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got done leaving Phillip island last year. far dinkum. we all left and were aware the cops would be out in force. we watched our speeds and even saw
the dark blue camery parked of the road.
i got done for 106/100. mate done for 104/100. mate for 104/100. mate for 107/100. what an absolute load of shiat.
when i got the notice i rand my mates and found out they had got aone too. i wrote a bitch letter complaining of the stupidity and irelevence of such
a fine and jsut refused to pay.
they sent me a reminder- i sent them another bitch letter. i got a very blunt response. an a demand/court apperance type.
in the end ( i've learned going to court come be worse) i paid the fine. they then chased me for 4 months re a late fee which i responded that i
would just refuse to pay. after a while i think it was left to slide.
but seriously it was a load of crap. adn i know a lot of blokes aint goin south for the island this year because of the law. vic camera tolerance is
3ks over.
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what I find funny, is not the cops giving up, but the idiot drivers not pulling over to let them through !!!
lucky that you had a lot of idiots on the road that day !!!!!:o
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Yeah funny that. But the cars in the back didn't pull over - there was no place to pull over anyway and the cars in front went real slow - on
account of the copper - I went dead slow - so unless someone did a complete stop - there was no way that the cop could have caught up to me. And I was
in no mood to pull over to a dark sidestreet and let the police issue me with a fine and stern warning for taking such a long time to pull over.
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i got done for 106/100. mate done for 104/100. mate for 104/100. mate for 107/100. what an absolute load of shiat.
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I'm just curious. Are you going to vote for Bracks (labor) in the next election?
I got done in by one fine and that pissed me off so much that I'm going to try to persuade all my friends to vote for Liberals so long as the
Libs put in place a saner and fairer speeding fine system.
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Ive had one encounter with police and I must say it wasnt a bad one...I was bad yes but Mr Police man wasnt....I dont know who was looking after me
that night but someone was..or maybe it was just my smile...I duno but I count myself very lucky.
I was only 18 and that night a very very stupid 18 year old...Id just been to the pub with some friends in my car and after 11 or so pots of beer I
was driving home. I piled myself and four other friends into my little gemini coupe and on the way we picked up another 4 ppl to take back to a party
at home. That made 9 loud drunks in a little gemini coupe, I guess I was pulled over for overload reasons but he stuck me on the bretho also. I was
drunk, I can remember not being able to focas on the speedo, the whole dash seemed a blurr. He didnt tell me what my reading was... all he said was
4 ppl have to get outta the car and walk and asked how far I was going, I told him and he followed me till I was home.
To this day I still cannot believe my luck but never did I do it again , it taught me a lesson even if I didnt get busted. I was so scared.
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| posted on August 13th, 2003 at 09:09 AM |
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blue65. i am in nsw. my vote will only be going where common sense prevails. a 3klm over rule is such crap.
funny thing is that my bike is capable of 260klmh. an when ever we really give them a boot there is no poilce in site to uphold the law.
i think that they are forced to be pre occupied with revenue than high speed.
i have heard that nsw is adopting the 3klm toloerance... and that vic is leading the way with wanting a NO tolerance law.
when i was in germany, all i noticed was how much more alert drivers were and how much better the traffic flowed. i think that as people are allowed
to travel at where they are comfortable, or capable (although cars are apparently limited to 250 now) they are aware that there will be people
traveling at 250. i know i was. so they keep vigil and it seems to help with a better system.
i know here so many people seem frustrated with the speed. annoyed with the slow non vigil and in some cases couldn't give a toss drivers, that i
am sure it contributes to accidents more than anything else.
the '2hrs gets deadly boring' slogan is a crock also. of course it does if youre sitting in a bombadore with all creature comforts, no sense
of anything outside, no challenge to keep you alert. not being allowed to overtake anymore, unless on twolane straight roads ( have you noticed how
many places where once you could overtake but now cant.) what do they expect.
but no rather than have people learn to drive properly and improve our societies attitude and ability as a whole, they find it easier and of course
more beneficial to have stupid speed limits (introduced by the way, even before my kombi was considered state of the art technology).
there is even a group trying to lobby for samll motored speed limited cars that can not travel over 110............. probably made up of people who
have a tragedy as a result of a road accident. but at the same time the same people were probably taught to drive by there mums. probably can tdrive a
real car properly and yet even though they may have a family or friends with family and the personal tragedy they probably still havent thought about
improving there own driving skills. rather jsut look to blame an easy out. THEY SEEM TO BLINDLY BELIEVE THAT IF THEY TRAVEL AT THE SPEED LIMIT THAT
THEY ARE GUARANTEED SAFETY.( lets hope they at least keep left. )
as you can see this topic really bothers me.
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| posted on August 13th, 2003 at 09:13 AM |
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oh and i vote liberal... but they wont change the law as long as money is involved.... i think i will form my own party once i hae established a group
of followers... am getting there.
