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 kiwiev
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66 electric conversion
Hi everyone new here and a total newbie to bugs
a mate and I have just purchased a 66 deluxe Bug that seams rust free, the plan is to pull the 40Hp 1200 motor which is in good condition and replace
with a AC electric 77Hp motor and batteries for a 150Km range and 126 ft lb of torque at 1 rpm.
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| posted on June 14th, 2016 at 09:35 PM |
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Will be interested in how you do the conversion. Please share the whole thing on here. I found a place in the U.S. that sells the motor,an ally engine
adaptor,an electronic voltage unit and a sealed liquid cooling system with radiator and tank and pump to cool the unit. They want $7000 U.S. plus the
batteries. Their system is good for about 350 miles before needing a recharge.
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| posted on June 14th, 2016 at 11:18 PM |
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Welcome kiwiev.
I'm pretty sure a few people will be interested in your project, me included.
I have done a little bit of research on this myself, and the Beetles that have been converted already look very interesting.
Good luck, Rob.
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kiwiev
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| posted on June 15th, 2016 at 07:12 AM |
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Thanks Guys, Rob we have done a few conversions, and use some of the gear from the guy you refer too. I think the Bug will be a ripper 
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We are hoping to convert them for around $22K plus labour unfortunately after that there will be no more noise, no more smell and no more fuel bills,
but then there is more power $2 - $2.30 per 100Km to charge and start every time 
I will try to post everything on here.
Here is my Sonic 7 weights 840Kg 138Hp 1450 ft lb at the wheels and sub 0-100 Kph
Cheers Kiwi
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| posted on June 15th, 2016 at 08:14 AM |
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Interesting.
Please post plenty of pictures and details
Will be most certainly watching this project...
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| posted on June 15th, 2016 at 11:28 PM |
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Very interesting...
I would think a very difficult job in a beetle....
How much heavier than a normal standard beetle??
with Drum Brakes all round???
but then again, virtually all beetles in the USA had drum brakes....
wouldn't it be easier in a Golf etc???
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| posted on June 16th, 2016 at 05:19 PM |
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Hey Lee
The cool about AC motors is you can have variable regeneration braking, this is fully programble either foot off accelerator of a pressure transducer
in the brake circuit.
Motor and controller weight 60Kg and you can lighten the flywheel to 2.5Kg, batteries will weight 140 Kg.
What does a 1300 motor and full tank of gas weight?
Cheers Kiwi
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| posted on June 26th, 2016 at 09:29 AM |
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Well I'm getting the bug for these Bugs lol, I went and picked up another Bug I think a Superbug for my own project
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| posted on June 26th, 2016 at 09:31 AM |
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So I need advise???
I will put it up on the Hoist Passenger pan has the flintstone look, where can I get pans in Oz?
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| posted on June 26th, 2016 at 09:35 AM |
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It has the Carrera rear look UGLY but I'm handy with fibreglass and I think the Guards are wide so was thinking of cutting the tail light areas and
smoothing back to a round curved look.
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| posted on June 26th, 2016 at 09:37 AM |
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Oh yeah the plan is to insert 2 AC motors for nearly 250Hp and 250 Ft/Lb.
Can someone tell me if this interior is stock??
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| posted on June 26th, 2016 at 09:52 AM |
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Also, I know lots of questions but I know there are some great people on this forum.
I would really like to get the 66 look on the front I have googled and you can get wider 66 look fibreglass guards for the front from the USA just
wondering if there are any in Oz?
Thanks Guys in advance
Kiwi
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| posted on June 26th, 2016 at 01:30 PM |
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http://www.zelectricmotors.com/videos/
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| posted on June 26th, 2016 at 02:06 PM |
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In 2008 there was someone at Warwick with an Electric Beetle - someone here might know the car/builder. Would be a valuable contact in building your
car.
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1961 K Ghia - Porsche 5 sp, EJ20T, Brembo's, Dble A arm susp
1974 L Bug - Porsche 944 brakes, Boxster 16's
1974 Bay Camper - EJ20, twin radiators, Boxster 16x7's
Half Beetle trailer with Boxster 16x7's
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| posted on June 26th, 2016 at 02:34 PM |
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posted by kiwiev
The cool about AC motors is you can have variable regeneration braking, this is fully programable either foot off accelerator of a pressure transducer
in the brake circuit.
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Why not on a DC motor?
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!
