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| posted on March 29th, 2013 at 04:56 PM |
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http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&site=webhp&tbm=isch&source=...
It is this style throw out bearing ^^
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Yep
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Should it be that one or is it wrong?
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| posted on March 30th, 2013 at 07:57 AM |
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That's the one for the pressure plate with no center ring
Make sure it slides up and down it's guide tube okay and returns right back on the guide tube.... That will be one more thing accounted for.
If you can get the flywheel off, should be able to get it machined locally. That would save you having to reset the end float if you changed for
another.
Definitely can get it machined in coffs harbour
Hang in there, these things happen to us all...... I normally have something to tend to on one of my two beetles each weekend........ The only way to
avoid the constant tinkering is do a big $$$, every nut and bolt full rebuild.
If keen you could bring the engine up here and we can get it sorted
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| posted on March 31st, 2013 at 05:59 PM |
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Okay well i am hanging in there and i have made the desicion that im not giving up, i just need to get this sorted asapand i would love to be able to
bring the engine up to get it sorred but the car and engjne are both stuck where they are untill there fixed.
The throw out bearing slides on the shaft all the way out but slidig back in it seems to not go all the way back unless you push it with your hand but
im only talking the tinyest bit. And anyways i think we can rule out the fork and shaft and the throw out bearing because engaging and disenfaging the
clutch is fine but i have afeling the flywheel has been machined too much and so once the pressureplate weaes dowb past a cirtain point it just slips
and cabt get grip cause not enough pressure.
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| posted on April 15th, 2013 at 05:28 PM |
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Just read your whole thread bummer on the clutch but it all will be worth it in the end. I love custom dubbs.Standard is nice but they are boring.
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| posted on April 17th, 2013 at 10:50 AM |
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Heres the pictures of the parts
Got the engine back out now and am back getting into trying to fix this problem, so now that ive pulled the engine back out i can see the clutch disc
is quite worn and alot of marks and patterns from last time i put it in this is obviously caused from the sliping and spining. There is some picture
below can you all comment what you think about the parts look like and what could be the problem? the depth check on both flywheels shows it has been
machined correctly and not machined down too far, although the flywheel that came with the engine looks very shinny and pollished kinda look to it,
maybe scored flywheel or something? Let me know what you's think.
Clutch Plate and Pressure Plate
Flywheel that came on the engine
Replacement Flywheel
Bellhousing
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| posted on April 17th, 2013 at 11:05 AM |
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OK - good to hear you're back into it !!!
Your bellhousing pic looks to have quite a lot of oil around the place... waaaaay more than is healthy for a clutch. Even looks to be eating into your
trans mounts.
Hard to be sure from the pics of the flywheel on the engine and the clutch plate. The flywheel off the engine... while it looks pretty scored, going
by all the rust it definitely hasn't had oil anywhere near it.
Are you sure there's not oil leaking from the rear main seal and finding it's way to the clutch plate ??? Doesn't need much oil there to make it
slip...
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| posted on April 17th, 2013 at 11:08 AM |
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IMO it looks like your clutch cable might be adjusted wrong........have a look at how far down the thread the wing nut is, it should only have about
15mm-20mm of thread.
Also, if you look at the thrust bearing its right out near the end of the tube its sliding on.......it should be sitting back towards the gearbox,
with approx 10-15mm of the slide tube exposed.
So basically your clutch is not disengaging fully (thrust bearing is still up against the pressure plate) and this is why it is slipping.
Your clutch plate, pressure plate and flywheel all look like they are in good condition, whereas the "replacement flywheel" would need to be
machined before fitting..... but you don't need to fit it. !!!
Clean your flywheel, pressure plate and clutch plate with thinners/ brake clean etc and put it all back together.....then adjust your clutch !
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| posted on April 17th, 2013 at 11:12 AM |
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something doesnt look right with the trow out bearing / drive shaft
Either the bearing is not seated properly or there is a problem with the shaft??
The first pic is yours
The 2nd pic is what I would have thought I should see
Or maybe its my old eyes??
Other opinions??
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| posted on April 17th, 2013 at 12:33 PM |
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Okay thankyou heaps guys for you input and help regards to this.
Before i put it all back together and put the engine back in for a 4th / 5th time and adjust the cable for the 6th / 7th time, how can i be sure as to
what is causing it, cause i have adjusted the wing nut many times and it was no better no worse.
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Hey actually looking more closely I think Bizarre is onto something... is it just a bad pic, or has your throwout arm had an extra/different set of
"arms" welded onto it ???
