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 L7back
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| posted on October 16th, 2013 at 04:08 PM |
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Which brakes?
This question is for people that have fitted higher powered engines (1916cc and higher) to early model Beetles, pre 1967. What disc brake conversion
kits are available that are legal? Cost is not an issue.
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| posted on October 16th, 2013 at 09:41 PM |
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Csp do a nice and pricey kit front and rear with interchangeable pcd plates
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| posted on October 17th, 2013 at 04:55 AM |
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But they are still not legal out of the box. will still come down to the discretion of the engineer.
This question comes up every month. either spend time and money with an engineer or run the gauntlet. but there are no bolt on legal ( with paperwork)
brakes
Quit calling rust patina
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| posted on October 17th, 2013 at 05:00 AM |
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VVDS has a set up that's legal here in aussie
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nils
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| posted on October 17th, 2013 at 05:07 AM |
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That I did not know
would have bought some
bummer
Quit calling rust patina
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| posted on October 17th, 2013 at 09:03 AM |
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With all the brake kits available you would think that the resellers would sell them complied so the customer does not have to get them engineered, my
engineer told me he has tested kits that have less braking force that the standard brakes and there fore will not pass them, other engineers pass empi
brakes that use a caliper bracket made from a piece of bake bean tin, when i made my set up for my early car one of the design criteria was that the
caliper bracket was made from 12MM plate,
Just ask any reseller you are concidering purchasing the brakes from to point you in the direction of a engineer that they use , then see if you can
legally have them complied, it is always a good idea to use as much propority parts as possible, if you use the standard caliper and four stud rotor
all you have to engineer is the caliper bracket and then have them tested.
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| posted on October 17th, 2013 at 03:23 PM |
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Please excuse my ignorance but who is VVFS ? I was looking at these, which I would have to get engineered,
http://www.airkewld.com/category-s/1831.htm?searching=Y&sort=13&cat=1...
from the US but I thought there may be a similar kit available locally. Maybe a Porsche kit?
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| posted on October 17th, 2013 at 04:12 PM |
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Birchall was having senior moment, he meant Vintage Vee Dub Supplies in Campsie
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| posted on October 17th, 2013 at 04:26 PM |
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btw that airkewld kit uses Willwood callipers, I don't think they would be legal for road use in Australia, as I understand it the callipers must be
OEM.
I was even told not to use a Willwood calliper as a handbrake calliper on a previous car by an RTA engineer.
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| posted on October 17th, 2013 at 04:37 PM |
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If money is no object may I suggest 356 drums, they are not discs but they would be a lot better than stock and bolt straight on and correct me if I
am wrong, I would imagine they might not need engineering? Dont quote me on that.
As I dont know your states regs.
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| posted on October 18th, 2013 at 08:57 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by vwo60
With all the brake kits available you would think that the resellers would sell them complied so the customer does not have to get them engineered, my
engineer told me he has tested kits that have less braking force that the standard brakes and there fore will not pass them, other engineers pass empi
brakes that use a caliper bracket made from a piece of bake bean tin, when i made my set up for my early car one of the design criteria was that the
caliper bracket was made from 12MM plate,
Just ask any reseller you are concidering purchasing the brakes from to point you in the direction of a engineer that they use , then see if you can
legally have them complied, it is always a good idea to use as much propority parts as possible, if you use the standard caliper and four stud rotor
all you have to engineer is the caliper bracket and then have them tested.
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I think the 12mm plate is a good idea, but I note that a lot of OEM used bake bean can brackets as well, mostly on the rear. Most I have seen are
around 4-6mm thick, pressed steel bracket.
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| posted on October 18th, 2013 at 11:16 AM |
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Try get hold of glen Torrens"vwcool"he does approved barks kits
Fabo
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| posted on October 18th, 2013 at 12:25 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by cnfabo
Try get hold of glen Torrens"vwcool"he does approved barks kits
Fabo
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yes they are probably one of the best if not the best.
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| posted on October 18th, 2013 at 03:15 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by L7back
This question is for people that have fitted higher powered engines (1916cc and higher) to early model Beetles, pre 1967. What disc brake conversion
kits are available that are legal? Cost is not an issue.
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What stud pattern do you want to use ?
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| posted on October 18th, 2013 at 05:05 PM |
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5 x 205mm link pin. On a 1959 Beetle.
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| posted on October 19th, 2013 at 06:53 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by L7back
5 x 205mm link pin. On a 1959 Beetle.
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I have a set of front disc brakes from VVDS for sale. Been used for 1000km. Selling for $600 plus shipping. These are 5x205 PCD.
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| posted on October 19th, 2013 at 02:50 PM |
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regarding the airkewld product, do some research on thesamba.com and shoptalkforums before you commit.
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| posted on October 19th, 2013 at 04:12 PM |
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I cannot work out why airkewld brake are so expensive, do not even have a vented rotor for that price, with a perforance brake set up you should
expect them to have vented rotors
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| posted on June 18th, 2014 at 06:52 AM |
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Would there be compatibility issues with local disc brake kits, like the ones suggested above (vwcool), when used with an Airkewld narrowed link pin
beam?
I am looking for a safe brake upgrade for an Airkewld link pin beam .. Wide 5.
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| posted on June 18th, 2014 at 07:35 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by hus22l
Would there be compatibility issues with local disc brake kits, like the ones suggested above (vwcool), when used with an Airkewld narrowed link pin
beam?
I am looking for a safe brake upgrade for an Airkewld link pin beam .. Wide 5.
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If by safe you mean legal ! Then you would have as many problems with getting your "narrowed beam" engineered!!
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| posted on June 18th, 2014 at 07:51 AM |
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No, by safe I mean stop better than stock, so when I put a high powered engine, (most likely unengineered too) the car will stop.
This is not the "illegal items thread". Maybe you could turn your focus there Governor.
Anyway, It also has drop spindles too which I forgot to mention.
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| posted on June 18th, 2014 at 08:06 AM |
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actually the op asked the question on which ones are legal out of the box so it actually is that thread.
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| posted on June 18th, 2014 at 09:03 AM |
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Ok, yes but the thread has moved on from there as that has been addressed. Should I start a new thread ? I'm just trying to keep related issues
together. Let me know Barls
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