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| posted on June 26th, 2016 at 02:39 PM |
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Thanks Karmann
Nice looking Bug and ideas
Cheers Kiwi
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| posted on June 26th, 2016 at 02:41 PM |
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The cool about AC motors is you can have variable regeneration braking, this is fully programable either foot off accelerator of a pressure transducer
in the brake circuit.
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Why not on a DC motor?
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I destroyed a Warp 9" once DC motors are good for a couple of minutes flat out then they have issues.
And the AC motors are shorter more reliable
Cheers Kiwi
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| posted on June 26th, 2016 at 02:42 PM |
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Yeah I know David he does an awesome conversion with EV West
Thanks
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| posted on June 26th, 2016 at 03:31 PM |
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Good day Kiwi-your door trims and seats are not VW.The door trims were recovered when the donor seats were trimmed.The blank panels each side of the
speedo are not standard VW either.The electic motor set up you are proposing is some serious horsepower.I wish to run a heater and air conditioner in
my next project-both those would be difficult with only electric power.John Sherman in QLD does a wider standard look guard in glass for your model.
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Good day Kiwi-your door trims and seats are not VW.The door trims were recovered when the donor seats were trimmed.The blank panels each side of the
speedo are not standard VW either.The electic motor set up you are proposing is some serious horsepower.I wish to run a heater and air conditioner in
my next project-both those would be difficult with only electric power.John Sherman in QLD does a wider standard look guard in glass for your model.
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Thanks mate do you have a contact for John Sherman?
Also is there anyone selling floor pans here local?
yes its some cool quiet horsepower but I have 220Kg of batteries to put in too.
Thanks heaps for your help
Cheers Kiwi
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here is a couple of pics of motors
Cheers Kiwi
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I destroyed a Warp 9" once DC motors are good for a couple of minutes flat out then they have issues.
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Don't tell the railways. They've been using DC motors for over a hundred years.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!
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Also is there anyone selling floor pans here local?
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Vintage VeeDub Supplies should have everything that you need.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!
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John Sherman contact
http://volksconversions.com.au/contact.html
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In 2008 there was someone at Warwick with an Electric Beetle - someone here might know the car/builder. Would be a valuable contact in building your
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Didnt Mike Kirsten at CBB build that car?
He use to have a section in his web site for electric cars but doesnt seem to be there any more
Futue te ipsum!!!
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I destroyed a Warp 9" once DC motors are good for a couple of minutes flat out then they have issues.
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Don't tell the railways. They've been using DC motors for over a hundred years.
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They are also used in diesel/ electric Haulers.I worked at a Coal Mine in a previous life on GM 150 ton Haulers.The motors were GM 16v 2 stroke
diesels with 1600 HP generators and two 750 HP DC wheel motors. They would be driven at full power loaded from the pit up to the dumps which was a 20
minute trip. They used Dynamic Braking which turned the wheel motors into generators and ran the energy into massive resistor banks with massive fans
to get rid of the heat. Dynamic Brakes could pull up a fully loaded Truck in a real short distance.The wheel motors were always subjected to flash
overs which used to cause the Sparkies at lot of grief.
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| posted on June 27th, 2016 at 09:24 PM |
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Quick update
Have placed order with EV west for a AC50 motor and controller chiller plate, water cooler motor adapter engine bay covers all for the 66 bug.
The super bug is going on the hoist tomorrow to see how terminal the rust is will update.
Whats everyone's thoughts on suspension?.
I would love to air bag the rear mainly because the two motors controllers and 23 batteries is over 250 kg. But what will it handle like?
The front will have 90kg of batteries.
I want a low look and handling , and I think I will order the aero guards all round if they aren't to pricy.
Thanks for all your input and help.
Kiwi
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posted by karmann141
In 2008 there was someone at Warwick with an Electric Beetle - someone here might know the car/builder. Would be a valuable contact in building your
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Didnt Mike Kirsten at CBB build that car?
He use to have a section in his web site for electric cars but doesnt seem to be there any more
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Barry the last time that I had some work done at Mike's shop he had a kombi there that he was converting to electric, but that was a few years ago
too.
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Kiwi- I have just ordered a pair of front guards through Brad at Westside- pm me and I will give you the fibreglass blokes phone number. Very well
priced.
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Kiwi- I have just ordered a pair of front guards through Brad at Westside- pm me and I will give you the fibreglass blokes phone number. Very well
priced.
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PM sent mate
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