Also seems like LHS pivot on the bearing itself is bent out of square... which I woudln't have thought was possible, so it could just be the pic.
Some better pics might help - especially of the arm and bearing itself removed from the trans....
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| posted on April 17th, 2013 at 12:45 PM |
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Dylan is the bowden cable full of crap? one of my mates had one recently that the cable was jamming in the tube causing clutch slip as the cable
wouldn't return.
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| posted on April 17th, 2013 at 03:11 PM |
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IMO it looks like your clutch cable might be adjusted wrong........have a look at how far down the thread the wing nut is, it should only have about
15mm-20mm of thread.
Also, if you look at the thrust bearing its right out near the end of the tube its sliding on.......it should be sitting back towards the gearbox,
with approx 10-15mm of the slide tube exposed.
So basically your clutch is not disengaging fully (thrust bearing is still up against the pressure plate) and this is why it is slipping.
Your clutch plate, pressure plate and flywheel all look like they are in good condition, whereas the "replacement flywheel" would need to be
machined before fitting..... but you don't need to fit it. !!!
Clean your flywheel, pressure plate and clutch plate with thinners/ brake clean etc and put it all back together.....then adjust your clutch !
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| posted on April 17th, 2013 at 03:29 PM |
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very sad day but the engine is back in the car after i adjusted the cable again and cleaned up the clutch and flywheel and put it all back together
and back in the car and still yet again it is no better. I can not fix this problem so the car is now up for sale. I am by no means leaving the VW
scene but right now this is just too much for me when i need transport and i dont have the time to be trying to work out why it's doing this.
Some good things about the car Below, The only bad things about the car is that the clutch slips and there is 1 small rust job near the arieal that
will need some attention, and also a rust crack in the rear engine comparment area around the drainage area of the decklid.
- Rego till December
- Rebuilt 1600cc Twin Port
- Full front suspension rebuild with all new parts
- H4 Headlights (Australian E Code)
- SAAS Sports Seats on factory bases and rails
- New brembo front rotors
- New wheel bearings
Just to name a few, for full list P.M Me as there has been ALOT of new parts recently put on the car.
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| posted on April 17th, 2013 at 04:20 PM |
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Why not take to a mechanic?
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| posted on April 17th, 2013 at 04:33 PM |
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i have spent thousands on it and i don't have the money to take it to a mechanic to try fix. I am qualified up to cert 3 mechanical anyways. im just
sick of all the time and hard work and still not getting anywhere.
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| posted on April 17th, 2013 at 04:45 PM |
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Dude - don't give up on it. It's a just slipping clutch FFS, and while it may be a pain in the arse and frustrating IT CAN be fixed.
Hell, you mess around inside speedo's which are waaaay more frikken complicated and fiddly. No idea how many clutch jobs I've done, but never been
able to pull a speedo apart and make it work again.
Or the tough love version - give up now and all the people on here who've tried to encourage, advise and help will be left just sittin back and
shakin their heads at the Cert 3 mechanic who was beaten by a POS Volkswagen...
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It's all too hard at the moment for me and yes it really is quite sad but what more can i do, the car is at my mothers place where i cant even live
at but the cars stuck here so i can only work on it when i com down for a few days at a time. im meant to be getting a job and starting a new life
interstate but haven't had transport for 2 months now and before that it was on a dieing engine with oil pouring everywhere and no muffler on 4 into
1 extractors and people calling the cops on me wherever i went and coped alot of abuse aswell.
Id love to keep it, i would love to be able to keep it and fix it slowly but i need transport and to buy another car i need to sell this to get some
money back. it's very depressing but lifes a mess right now and it's only gonna get worse for me unless i get a job and carear and start a new life
in a positive direction and get right away from all the bad people and bad stuff that ive been thru. wanting to live a good peace full life now i dont
wanna get caught up in bad stuff and the wrong croud as i have been. Things are just a real mess and to fix things i need transport so i can be
relaible to get to and from work every day to break the chain of all these problems i have expirienced and the people around me have expirienced.
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Bizzarre & Sides you may be right,it looks like the arms have been welded on to strengthen them or it broke an arm off and they have been welded
on in the wrong position,we might have to replace the fork to get it sitting where it should be and I am still sus about a cracked diaphragm.| Quote: | Originally
posted by Sides
Hey actually looking more closely I think Bizarre is onto something... is it just a bad pic, or has your throwout arm had an extra/different set of
"arms" welded onto it ???
