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 Camo
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| posted on August 25th, 2011 at 05:36 PM |
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Be Warned, there is swearing in this post. About inner scraper fitment
Been trying to fit the F*#ken inner window scrapers on a early Beetle (61) and they are an absolute c*#t to try and fit.
I say 'try' as they still aren't f*#ken fitted.
Did the search thing, so don't bother suggesting that.
Does anyone know an easy way to fit these f*#kers and please dont say to use the original wire clip with new rubber. The originals were thrown out
over 3 f*#ken years ago.
For those that may know me, you can probably tell I am a bit pissed off at the moment. It would be easier and quicker to pull the f*#ken engine out
than to fit these f*#ken things.
Not happy, Kev 
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| posted on August 25th, 2011 at 05:43 PM |
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Mate, after much cussing i got rid of the clips that were on the new window scrapers and fitted some good quality automotive two-way tape. Still
there after 3 1/2 years
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| posted on August 25th, 2011 at 05:45 PM |
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mate i did my drivers door a few weeks ago ad had no worries after i made an s shaped tool that i could sit on the clip and roll in into place wish
had put it where i could find it again
good luck
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| posted on August 25th, 2011 at 06:03 PM |
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Kev I have a door hanging in the shed i will have a look tomorrow and if the clip is still there it's yours, I will let you know. Now sit down and
have a couple of beers. Cheers Les
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| posted on August 25th, 2011 at 06:14 PM |
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I did mine near on 10 years ago, pric of a job, even manageda small scratch on the fresh paint to make me feel better!
God luck, can't remember anything but pain and perserverance
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| posted on August 25th, 2011 at 06:30 PM |
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Grumble, thank you for the offer but if it comes to that I will just try and get some of Boris at Vintage Veedub.
I was reading one post on here from 2004 where someone else was having the same problems and the person that helped him said that if you have tinted
windows not to fit the inner scraper as it will scratch them. Also stated that it was not really needed as there is obviously no water on the inside
of the car 
Also glad to hear I am not the only one 
Kev
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| posted on August 25th, 2011 at 06:38 PM |
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If you search on "The Samba" you'll find several threads on fitting scrapers.
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| posted on August 25th, 2011 at 06:55 PM |
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Now here's some advice Kev.
Drop the tools and take a deep breath and leave it for another day.
It will all be so much clearer 2morrow.
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| posted on August 25th, 2011 at 07:43 PM |
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Obviously haven't done the outers with out scratching paint yet !
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| posted on August 25th, 2011 at 08:04 PM |
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I know it is a silly question Kev but the window is in the bottom of the door or out of the car isn't it? I have fitted a few over the years and
can't remember that much trouble although the memory does fade with time.
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| posted on August 25th, 2011 at 08:30 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by hellbugged
Obviously haven't done the outers with out scratching paint yet !
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getting the quarter window in without scratching is also a challange.
best bet it to put some masking tape around the doors to stop the paint getting scratched.
I'm just waiting on the roll of tint I;ve ordered to turn up till I do my scrapers and seals.
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| posted on August 25th, 2011 at 08:59 PM |
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Only working on drivers door so far,
Here is the link that I mentioned above where they suggest leaving it off:
http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=21192&page=1#pid157664
So far, no paint off. Maybe I just jinxed myself
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| posted on August 25th, 2011 at 10:52 PM |
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It was interesting...
i did mine not so long ago, bout 8 weeks ago. I learnt that by going slow and steady, it actually didn't help with the job. Those clips are stubborn,
once you align the holes you have to use force to get em in there, not a gentle then till hard pressure. give it a shock (without impact) to drive the
clips in with your hands.
Even to the point of putting a metal flat solid object behind where the clip is (on the inner trim) and levering the flat metal to push the clip in by
using your hands to rest on to save the paint (as said watch the paint).
But you gotta feel out the clips and where they are in regards to the holes. a torch is your friend, and so is a very fine flat head screwdriver to
help stick in side to help align the clips. Bent clips can be reshaped.
Quarter windows had a nasty habit of bending the thin aluminium when trying to refit into the door though. do take care. the door panel itself has
flex and having two dub people who know what they ahve to do (one opening the scrapers and channel) and one sliding the quarter window in you will
find it will all just fall into place.
this is assuming its the same process as a 69'.
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| posted on August 26th, 2011 at 08:28 AM |
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Kev, is it the long wire thingo with a series of bent clips formed in it, that is causing you to use all that awful language? If so, there is a 'nack' to fitting them. When I worked
on Beetles, I must have done dozens of them, but I cant remember exactly how they went in, but if I had a go at one, it would come back to me I'm
sure.
Would you like me to pop down the 'hill', and give you some help? [just an excuse to have a look at that Beetle.......looks better than last time I
saw it, I'm sure.
Cheers, Greg
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| posted on August 26th, 2011 at 08:46 AM |
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The wire clip arrangement is the early pre 67 style, the later one has similar clips to the outside if I remember correctly.
Best advice is use the og clips and metal but too late for that one. Lube the clips and as Chris has said, be sure clip alignment is good and use a
positive motion to instal......sounds too easy, don't know what's wrong with you Kev??????   
