying a Subaru Impreza and putting a 1916 aircooled engine in it.
What do you think? 
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| posted on July 23rd, 2011 at 09:07 PM |
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A V6 in kombi would be a good option, the added weight really wont effect handling that much as there's not much of it to start with ad the torque
would be perfect for getting a loaded brick moving but a V6 in a type3??
That would corner like a bucket of shit.
Might pop mean wheelies, but that and straight line would be all it's good for.
A VR6 mid mounted would handle slightly better but it's not like it's an elegant or practical option.
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holy f**k!  what a mess!
i don't know that an iron v6 donk would effect the handling that badly like you say. the weight difference is that of only 1 small/medium person in
the boot. i guess you could chuck in the weight difference and position that in the boot accordingly and take it for a test drive and see what
difference it makes?
its not like a beetle. type 3 is over a ton and has much larger wheel base and much better suspension set up.
the weight distribution of a type 3 is 60/40 and it would end up about 63/37 and thats with the radiator in the back with this quick calculation.
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| posted on July 23rd, 2011 at 10:24 PM |
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its not like a beetle. type 3 is over a ton and has much larger wheel base and much better suspension set up.
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Well you lose that bet.
All air cooleds - Beetle, kombi, type3, Karmann Ghia etc have identical wheel bases.
same with with suspension a type3 and beetle have identical Rear ends be it swing or IRS and the front if you exclude strut bugs is still the same
prehistoric tractor torsion bar front end.
THe extra weight wouldnt really bother most people, it;s only if your fussy about handling that it would be of any concern.
No idiot in their right mind would put the rad in the back especially in a type3, there are absolutely no advantages to rear rads except for tight
asses saving money on less pipework.
The VR6 in the square above is actually seized cos it over heated thanks to his crappy rear mount......
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| posted on July 23rd, 2011 at 10:58 PM |
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Comon Joel, Vlad killed the thread with that wheelbase comment........now look what you've done 
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| posted on July 23rd, 2011 at 11:20 PM |
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| posted on July 23rd, 2011 at 11:27 PM |
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Hi
A super has a 30 mm longer wheelbase than a Massey Ferguson equeiped Beetle.
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| posted on July 24th, 2011 at 12:06 PM |
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Pffft, couple of extra psi in the tyres will make up for that
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| posted on July 24th, 2011 at 05:27 PM |
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its not like a beetle. type 3 is over a ton and has much larger wheel base and much better suspension set up.
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Well you lose that bet.
All air cooleds - Beetle, kombi, type3, Karmann Ghia etc have identical wheel bases.
same with with suspension a type3 and beetle have identical Rear ends be it swing or IRS and the front if you exclude strut bugs is still the same
prehistoric tractor torsion bar front end.
THe extra weight wouldnt really bother most people, it;s only if your fussy about handling that it would be of any concern.
No idiot in their right mind would put the rad in the back especially in a type3, there are absolutely no advantages to rear rads except for tight
asses saving money on less pipework.
The VR6 in the square above is actually seized cos it over heated thanks to his crappy rear mount......
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hmm? what do you know, you're right, the wheelbase is the same.  I was sure beetle one was shorter as I have heard it mentioned several times already when the type 3 vs type 1 suspension convos get heated up.
yeah the rear irs is the same but I was referring to the front. More weight up front and completely different setup made it a much more stable.
As for radiators I couldn't be f**ked working out the weight difference in the front vs back . For simplicity sakes I just calculated the weight all
in the back.
As for the thread I did a good job didn't I
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| posted on July 25th, 2011 at 12:32 PM |
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I always figured Type3 and bug would be the same but I remember first time I heard Kombi was the same wheelbase I called BS.
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| posted on July 25th, 2011 at 06:16 PM |
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I have scientific publications manuals for 1500 bug and type 3. Only the type 3 manual states wheelbase.
Bug one doesn't? nor the wheel track for irs models only for SA. Type 3 manual tells you everything even an acceleration chart and gear change
points, performance stats etc... Even the weather the car was tested in lol Its got integrated wheels road test as part of the book.
So I never seen the hard facts on these specs of the beetle. Don't own one either. Did have a buggy though and it was much shorter wheel base.
Probably had the chassis shorten.
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| posted on July 25th, 2011 at 07:20 PM |
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Yeah I've got those same manuals, the bug one has a white aussie 60s bug on the front yea?
The Superbug manual has the road test with colour, weather conditions, acceleration chart, all that crap too, I've also got the kombi one
somewhere.
The 1600 baywindow kombi acceleration chart is good for a laugh, I think most peoples sprint to the dunny after a curry would be quicker.
I'd reckon most people even be done wiping by the time top speed is reached.
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| posted on July 29th, 2011 at 06:33 PM |
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lol what is the 0-100 time?
type 3 1600 dual carb is 17 sec can't imagine any
slower. hyundai getz gets pretty close though
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| posted on July 29th, 2011 at 08:50 PM |
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I'd have to dig it out but it's around 30secs for 1600 4 speed.
They are very heavy and aerodynamically worse than a brick so it's understandable that the same engine that propels a bug to 100 in 18secs is gonna
struggle.
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| posted on August 1st, 2011 at 10:32 AM |
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It is surprising the type 3 is a sec quicker than the bug even though the bug weighs in at 840kg ? and the type 3 is 1035Kg.
Guess that extra 11hp and 10ft-lb helps.
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| posted on August 1st, 2011 at 11:23 AM |
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Dunno where you got those figures from?
is that 1500 or 1600 type3 and beetle?
Cos 1600 type3 is 65hp and 1600 bug is 60hp, that the higher CR and twin carbs
Performance is bug 0-100 16.6sec top speed 84mph
type3 0-100 17.2sec top speed 83.3mph
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| posted on August 1st, 2011 at 01:32 PM |
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Guys...!
Where is this thread going???
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| posted on August 1st, 2011 at 01:42 PM |
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I got figures of 0-100 17.2 sec. top speed of 87mph 1/4 mile in 20.5sec
operator manual says 83 mph but wheels road test got an average of 87mph, and I have pushed my old square just over 90mph down a massive hill with a
tail wind
My notch couldn't do over 75mph even with a 4km straight pos
engine!
Google says 1302 and 1303 to have 77ft-lb and 54hp, my 1500 workshop manual says 54hp for 1500?
I don't know?? bug specs seem all over the place. So many sites say differently to each other for the 1600 bug. I have never personally seen the
60hp figure mentioned anywhere in my life yet.
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| posted on August 1st, 2011 at 01:43 PM |
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down the toilet thats where.
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| posted on August 1st, 2011 at 02:34 PM |
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That's cos the yanks like to speak in SAE hp and Europe likes DIN hp so the figures are all over the shop depending where you read.
60hp is the stock factory hp for all non smog 1600tp with a 34pict3.
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| posted on August 1st, 2011 at 05:20 PM |
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yeah but DIN vs SAE is only 1.39 more difference at 100 DIN.
but I see figures 5-10 hp out at number around the 50 mark. I thing people just make them up lol. Chinese whisperers!
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