Also seems like LHS pivot on the bearing itself is bent out of square... which I woudln't have thought was possible, so it could just be the pic.
Some better pics might help - especially of the arm and bearing itself removed from the trans....
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| posted on April 17th, 2013 at 09:11 PM |
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What stumps me is that the bug was fine on it's original engine, then i replaced that engine with the $150 block and had no dramas, now ive changed
the engine to this one and it's having all the dramas, what i dont get is if it was the fork or arm then why wasn't it like it on the 2nd engine or
the 1'st? nothings broken so if it was wrong then why is it only muckin up now with the 3rd engine when all 3 engines have had the same pressure
plate.
I did a depth check and it's at 21 and a half and the little depth is at 1 and a half. This is the same messurement as the replacement flywheel i
have here.
The only thing thats left is the clutch disc and it's clean, not oily, meaty and is a sachs disc.
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| posted on April 18th, 2013 at 08:07 AM |
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As these guys have said mate, (assuming the engine is stiill in the car) first thing to do now is to back that wing nut right off, you could almost go
to the point where you cant actually select a gear with the engine running because the clutch is still engaged. Then work back from there until the
point you can select a gear. Then see if you still are having slipp issues.
Bottom line is, dont give up on her yet, it can only be an issue that is contained to throw-out bearing / fork /operating lever / cable / cable
housing. Neither of which are a major problem to overcome once you know which it is.
come a long way to chuck the towel in now mate.
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IMO it looks like your clutch cable might be adjusted wrong........have a look at how far down the thread the wing nut is, it should only have about
15mm-20mm of thread.
Also, if you look at the thrust bearing its right out near the end of the tube its sliding on.......it should be sitting back towards the gearbox,
with approx 10-15mm of the slide tube exposed.
So basically your clutch is not disengaging fully (thrust bearing is still up against the pressure plate) and this is why it is slipping.
Your clutch plate, pressure plate and flywheel all look like they are in good condition, whereas the "replacement flywheel" would need to be
machined before fitting..... but you don't need to fit it. !!!
Clean your flywheel, pressure plate and clutch plate with thinners/ brake clean etc and put it all back together.....then adjust your clutch !
I have left you a phone message, so feel free to give me a call.
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| posted on April 18th, 2013 at 11:12 AM |
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Hi Dylan
Don't give up mate, this all character building, your going to have lots of character after this
Looking at the way your clutch is adjusted your diaphragm could be collapsed, do you have photo of the other side of the pressure plate?
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| posted on April 18th, 2013 at 02:38 PM |
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i have backed the wingnut off all the way and the throw out bearing and arms go all the way back and i have only got the tinyiest amount of clutch
just enough to slip gears. i have adjusted the cable that many times it's deffinatly not it, and ill try get a picture of the front of the pressure
palte, but whats the chances that 2 pressure plates that were working are now both not working, i dont think the chances of that would be very high.
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| posted on April 18th, 2013 at 04:25 PM |
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I'd be willing to bet a new clutch cable and you will perfectly fine again.
Its either breaking or stretching and doing up the wing nut that far is the only way to get any movement at the pedal, downside being its half
engaging the clutch all the time being wound up that far.
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With some new pictures and everything else seemingly eliminated at this point, thats a fair call Joel
.... Wouldn't be nice to sell the car to hear a $25 clutch cable change provided the fix Dylan !
Focus on how time, effort and $$ are needed to get it right, not how much it's taken to get it this close
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I agree - maybe a stretching clutch cable, other thing to check is the hook on the end of the clutch pedal where the cable attaches - this can wear
thin, break, bend etc etc depending on the life of the car.
Getting frustrated as f&$k is all part of the game with old cars - take it from someone who has sold several cars and later regretted it.
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by DylanTheDubber
i have backed the wingnut off all the way and the throw out bearing and arms go all the way back and i have only got the tinyiest amount of clutch
just enough to slip gears. i have adjusted the cable that many times it's deffinatly not it, and ill try get a picture of the front of the pressure
palte, but whats the chances that 2 pressure plates that were working are now both not working, i dont think the chances of that would be very high.
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Hi
clutch cables break all the time..
they stretch first [usually] and can snap the strands one by one until it breaks..
and that was with good german cables...
with aftermarket or Brasillian or mexican etc...
they probably don't last as long...
Years ago, I found a campany in the USA that made and sold cables guaranteed for life...
VW clutch and accelerator cables included..
but they didn't want to know about selling outside the USA...
weren't interested at all... lol
cheers
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