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 clinker42
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| posted on September 10th, 2011 at 06:44 PM |
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Centre pull linkages
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Who makes a decent centre pull linkage system for Webers/Dellortos.
I have tried an Empi and a Scat, they look exactly the same and have the same problems.
Besides being crap quality wise, the centre pull shaft has to be high to clear the alternator, this puts the arm for the cable so far away from the
outlet in the shroud is nearly at right angles. Plus thats on the outer most hole for the cable and that leaves you with only 3/4 throttle, to get
full throttle i need one hole closer in and that just makes the cable angle worse.
Any one have any good pics of their setup.
Cheers
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| posted on September 10th, 2011 at 08:07 PM |
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I've had these linkages on my oval for over 6 years and haven't had any problems you just have to fiddle with them a bit to get the right angle.
You have to get a longer throttle cable.
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| posted on September 11th, 2011 at 08:03 PM |
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I prefer Berg
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| posted on September 12th, 2011 at 10:08 AM |
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csp also, they claim the best
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| posted on September 12th, 2011 at 10:29 AM |
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Have you seen these?
Very neat and tidy aren't they? A guy on "The Samba" has been making them, It's a full cable kit right back to where the original cable hooks on
beside the tunnel. Here's the post. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=420589&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=cable+throttle+linkage&st
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Apparently Jake Raby became very interested in them and has taken the guy on board. Nothing but good reports in the 8 pages of posts. Only downside is
they won't physically fit if your cooling shroud has heater outlets.
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| posted on September 12th, 2011 at 12:57 PM |
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Matt
Ye seen them, tried to buy a set of that Jake Raby, he isnt selling them yet as he isnt happy with his printed instructions. I told him i didnt care
about instructions and i needed a set, his reply was no.
He my be. Gret guy etc etc, but frikken hell, its throttle linkage, it int rocket science.
So me being the industriuos type of guy, i contacted Auto Cables Australia, he can make the cables and the adjusters. I just have to come up with the
wheels and brackets. Brackets i can mke at work, but the wheels are an issue as i cnt have access to the Cnc machine until after bathurst.
Will have to farm that part out.
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| posted on September 12th, 2011 at 01:29 PM |
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I tried a few cable setups like the one on Samba. His thread reads well, and they look great, his you tube vid show's how easy they are to adjust etc
etc.
The Aussie version was made by LMS Engineering in good ol Campbelltown. Stoker is on here occasionally, he may still knock you up some wheels.
I would still go with Berg for your application (altho open to CSP as I haven't tried them).
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| posted on September 12th, 2011 at 02:24 PM |
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Hi
The cable setup looks the goods but it could still be made using the lever like the ones found on most common setups instead of the wheels.
You would need to mount the cable bracket like this guy has done and have another sepearte cable pulling on one of the carbs.
Give it few weeks and Empi will be making shitty copy.
Steve
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| posted on September 12th, 2011 at 04:18 PM |
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our 70 bug come with these
maybe a empi copy allready 
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| posted on September 12th, 2011 at 08:03 PM |
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CSP centre pull linkage is awesome!!! I've had it on one of my bug's for a couple of years now, easy as to set up, great pedal feel and doesn't go
out of adjustment.
I've also got the Scat centre pull on another bug (cheap copy of CSP) and it was an absolute bitch to setup, I don't like the pedal feel, overall
it's crap but you get what you pay for.
My next setup will definitely be a cable setup, all the motorbikes I've owned have been cable and it works great and doesn't need adjusting.
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| posted on September 12th, 2011 at 09:14 PM |
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Is the Csp centre pull linkage the one with that bell crank that bolts to the top of the case and the rods out to each arm.
I thought about making pne of them as well as they looked good also.
Anyone have one for sale
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| posted on September 12th, 2011 at 09:15 PM |
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Ian
Do you have any idea what seatup that is. Thats exactly what i want.
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| posted on September 12th, 2011 at 09:26 PM |
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Here's a link to the CSP linkage: http://www.csp-shop.de/cgi-bin/cshop2/front/shop_main.cgi?func=det&wkid=1...
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| posted on September 12th, 2011 at 09:46 PM |
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Gracey
Do you need the return spring??
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| posted on September 12th, 2011 at 10:49 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Gracey
Do you need the return spring??
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Not sure if you need it, however I've got it on mine and the pedal is nice and soft with good feel, I really hate a heavy/stiff throttle!!
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| posted on September 13th, 2011 at 08:30 AM |
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Ian's is the LMS Aussie made version. Ring Stoker and ask the manufacturer.