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| posted on August 26th, 2011 at 12:34 PM |
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beg borrow or steal the O G wires,throw the new ones to the shithouse, and with the window in the bottom of the door or preferably out altogether, its
a 15min job ,you can get into the opening with one hand and with the other feel up where the wire comes thru to make sure its aligned with the slots
then just a bit of pressure square on and it pops in easy peasy ,when you do the outside ones use the new rubber in the old mount and stick you hand
up inside the door to feel the clips and "help" them thru the slot.if you are doing the insides with the outside already in place you will have to
be a little creative at the rear of the door so as to get the rubber behind the bailey channel ,not difficult just takes a bit of prodding and a
little bit of rubber grease. i find it easier to wip the door off and put it on stands ,saves your knees. Oh and when you finish ,before you try and
wind up your windows put a light spray of silicone spray on the rubbers or if you havnt got any use baby powder ,but silicone spray is better
Don't argue with an idiot; people watching may not be able to tell the difference.
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| posted on August 26th, 2011 at 01:18 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by matberry
....sounds too easy, don't know what's wrong with you Kev??????
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Yeah, I know. Need to give myself an uppercut and get on with it
Well a good nights sleep and heaps of advice, doesn't make the job any easier
With that said, have the drivers side inner done
As 'toplessbug' and others have said, throw the new ones out and get originals. I unfortunately only had my new ones and with a lot of swearing
(believe it or not) and a little bit of muscle and using a pair of long nose pliers managed to show it who was boss.
Others, you have been warned. Not about my swearing but to keep your original inner scraper spring clip thingy, it will make life a lot easier.
Thanks all, Kev.
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| posted on August 28th, 2011 at 02:42 AM |
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Hi Kev
I still remember that that was THE worst job in restoring a beetle
all the inner clips broke as they popped into the holes??
I ended up gluing them in with contact cement...
which wasn't easy with the glass in place lol
You need to let the contact touch dry both surfaces then You get one chance to get them together.. fore ever lol
I used wooden pegs [halfs] to hold the scraper in place for a day or so..
the aluminium strip on the outside bends when you look sideways at it...lol
another pain...
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| posted on August 28th, 2011 at 11:18 AM |
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This is indeed a painfull job, it makes you wonder how the guys on the assembly line did it in a few seconds as the car rolled past.
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| posted on August 28th, 2011 at 11:26 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by t1 time
This is indeed a painfull job, it makes you wonder how the guys on the assembly line did it in a few seconds as the car rolled past.
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Parts that fitted helped.
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| posted on August 28th, 2011 at 11:54 AM |
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A few seconds is all it takes, using the genuine VW wire clip piece.
With the wire strip, and all [7?] clips fitted to the rubber, and the window out of the way, start from the end with the STRAIGHT side of the wire
clip nearest the end.
Push the STRAIGHT side in first, then roll the BENT side in while pressing the clip together, and in at the same time. Repeat until all clips are in.
Piece of piss!
I'd rather wear a Beetle out by racing it than by polishing it!
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| posted on August 28th, 2011 at 12:52 PM |
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As mat said, the original (ones that fit) correct designed part helps.
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Repeat until all clips are in. Piece of piss!
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Greg, can you send me a piece of piss in the mail please. It may help lubricate the clips as I try and get them in
As I mentioned, I managed to get the clips in and then fitted the window. When I started to wind the window down the bloody inside scraper was
grabbing on the glass and I nearly pulled the bloody thing off (would have had the shits big time), lucky I noticed. Sprayed some silicone spray on it
and it stays in place, just have a smeary window
Will see what happens now after I clean the glass.
Kev
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| posted on August 28th, 2011 at 04:09 PM |
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Hi Kev
I had the outside scrapers grabbed by the glass on my sons 1303, we were in Canberra at the time. I managed to get it fixed up later at home by
fitting some extra clips, there was already holes for them in the door and on the outside scraper.
Steve
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Yes Kev
One of My inners went up with the glass after it was fitted
so contact adhesive now... never move.. lol
I believe talcum powder is a good lubricant with rubber..
haven't tried it.. also have silicone spray...
someone said WD40 is also OK and keeps the windows from fogging up too...
Non smeary WD40 would need to be used.. lol
the rubber must be a different compound now..
and the rubbers are jammed in so its no wonder those clips don't hold..
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As mat said, the original (ones that fit) correct designed part helps.
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posted by HappyDaze
Repeat until all clips are in. Piece of piss!
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Greg, can you send me a pice of piss in the mail please. It may help lubricate the clips as I try and get them in
As I mentioned, I managed to get the clips in and then fitted the window. When I started to wind the window down the bloody inside scraper was
grabbing on the glass and I nearly pulled the bloody thing off (would have had the shits big time), lucky I noticed. Sprayed some silicone spray on it
and it stays in place, just have a smeary window
Will see what happens now after I clean the glass.
Kev
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| posted on August 29th, 2011 at 07:10 AM |
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leave them till i get back to Sydney I have some clips n tricks
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| posted on August 29th, 2011 at 10:33 AM |
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they go in as easy as they come out I recon.
Helps having the glass out and the original clips. I had to keep the clips as the new ones didn't come with them.
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| posted on August 29th, 2011 at 06:25 PM |
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I gave up and run without them and I was using the original clips!
The windows are close enough to wipe if they get condensation on them.
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