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| posted on December 6th, 2003 at 11:05 AM |
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NARROWED FRONT BEAM QUESTIONS
hi there
any recommendations on how much to narrow a front beam on an oval. heard 3 inches is maximum u would want to go.
any experience with this, how does the car handle, turning circle etc?
just any comments on this subject would be great
thanks
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| posted on December 6th, 2003 at 04:52 PM |
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ask the yanks or poms they have been doing it for years
if u are gonna spend all teh money go as big as a can i recon !
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| posted on December 6th, 2003 at 05:32 PM |
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first question is WHY...
2nd Question you will have to chop away the front inner guards and if you go 3 inches you will probally have to attack the fuel tank area as well.
Its a lot of work.
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| posted on December 6th, 2003 at 07:10 PM |
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I narrowed a king and link front end by 30mm each side, it was dead straight, and done right, but it drove so bad I took it out and put a stock one
back in.
I don't know how people can drive these things that are narrowed so far that you need to cut the shock towers off :o
Looks value only, if you like that sort of thing.
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| posted on December 6th, 2003 at 10:19 PM |
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Can you expand on "drove so bad".
My `61 Ragtop had a narrowed beam fitted some time before I bought it, it is now running a stock beam (fitted by previous owner).
I`m thinking of fitting a narrowed beam to it again, it has already had inner guard/ tank area modifications to clearance the shock towers.
Like VWFOOL, just wondering exactly what sort of handling/ driveability problems I can expect.
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 04:43 AM |
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Hiya dudes,ide run and hide from anything that had (drove so bad) said about it,especially if a previous owner had been there done that,dont listen
too much to what they say on the other side of the Pacific,they only have straight roads,no flames intended,cheers. |
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 06:49 PM |
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i dont know about the narrowing of bugs. but i have just gotten my splitty back after getting mike from CBB to fit a narrowed front beam. it is the
best thing ive done, the bus is handling great. turns a treat and has allowed me to fit 17s on the front.
would recommend it to anybody....
and thanks mike:thumb
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| posted on December 7th, 2003 at 08:57 PM |
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My narrowed front end would dart all over the road, bump steer badly if you hit anything that resembled a bump in the road. Yes it had caster shims
too.
It doesn't affect a Kombi as both tie rods are nice and long, but on a beetle the RH tie rod is short even before you narrow the front end.
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 07:15 AM |
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twoguns
Do you have any pics of your beam in your bus?
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 10:46 AM |
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ive been speaking to mike about it, he said 3 inches b4 u would hav to do those modifications im pretty sure.
so no one recommedns this that has had it done to their beetles?
dave becker, was urs lowered at the time with adjusters? could this b the proble casuing the bumpsteer ect?
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 11:31 AM |
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theres heaps of things to consider
search the yank sites about previouse threads etc...
do your homework and get the most u can out of it
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 12:49 PM |
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There was a thread here a few weeks ago where some of the guys from thegermanfolks were explaining how it all worked
http://www.aussieveedubbers.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=14257
It obviously works for them, as there's pics on their website with some of their guys cruising down the freeway.
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 02:48 PM |
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DOnt be scared to narrow your beam. In reality, it should ride better than stock, as the torsions will be tighter. You can go 3 inches on a l/p beam
with custom shock towers. Im going 5 inches on a ball joint beam (with a little clearencing work on the inner wells) with adjusters and dropped
spindles.
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 07:08 PM |
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thanks that link to the post from 2 months ago had alot of good info
trayle sounds like he knows wat he's talking about...
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 07:53 PM |
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Go ahead and Narrow it Sam.... I have got a spare stock beam i i will be selling you in a few weeks time.
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 06:15 AM |
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There must be some tricks to getting a good ride out of narrowed beams. The German Folks have some of the coolest cars out, and with cars that good,
I don't think they would risk putting something dangerous on them.
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 08:42 AM |
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i will be organising pics of the ride soon and it will be up in members ride. :thumb
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 08:58 AM |
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I don't know why everyone who has a narrowed beam is saying they ride crap!!!
The beam in my 69 is narrowed 4 1/2 inches and it rides beautiful! Actually it's a lot better than some lowered cars I've been in that have
a standard beam.
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 10:11 AM |
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Dave, HAve you ever had a narrowed beam? HOw do you knock something you know nothing about...Im sick of this shit. Sam I say do it, BUt other say
dont. If you really want to do it, to the research, know what you need then do it. Good luck.
Ps I say dont baja bugs, cause your cutting up a car, but others say do it, Its a personal choice....
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 11:00 AM |
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posted by Unity-28
Ps I say dont baja bugs, cause your cutting up a car,
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Gee, you must really hate my car then 
I am probably going to have to narrow a beam for my baja, but only about 2 inches. This is cos the thing front end spindles seem to be 1inch wider
each side than my beetle ones. So I will need to narrow it to restore the beam width and make the tyres fit.
I agree shortening the already short tie-rod will be a bad thing, but the thing spindles will lay the tie rod flat which will be a lot better for bump
steer than what I have now.
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 11:41 AM |
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I dont h8 anyones car, But It aint my taste. ITs your car and You love it, and do what you want to do to it....Thats what its all about...It just
annoys me when ppl have no idea about something, then all of a sudden they are experts.
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 11:45 AM |
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stupid question time!
OK before the stupid question, the beam is the front suspension beam right?? the bit that the stubs bolt to and bolts to the chassis?
and now for the question... why would I want to narrow the beam?
just so my wheels sit in further and look better?
just a little confused as to why you would want a narrower track, unless you plan on fitting some deeply dished wheels. |
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 11:52 AM |
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N
just out of interest have you ever owned/ driven a bug/sedan with a narrowed beam??
Driven one fast???
Rota
i think it has more to do with looks more than anything else.
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 12:39 PM |
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cmon, im not trying to cause another fight
just asking wat ppls opinions r on this, preferably those with first hand experience.
dont worry dave, i'll be doing alot of research and talking to the experts before i do anything...
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 12:40 PM |
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own one thats being done. Never driven one. So I might turn around after its done and say it rides like crap, but at least I would have tried it. It
annoys me when someone hasnt done it and talks like they have. You narrow a beam, 1 for looks, 2 for you to be able to lower the car and not rub on
your guards, 3 so that you have the option of putting on bigger wheels. I really like the look, but at the same time I have no Choice, as I am
Airbagging the bug, and for that you need a narrowed beam.
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 12:43 PM |
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Also, Im not really interested in Driving Fast, BUt If I do, It will be fine, Cause Everything will be done properly. I have always said this, I will
have shocks, and Everything else thats on a stock beam, just narrower.
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 11:31 PM |
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the reason a narrowed beam affects your steering is that the Ackerman angles have changed.......
correct ackerman angles allow you to turn without scrubbing the inside tyre , and help self centering. |
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 08:24 AM |
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no-one said anything about the steering being or not being effected....
Im over it. IF you like it you like it if not, Good for you.
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 09:46 AM |
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hehehehee
this is like a frickin' episode of "question time"
who cares, u are going to do it N and you know u will be happy !
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 10:38 AM |
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N
how about putting a 1916 in there while you are at it?? :P
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