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Type 3 IFFY SPARK PLUG!
Anyone who has delt with type 3 engines, how does one start off the thread on the top left spark plug. ive taken off the oil filter to gain more
access, it just seems it won't start the thread. my assumtion is that im not putting enough downforce onto the spark plug socket and extension, so it
cant start. the extensions im using are your general extensions for sockets, however the longer extension is hitting a metal bar on the left of the
spark plug. Plus, the left carby is so annoying to put my hand around.
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| posted on August 10th, 2013 at 10:18 AM |
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never worked on a Type 3 but cant you start off just holding the spark plug??
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| posted on August 10th, 2013 at 10:41 AM |
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my hand can't fit around the carby that far. thats why i gotta use the socket extension :S Its gunna suck if i gotta take it off..
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| posted on August 10th, 2013 at 10:44 AM |
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does your socket have the rubber bung at the top that "holds" the plug so as you can apply pressure??
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| posted on August 10th, 2013 at 11:20 AM |
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sounds like its threaded, heli coil or Time sert it!! Type 3 engine same as beetle (block, cylinders and heads).
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| posted on August 10th, 2013 at 11:23 AM |
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ah kk. im new to servicing type 3's, any tips? and yep. my socket has the rubber to hold the spark plug
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| posted on August 10th, 2013 at 11:27 AM |
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see if u can get a heli coil kit and re thread the sparkplug thread failing that remove the head and take it to someone who can install a time sert
(time sert better option)
if the thread is still in place the spark plug should just screw in and there would be no issue
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| posted on August 10th, 2013 at 12:07 PM |
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Use a short length of rubber hose! That how I did it, or drop the motor. No joke it was quicker to drop out when I had the webers.
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| posted on August 10th, 2013 at 01:38 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by DubEnthusiast
Anyone who has dealt with type 3 engines, how does one start off the thread on the top left spark plug. ive taken off the oil filter to gain more
access, it just seems it won't start the thread. my assumption is that i'm not putting enough down force onto the spark plug socket and extension,
so it cant start. the extensions i'm using are your general extensions for sockets, however the longer extension is hitting a metal bar on the left
of the spark plug. Plus, the left carby is so annoying to put my hand around.
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I use different spark plug tube spanners, all with the rubber insert.. some are from japanese cars and are different lengths.
but have heard people using a piece of rubber hose that fits over the spark plug body... as it holds the spark plug tight enough to screw it in.. and
is flexible... maybe 1/2 inch heater hose?? and if its cross threaded, the rubber hose will slip on the spark plug.. so, no damage..
make sure you have never seize or something on the threads of the spark plugs.. steel and alloy don't mix.. or even MOLY grease if You don't have
never seize..
the spark plugs usually screw in OK once You have the angle right... maybe yours isn't getting correct by the use of those angle pieces on the
socket... as they tend to move the angle as they go round...
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| posted on August 10th, 2013 at 06:14 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by DubEnthusiast
ah kk. im new to servicing type 3's, any tips? and yep. my socket has the rubber to hold the spark plug
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Hard to go past the old Type 3 specific tube socket. This one has served well fo 46 years!
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| posted on August 10th, 2013 at 10:59 PM |
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As mentioned to you already to try and give you a helping hand, there are a bucket load of Type 3 guys on http://volkaholics.net/
1963 Single Cab Ute: "El Concreto"
1962 Baja Beetle: "Peanut"
1968 Porsche 912 SWB: "Pip"
1972 Kombi Snail: "The Snail"
2012 Skoda Octavia Scout: "Scout"
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| posted on August 11th, 2013 at 06:06 PM |
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posted by 1500S
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posted by DubEnthusiast
ah kk. im new to servicing type 3's, any tips? and yep. my socket has the rubber to hold the spark plug
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Hard to go past the old Type 3 specific tube socket. This one has served well fo 46 years!
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Thats the tool we used in the trade,it was part of the original owners tool kit that came with the car.
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| posted on August 11th, 2013 at 07:14 PM |
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Good news, the thread looks intact, but the start of the thread on the head must of got a knock or something during spark plug removal, hence why the
stubborn bugger won't start!
I just made a little tapered tap out of the old spark plug to just tidy up the start of the head thread, then the new spark plug should screw in home
thats the plan anyways 
The young fellas doing his first ever full engine service, so its a steep learning curve  . Oil (high Zinc), tappets, points and timing next.
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| posted on August 11th, 2013 at 07:19 PM |
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good news Chris
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| posted on August 11th, 2013 at 07:50 PM |
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An unfortune update!
The reason the spark plug isn't starting, is that the threaded bore of the hole is way too big!! Hence why the spark plug just spins in place.
Nic had Andrew (the mechanical up the road) take a look and put a proper tap through, and his observations (when comparing a junk head i lended Nic)
are that it must have had a helicoil put in on it (previous repair), and somehow, either the helicoil has come out with the spark plug and fallen
somewhere, or got fed into the head on installation, and is floating in the combustion chamber.
Looking at mobile thread repair mobs for a timesert instead. Stupid helicoils!
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| posted on August 12th, 2013 at 06:25 AM |
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i unbolt carbs for plug change
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| posted on August 12th, 2013 at 09:01 AM |
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Hi
On Type 3s I always put the carbs on full throttle using the return spring to hold it there it gives you more room around plug area.
When I was in VW shop we used to fit Timeserts with the motor installed
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| posted on August 12th, 2013 at 08:00 PM |
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lol what exactly the problem?
I just change as is with everything left alone.
regular plug socket, short extension (75mm?) and ratchet. not much room but seems easier than other cars I have changed plugs.
the key is to crack it with the ratchet then use just the socket and extension like a screw driver, then reverse procedure to install new ones.
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| posted on August 12th, 2013 at 09:51 PM |
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All fixed
Nic is over the moon now, happy as larry . He organised a mobile
thread repair man to come over. The fella used a camera to ensure no debris was remaining in the combustion chamber, then had it back to schmick
condition in 15 mins with the engine and head insitu. The rest of the engine looks great otherwise. We'll assemble it back together on Wed morning
(Ekka show day off work), so he can kick it over and heat up the engine for his oil change and oil strainer clean up. Will make sure he's aware about
the gentle torque application on those oil strainer castle nuts .
Just bad luck, but no problems now. The rest of the engine looks great. No crazy oil leaks like my bloody baja, Barry's a good unit.
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