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| posted on September 13th, 2011 at 06:08 PM |
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well my csp centre pull for porsche shroud arrived today. i spent 3 hrs and it still isnt finished. the system works nice, the instructions said to
remove shroud to fit crank bell linkage. well thats fine but the shroud wont fit over it,unless u take all the bolts out, cut the shroud and then its
a pain to bolt it back up. or u could cut a big chunck out of the shroud, it fit easily but u have a hole about 50mm by 75mm for the air to escape.
the instructions dont tell u that. but they do say its simply the finest linkage out there .oh csp are the best?????????????????????
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| posted on September 13th, 2011 at 07:04 PM |
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15 years young........
standard cable, adjustable stops on each side to preserve cable and throttle shafts, choice of spring rate for pedal feel, even opening of duals from
idle to full throttle......adjust and forget
GENE BERG
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| posted on September 13th, 2011 at 07:15 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by grogy
well my csp centre pull for porsche shroud arrived today. i spent 3 hrs and it still isnt
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--------- but they do say its simply the finest linkage out there .oh csp are the best?????????????????????
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Mmmmmm as I expected.
I've just ordered my next Berg.
People say IDA's are hard to tune too......
Oh....and that they're no good for the street........
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| posted on September 13th, 2011 at 09:26 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by grogy
well my csp centre pull for porsche shroud arrived today. i spent 3 hrs and it still isnt finished. the system works nice, the instructions said to
remove shroud to fit crank bell linkage. well thats fine but the shroud wont fit over it,unless u take all the bolts out, cut the shroud and then its
a pain to bolt it back up. or u could cut a big chunck out of the shroud, it fit easily but u have a hole about 50mm by 75mm for the air to escape.
the instructions dont tell u that. but they do say its simply the finest linkage out there .oh csp are the best?????????????????????
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What sort of Porsche shroud do you have??
I'm guessing it's designed to work with their Porsche shroud.
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| posted on September 14th, 2011 at 08:13 PM |
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Matt
I tried Allan at Stokers vw, he had no idea what i was talking about. He stated that the only linkage he would ever put on a car would be a centre
pull
Hellbugged
That gene berg linkage is a mile ahead of the other copies and clones hey, the way the cross shaft is supported in the middle and the way the two
levers are allow for correct cable alignment. Pretty good.
Well i ordered a Csp bellcrank system from csp yesterday, it was posted same day, then i get an email which said.
Please keep in contact with us after you have recieved and install the linkage. We like to help or customers not just sell parts.
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| posted on September 14th, 2011 at 08:25 PM |
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Hey Clinker, here's my post mate. LMS ENGINEERING in SYDNEY. Dave Stoker was the manufacturer of those push/pull cable linkages.I've used/fitted
them in the 90's.
I still prefer Berg
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I tried a few cable setups like the one on Samba. His thread reads well, and they look great, his you tube vid show's how easy they are to adjust etc
etc.
The Aussie version was made by LMS Engineering in good ol Campbelltown. Stoker is on here occasionally, he may still knock you up some wheels.
I would still go with Berg for your application (altho open to CSP as I haven't tried them).
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| posted on September 15th, 2011 at 04:02 PM |
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my csp is the type for porsche shroud, as u said gracey must be their porsche shroud definately not mine
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| posted on November 12th, 2011 at 11:49 AM |
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OK - I have just finished installing a CSP Bellcrank linkage on my Dellortos
I got the return spring - but to be honest I reckon the Dells springs would do. Either that or I had some progressive carb springs that would have
fitted.
What ever - for $5.00 I got one.
The whole thing was like $150 delivered. It is worth that for an opinion
Easy enough to fit
Initial impressions is nice and smooth.
MUCH better than the CB hex bar set up I had
Anyway - I have had some small drives around the block.
About to go for a decent drive
See ya's when I get back
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| posted on November 12th, 2011 at 12:56 PM |
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Where'd you order it from Barry?
Wasn't Craig Torrens running one that operated from behind the fan shroud?
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| posted on November 12th, 2011 at 03:10 PM |
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Craig
I got it from Vee Dub Parts Unlimited
Just got back from cruising round and it is a HEAP better than the CB hex bar set up I had
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| posted on November 12th, 2011 at 08:34 PM |
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CSP is the way to go  .........good to hear you went that way Barry
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| posted on November 13th, 2011 at 08:31 AM |
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I fabricated my centre pull set up, extra tag is to attach the cruise control actuator.
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| posted on December 10th, 2011 at 07:39 PM |
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OK - its a month that I have had the CSP linkage and probably put a 1,000 kms on it and I have to say it's the ducks nuts
Havent tried a Berg - but for the money, doubt I would move away from the CSP
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