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| posted on August 13th, 2003 at 09:23 AM |
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VOTE 1 twoguns.:beer
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| posted on August 13th, 2003 at 09:52 AM |
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thats it
i will count the beers as votes. take a tally and take it the pollies...
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| posted on August 13th, 2003 at 10:11 AM |
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Well I dont vote :P
Youd be lucky to get the right answer outta me if you asked me who the prime minister is.
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| posted on August 13th, 2003 at 10:13 AM |
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Don't vote! It only encourages the bastards!
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| posted on August 13th, 2003 at 10:16 AM |
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i can understand having no point of view or interest.
but not voting... doesn't that jsut allow you to cop it sweet. with no right to complain or the chance to improve the environment in which you
live.
[Edited on 13/8/2003 by twoguns]
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| posted on August 13th, 2003 at 10:18 AM |
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Yep......care...nope
I just go with the flow
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| posted on August 13th, 2003 at 10:21 AM |
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Totally agree ... I work for a party (not going to mention which one) and nothing gets my goat more than constituents that complain about shit, but
aren't on the electoral role. If you want your say, go about it the right way and fill out your constitutional duty!
Sorry just my two bucks worth...
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| posted on August 13th, 2003 at 10:32 AM |
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Speed
Speed is a funny thing. I am currently working in a country that gets all of its cars from Japan as imports. I think just about all of them have
turbos and most have intercoolers. They are your usual spread of GT4 Celicas, 300ZX, Delica Vans, Hilux's etc . Anyway they are all more than
capable of good speeds.
Max speed limit is 65kmph and most of the speed zones are 40kmph. That is it. They never rush and all get to where they need to go. I think it is all
a matter of prospective. If you know it is going to take you 3 hrs to get somewhere then you allow 3 hours to get there, not 2 and then speed
everywhere.
If you speed you deserve to get booked. No matter what colour you paint the offence it is still wrong. Like it or not greater speed = greater breaking
distance = death to people who may not of otherwise died. It is one thing to say that people who have accidents can't drive it is another things
to actually beleive it.
Do us all a favour and abide by the limits. They are actually designed bassed on a formula that takes into account many variables, least of all the
chance of killing some kids who ain't old enough to know any better.
If you want to take up speeding try sky diving, if you want to go faster for longer then try it without the parachute.
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| posted on August 13th, 2003 at 10:33 AM |
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Yeah but Im not one too complain......
Fair enough if yer a whinging prick and wont vote.....thats just bloody stupid. Thats what votings about, ya have a whinge, ya have a vote, try make
it better for yerself. Fair enough, But not for me. As long as Im doing my piece for the enviroment in my own little ways I feel no guilt.
Anyway who bought up politics???? Ya just dont do that....next will be religion, haha
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| posted on August 13th, 2003 at 10:35 AM |
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:thumb Buggy brad
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| posted on August 13th, 2003 at 10:48 AM |
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Here is a laugh for you all !!
This is an extract from my local driving licence:
"The Kingdom of Tonga welcomes careful and considerate drivers. Pace of life in Tonga is relaxing, so many may experience this also while
driving"
Pretty much sums it up, the locals think nothing of driving at 20kmph in a 65 zone, if they feel like looking around they just slow right on down.
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one day you will be cruising along... obeying all the laws. you come to a hill and apply a little more throttle to help maintain a steady speed up the
hill. and as you get to the top you start to back off. but to late. you realise about eight days later that even though you obeyed the law and kept at
the speed limit, at the top of the hill just over the rise was a camera set up to catch those in the right lane over taking you cause you were a
little slow going up. but as you reached the top your speed was 84 and the limit was 80. now you have a fine for 115 dollars that you need to fork out
and one demerit point that you have lost for three years. on top of this you have to report it to your insurance company the next time you renew you
policy that you were BUSTED for speeding. they then amend your premium. sounds like that was fair and that the law and the police jsut saved your life
for sure on that one. or htats what the ads say.
its not about saftey and fair policing. the rule is no tolerance and revenue. its easier this way and more rewarding.
saftey is encouraging all drivers to have completed a driving course, by putting discounts on ins premiums for those who have and forcing all new
drivers to do a course rather than hoping mum was the expert you thought and then realising when you 'panic braked mid corner as you didnt judge
it right by five kays and now are sitting in hospital with some injury and your inducted into the hall of fame statistic for 'speed kills'
and not a statistic for 'poor skills.'
besides in japan they have a lot of 'midnight clubs'. these clubs are made up of cars only that do more than 250 and some with cars capable
of 300klmh. and they drive the highways at night. maybe thats their sanity check for the speeds they have. and japan is not as big as australia or
parts of europe, you would drive of the road from sheer boredom and swerve the broken line for sanity checks if that mentality came here.
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| posted on August 13th, 2003 at 12:26 PM |
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So let me guess this right....
