| [ Total Views: 840 | Total Replies: 10 | Thread Id: 95473 ] |
|
|
 tg007tim
Casual Dubber
Posts: 26
Threads: 12
Registered: February 10th, 2010
Member Is Offline
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
|
| posted on February 21st, 2012 at 02:51 PM |
|
|
Stock Beetle Tyre size
Can someone please confirm the stock tyre size for a 69 beetle.
The manual states 5.60-15 which equates to a 155/R15 however what is the side profile?
And did VW allow in its specs for a larger tyre size than this? Does anyone have any evidence of this?
|
|
|
AA003
A.k.a.: Phill
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1189
Threads: 39
Registered: October 27th, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Southern Highlands
Theme: UltimaBB Streamlined2
|
| posted on February 21st, 2012 at 03:39 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by tg007timCan someone please confirm the stock tyre size for a 69 beetle.
|
5.60x15 on a 4" rim
| Quote: | The manual states
5.60-15 which equates to a 155/R15 however what is the side profile?
|
80%
| Quote: | And did VW allow in
its specs for a larger tyre size than this? Does anyone have any evidence of this?
|
4.5" rims were standard from around 1972 probably with 5.90x15 tyres.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!
|
|
|
Joel
Scirocco Rare
Now containing 100% E-Wang
Posts: 9368
Threads: 211
Registered: February 14th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Northern Rivers NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Purple
Mood: Tact Level 0.00
|
| posted on February 21st, 2012 at 03:50 PM |
|
|
155s haven't been around for decades.
Most people run 165/80s as they are that bit wider but the same rolling diameter as stock 155s.
Trouble is even they now are classed as a classic tyres which permits bullshit prices.
The last time I replaced tyres on stock rims I fitted Federal Formoza 185/65s (nice modern tyre and cheap) but thats on the later 4.5" rims, people
do fit them on the earlier 4" rims but the walls balloon out abit.
|
|
|
TorxKiwi
A.k.a.: Dean Newell
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 231
Threads: 38
Registered: June 12th, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Torquay, Victoria
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: "It's not easy being green"
|
| posted on February 21st, 2012 at 04:40 PM |
|
|
I've got 4.5" stock rims and purchased 3 new tyres from Bob Jane last week.
Roadstone 165/80/R15 $99 each fitted and balanced. Seem okay.
"Ownership of a Beetle is not a destination it is a journey." |
|
|
 helbus
A.k.a.: Pete S
Super Administrator
Mad fabricator, paint and body
Posts: 7386
Threads: 312
Registered: September 1st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: In the garage chopping cars into bits
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: In the thinking chair
|
| posted on February 21st, 2012 at 05:35 PM |
|
|
At our work we fit thousands of 165/80/15 tyres every year. There are hundreds in stock. Austin Healey, MG, Triumph, Beetles, and the list goes on.
They are easy to get. Kumho Power Star, Nangkang CX, Hankook Centrum or even Nexens.
I got Kumho's fitted to our Beetle at work, and the retail price would have been $110 each.
|
|
|
aintgotitmusthaveit
A.k.a.: Nick
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 295
Threads: 75
Registered: June 14th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: XMBX Pro Green
|
| posted on February 21st, 2012 at 10:18 PM |
|
|
Guys Tim wants to go bigger than factory on his buggy
The engineer has stated he can only marginally increase the stock circumference per the ADR. I think he said 15mm!
As such we need to exactly establish "with evidence", what stock circumference was.
|
|
|
helbus
A.k.a.: Pete S
Super Administrator
Mad fabricator, paint and body
Posts: 7386
Threads: 312
Registered: September 1st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: In the garage chopping cars into bits
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: In the thinking chair
|
| posted on February 21st, 2012 at 10:57 PM |
|
|
That is easy. 645mm.
so he can go to 660mm!
|
|
|
AA003
A.k.a.: Phill
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1189
Threads: 39
Registered: October 27th, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Southern Highlands
Theme: UltimaBB Streamlined2
|
| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 04:47 AM |
|
|
I think that he would be limited by width for the 4" rim more than the height.
The standard tyre was 5.60 not 155. A 5.60 would be taller than a 155.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!
|
|
|
aintgotitmusthaveit
A.k.a.: Nick
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 295
Threads: 75
Registered: June 14th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: XMBX Pro Green
|
| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 07:53 AM |
|
|
Actually the acts don't refer to width. Theory refer to track. They don't let you change the track by more than x-mm. With track measured from the
centre of the contact pad. Do by getting rims with the right offset you can keep the track nearly unchanged and therefore meet the ADR requirement.
It's all about forces on suspension,
I assume the rewuirement aims at keeping the same radius of gyration (proportional to rolling diameter and spring mass) and centre of the contact pad.
They don't account for the sprung mass of the wheel!
|
|
|
aintgotitmusthaveit
A.k.a.: Nick
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 295
Threads: 75
Registered: June 14th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: XMBX Pro Green
|
| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 08:24 AM |
|
|
Actually got it a bit wrong before:
ADR states:
4.2.4 Overall Nominal Diameter
The overall diameter of any tyre fitted to a passenger car or passenger car derivative must not be more than 15mm larger or 26mm smaller than that of
any tyre designated by the vehicle manufacturer for that model.
Wheel Sizes and Axles
All rims fitted to a front axle or a rear axle must be of the same diameter, offset, width and mounting configuration (except for spare wheels used in
an emergency situation).
4.2.8 Maximum Passenger Car Tyre and Rim Width
Tyres fitted to passenger cars or passenger car derivatives must not be more than 30% wider than vehicle manufacturer’s widest optional tyre.
The rim width must not exceed the recommendations for the tyre fitted.
For example, if the original widest optional tyre is 185mm, the maximum tyre width is 1.3 times 185mm = 240.5mm, i.e. a 235mm wide tyre. The maximum
rim width for a 235mm tyre is 9 inches if the aspect ratio is 60 or below.
|
|
|
aintgotitmusthaveit
A.k.a.: Nick
Officially Full-On Dubber
Posts: 295
Threads: 75
Registered: June 14th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: XMBX Pro Green
|
| posted on February 22nd, 2012 at 08:35 AM |
|
|
Some more ADR extracts
4.2.9 Passenger Car Wheel Track
The wheel track of passenger cars (or derivatives) must not be increased by more than 25mm beyond the maximum specified by the vehicle manufacturer
for the particular model. This means that the rim offset must not be changed by more than 12.5mm.
|
|
|
