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 Grey 57
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| posted on August 23rd, 2003 at 06:03 AM |
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1937 Mercdes VW prototype ???
Quote from Samba advert
Own a piece of history! Buy this Mercedes 170H. This is the car that the VW prototype was modeled after. Long story short. When
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| posted on August 23rd, 2003 at 06:04 AM |
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From the back
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| posted on August 23rd, 2003 at 06:05 AM |
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More here......
merc vw prototype
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| posted on August 23rd, 2003 at 05:04 PM |
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Cited from the Tatra story in site of the week
http://www.aussieveedubbers.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=8947
'It is not difficult to spot the close resemblance between the Tatra T97 and the VW Beetle. For several years, ever since the 1933 Tatra V570
prototype, Ledwinka and Porsche regularly met each other to discuss their automotive work and designs. When the T97 was launched Porsche was working
on the KdF-Wagen, the later VW Beetle, for Hitler's promotion purposes. Hitler considered the T97 to be too similar to his KdF-Wagen which was to
be produced by the new Volkswagen factory, even though the T97 was listed at more than five and a half times the KdF-Wagen's target selling
price. In 1939 the T97, along with the T57, were ordered to be removed from the Tatra stand at the 1939 Berlin Autosalon, because of their close
resemblance to the KDF-Wagen. In the late 1930's it became clear VW had used several patents of the Tatra factory. Just before the war Tatra had
ten legal claims against VW for infringement of patents. Although Ferdinand Porsche was about to make a settlement with Tatra, he was stopped by
Hitler who said he would "solve his problem". Shortly after he invaded Czechoslovakia and gained control over Tatra, stopping the T97's
production.'
Then from the Samba story on the Merc
'Own a piece of history! Buy this Mercedes 170H. This is the car that the VW prototype was modeled after. Long story short. When Porsche was
unable to produce the bodies for the VW prototype the RDA, read Hitler, ordered Mercedes to build the bodies for him. Remarkably, the last rear engine
Mercedes and the prototype VWs look very similar.'
You can definitely see the resemblance of the beetle to both the Tatra T97 and the Merc 170H
There seems to be a definite Porsche connection showing here
Hey, fill us in on some more, history buffs:bounce:bounce |
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| posted on August 23rd, 2003 at 10:05 PM |
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Good ole Hitler, eh? :vader
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| posted on August 23rd, 2003 at 11:12 PM |
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i hate to say it, but ive never heard of it. it almost looks like a morris minor or more like a fiat topolino roughly cut up.
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| posted on August 23rd, 2003 at 11:48 PM |
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Hitler was a fine man not
The beetle was his only saving grace
Volkswagen's History of Forced Labour. Porsche gets his name in again
GMH and Ford factories in Europe also used forced labour along with other companies. Not nice times at all
http://mondediplo.com/1998/01/11volkswag
Thank GOODNESS for a certain Major Ivan Hirst :kiss
http://mondediplo.com/1998/01/11volkswag
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3104469.stm
Signed 6 June 2002 by Volkswagen and is a trend by multinational companies thank goodness
Volkswagen code of conduct
A code of conduct, entitled a Declaration on social rights and industrial relationships at Volkswagen was signed on 6 June 2002 in Bratislava,
Slovakia, by representatives of the management of the German multinational motor manufacturer Volkswagen, the International Metalworkers'
Federation (IMF) and the Volkswagen world works council
http://www.imfmetal.org/main/index.cfm?id=47&lid=2&olid=2&cid=7215 |
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| posted on August 24th, 2003 at 12:45 PM |
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That Mercedes 170 certainly looks like a prototype Beetle for sure...
thanks grey57 and Jenz for all the info...
cheers
Lee
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| posted on August 24th, 2003 at 01:26 PM |
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i cant help but notice the resemblance, maybe fiat was in on the design as well! these cars were also from the mid 30s:
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| posted on August 24th, 2003 at 01:27 PM |
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| posted on August 24th, 2003 at 01:28 PM |
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| posted on August 24th, 2003 at 01:29 PM |
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ultra rare smith version:
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| posted on August 24th, 2003 at 01:29 PM |
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and 4 seater:
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| posted on August 24th, 2003 at 03:10 PM |
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Now You can't say those pommie & italian cars look like a Beetle.....
they have a grill at the front... and a front engine....
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| posted on August 24th, 2003 at 04:08 PM |
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They are creations of the 1930s
If you look at a lot of cars of the 1930s you will notice they have many similarities.
I think the Fiat looks more like a 1934 Ford, than a beetle.
Cars reflect other cars all the time.
maybe its like compareing lasers to 323s,
Riley elfs to Minis,
Morris 1100s, MG 1100s,Vandenplas 1100s,
http://www.bmc1100.co.uk/makes.htm
http://www.bmc1100.co.uk/wcs/wcs.htm
But heres something to think about,
Why to UFO sightings involve spaceships that reflect the contempary style and current design trends of the time they are reported,??????
Has anyone else noticed that?
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| posted on August 24th, 2003 at 04:22 PM |
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I was just talking to a couple of mates about this yesterday whilst working on his 1967 Plymouth Fury 4 door pillarless.
It seem that the most diverse period of car styling was the 60's and 70's.
A lot of the old cars had bodies built by the same manufacturer. For example Holden used to make bodies in the early part of last century for GM
Chevrolet as well as Ford. The body would be the same on two different makes of car.
I hear people say "cars all look the same now" Back then the emblem on the radiator was about the only distinguishing feature on some
models.
This is one of the reasons I like custom cars so much. 
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I have a custom Clone
Its a funny catagory, many mods made but to make it look just like another car.
Luckily I have a Split Kombie to go nuts on, Although I wont do so much that I wreck it, but I think it will stand out in the crowd.
Cheers Tony
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| posted on August 24th, 2003 at 04:42 PM |
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Hear what your saying Helbus:thumb
Look what we have new on the roads now, a lot of look-a-likes:o
At least the NB and Mini are different. Lots of the mini appearing (saw 3 old bricks on a cruise yesterday with club stickers)
If it wasn't for their badges most of us wouldn't know the difference
At least the old cars have more character, style and personality, well VW's anyway:kiss |
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