You got booked doing 84kmph in an 80 kmph zone and you say things like obeying all the laws , obeyed the law and kept at the speed limit ????
You are gunna have to explain just how BREAKING the speed limit is obeying all the laws ? If you were OBEYING all the laws then you would not have
gotten booked in the first place.
You walking away with a ticket is not a result of some guy trying to make $$$$ for his quota, it is a result of you speeding.
I am confussed now.
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wasnt me but a mate. and i dont think that 84/80 in a 72 camper is speeding. how accurate is the speedo on your thirty odd year old car.
i also dont think 105/100 is also speeding. certainly not saving my life. my point is i jsut believe the focus is placed in the wrong direction.
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mmm
Accuracy of speedo's is always an interesting issue.
Firstly my 30 year old car is 100% correct. But it does have a new VDO speedo with electronic pickup in it which allows me to set up the correct
allowances for the 4WD tyres, anyway I digress.
Back to teh speed thing. Don't you find it funny that fault should always be in favour of teh person who is breaking teh law ? I mean if in doubt
shouldn't they travel at say 75kmph in an 80 kmph zone ?? NO that would be silly, then they wouldn't be getting maximum KM for their time.
Where should teh limit be ? When I was a little younger we had the cops at our high school, the question was asked about these new speed camera
things. The cops said " Don't worry they all work on 10% just like the radar guns " so what was teh end result ? Did we feel safe in
the fact that we could drive safely on the speed limit ? Hell no, we just drove 10% faster and then winged if we got booked.
The limit is 80kmph so ANYTHING over should be booked, there is no excuse, if in doubt drive slower.
Now before anyone arcs up, Yes I do speed and yes I have been booked, but I don't complain about the fact I was caught doing the wrong thing. I
do complain about everything else, but not the fact I was speeding. The old saying goes, "Do teh time do the crime"
I vote for zero tollerance..... :bounce:kiss
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and with the logic you have, which by the way i do agree with, as i do take caution around speed cameras in my bus.but with that logic in place you
will now have some drivers travelling at less than the sign posted speed all the time. the concern while driving is on not getting booked for a
pointless offence. the attention of the driver is then taken from the focus on driving safely to watching there speedo, and being distracted by the
moron fair up their clacker and the other honking the horn and pointing to his speed as they go by.
my point is not speeding. i also speed. always will. my point is that the focus of all these campains is on SPEED. not driver training. not driver
attitude. not safety of all road users.
think if the advertising budget that was used to tell everyone to slow down was actually used to tell everyone to consider others...learn to drive
properly and we will reward you.
maybe i've hi-jacked a post with a slight left field view... so
once i was travelling in the company car. heading back to port from coffs. it was a late afternoon and school hols was in full swing. anyway. knowing
the road quite well ahead i prepared to overtake the group of caravans and cars at the next overtaking oportunity i new was coming. i also new this
would be the last oportunity to over take caravans (limited i think to 80klmh) fora while. so oportunity up i take it. passed three vans and a
bombadore then the last van. as soon as i passed the bombadore i knew that it was an umarked. in those days all highway patrol had march rego. larger
fuel tanks. sat a bit lower and those 12 slot like shinny rims. as soon as i got back to my lane i preceeded to pull up as the lights on the bombadore
started to flash.
i got out of my car headed round the back with licence ready. the officer comes over and asks 'in a rush' i said 'no' just over
taking slower trafic. he asked how fast do you think you were travelling. i responded i recognised your car as i went by and looked at the speedo. i
was in the 140s i htink. he asked isnt that a bit excessive. i proceeded to explain my thoughts and actions... stating that i took all due care and
new the roads quite well. that i believed that overtaking involved all due care based on the conditions of the road but at the sametime to overtake as
quickly and safely as posible.i did not create an unsafe environment . i then asked him if i over took unsafely. he actually answered NO, but you did
speed. we hten chatted for a while. in teh end i was given a fine for not using my indicator properly. he issued the offence... in his word that
'i should give you something' but at the same time said ' you were at least aware of the vehicles and goings on around you which is
more han ive seen in a lot of drivers over the years.
i jsut like the idea where common sense does prevail...
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Hey look I stick rock hard to the speed limit. But I get seriously pissed off when the revenue police place their speed cameras to clock people as
they go down a hill or as they acclerate to power up a hill in a 60 or 70km zone ... or when they stick their speeding cameras in deserted industrial
areas when the speed limit suddenly drops to 60 from 80 for no apparent reason.
They are chasing after people who are going a few km over the limit in very low speed zones areas for the pure sake of revenue raising. If they were
placing their cameras in black or red spot areas - or near schools or local surburbian roads - I would not complain.
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posted by Buggy BradI vote for zero tollerance..... :bounce:kiss
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OK, fine. I really hope they put about 100 permanent speeding cameras in your neighbourhood and set the speed limit at 20km. And each speeding fine
will net the govt $200. Yeah that would be real cool 
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