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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 05:17 PM |
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Narrowed beam Ride Video
for everyone that said a narrowed beam without shocks wont ride good, watch this. Quintin Daily's 50 split, 5 inch narrowed beam, dropped
spindles, and NO front shocks.
http://www.lowlifevw.com/frdata_split.html
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 07:11 PM |
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yeah great,
the road looks glass smooth, I'd to see it on some fine Aussie roads, crossing train lines taking speed humps, pot holes ect. and with no front
shocks I'd like to see an emergency stop from 50 mph, ever heard of wheel tramp?
wont ride good? WTF, must have a different idea about what constitutes a good ride.
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 07:20 PM |
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Nice car.. Awesome video. But how do I save it?
THE LOWEST WITH THE MOSTEST BLING BLING WINS!!
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| posted on December 8th, 2003 at 07:56 PM |
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Yeah great video, but the guy is driving along a dead flat straight road... you carnt really tell from outside the car !!!
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 09:42 AM |
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yeah they do all the crossing of train tracks etc.....
they have smooth roads but that doesnt mean they dont have trains, spead humps, gutters into dairy queen etc....
dont tell them what they have to do, ask them and talk to them and see what they do do.......!
cheers scott !!
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 05:23 PM |
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Once again, Skewy provides some good advice. Actually, that road isnt glass smooth. I drive it everyday. And Mind you, That a layed out car isnt made
for driving down Dirt roads and shit.
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 06:01 PM |
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funky music too!:P
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| posted on December 9th, 2003 at 11:36 PM |
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yeah true, not made for dirt tracks but i read about u guys crossing train tracks dragging your ass and all, angled up for speed humps and all the
other sh!t...
anyway, loving it !
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 08:42 AM |
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Hey All, Cars with Narrowed beams, YEs they have to drive slow over speed humps and train tracks ect. BUT YOU HAVE TO DO THE SAME IN ANY LOWERED
VEHICLE. WHO DRIVES THEIR LOWERED CAR AT A REGULAR SPEED OVER TRAIN TRACKS, ANSWER- NO-ONE.
Get over it people. It annoys me cause as soon as you try and do something different, BAM, Your hit with a baseball bat. People you also got to
remember, When putting in adjusters, do you not cut your beam and reweld? Whats the difference, other than you've taken a bit more out?
N! PS, Great Vid, Scott!
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 01:24 PM |
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don't ride good
yeah, so it don't ride good, thats the point,the vid is suposed to be proof that it does.
It may look cool to some but no matter how you look at it the ride is never going to be good.
Give me some suspension travel over lookin' cool any day.
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 01:40 PM |
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Who said it dont ride good? Jump in a ferrari, It drives GREAT, But cause its so low, you need to slow down at the train tracks.
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 01:44 PM |
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And about suspension travel, Ever heard of dropped spindles. These give you a drop in suspension, while still having travel.
You see thats your opinion, now I could start saying negative things about that, but what for... cause I dont like "Raised" cars, doent mean
I should talk bad about them. Others Like their cars going fast, without looking good. Again thats their decision...
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 posted on December 10th, 2003 at 02:09 PM |
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no shocks?
Hi all,
I've got nothing against lowered or raised cars, but running a car with no shocks?!!? Isn't that a little dangerous? Nothing to stop the
tyres acting like basketballs if you hit hole/undulations in the road!
I personally am experiencing this problem with my company car (no it's not a VW but the same principal applies). It only has one bad shock on
the front (the other was replaced when it was bent in an accident). As the shock has become worse the handling and traction of this vehicle has
become noticably worse. OK, so this car is a front wheel drive, but the braking on uneven surfaces is dramatically worse. On the positive side -
that shock is being replaced on its next service (next week) 
All that said, love the lowered look...
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 02:26 PM |
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Read this...
http://www.aussieveedubbers.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=14257
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 03:08 PM |
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Hmmm, point taken.
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 03:27 PM |
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yeah, we dont need to rehash what already happened. My point of posting this Vid was to show that the car does ride good.
Syncro, reguardless of how the road Looks, you can see the wheel moving up and down in the vid. And If you knew very much about lowered cars in
general, Even a nice road, will make a slammed car ride like shit, Because of the lack in suspension travel. My beater has a 5 inch narrowed beam with
dropped spindles and No shocks, and I actually have more travel than I need, If I stand on the front bumper, and jump on it a few times, I can get the
apron to hit the ground because of the amount of travel That I do have. Not that My apron would hit the ground while driving though, I would have to
jump it off of something to do that. And as for driving over railroad tracks and the like, You should slow down over those not because of suspensin
stuff, but because hitting some tracks at ANY height speed can ruin tie rods. And who the hell aims for potholes? I try to avoid them because they can
damage your tires, whelther Im driving my stock height Mazda protoge 5, or my layed out bug, I always try to avoid that type of stuff.
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 03:30 PM |
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i used to roll a lowered with adjusters only bug with shocks. that car road like a tank. i now have a 4 inch narrowed beam with adjusters, drop
spindles, and no shocks, the car rides like a caddilac. sure in the video the road does look like glass, but in actuality, it's not. sure there
are no pot holes, speed bumps, or train tracks, but in any other lowered vehicle that road would make the car bounce all over the place. have you
ever road in a sports car? given their suspentions are supposed to be stiff, but the question is would you slow down over train tracks and speed
bumps, or try to avoid a pot hole in the road. i've had to slam on the brakes in my car, and there wasn't wheel hop like you guys are
talking about, but with 135s in the front there was a little skidding going on.
driving a lowered car is definitley different than driving a stock car, and ofcourse the ride is not the same. you just have to pay more attention
to the surface of the road.
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 04:11 PM |
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Some people just don't understand....
Has anyone who has narrowed their beam actually said it was a stupid idea???
It seems to me that all the people being negative about it have never done it or even been in a car with one... so work that out...
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 04:48 PM |
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just read the above mentioned thread, woah! there's been some discussion to say the least. Sounds like its been well sorted, still not conviced
about the lack of shocks, but if your just going slow it wouldn't make much difference.
Driven plenty of sports cars and lowered cars, I grew up around historic racing and have even owned lowered VW's, lowered cars are a pain in
the arse around town the lower you go the worse it gets.
just to show I do know about lowered cars this was my daily driver in 1996
like I said in my first post,must have a different idea about what constitutes a good ride.
each to there own.
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 05:06 PM |
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I said they were not good, I narrowed a king and link front end 60mm, it still had shocks!, drove it to nambucca in '99. I put a lowered STD
width beam back in when I got back, much better.
It drove bad, wandered all over the road at 100 k's. alignment was good, it's just that short tie rod thing, the RH wheel moves in and out
much more as you hit bumps, it has too, it simple geometry.
Maybe rack and pinion steering could be fitted, it may steer better.
Each to there own, That is a cool video clip, I'd like to see it go through Buladela bends :o
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| posted on December 10th, 2003 at 08:44 PM |
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Thats a kool video and luv the music. Especially like that split. Nice :thumb
Dont have an opinion on the lowering job.
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| posted on December 12th, 2003 at 08:31 AM |
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Gents the sad news is no shocks is illegal regardless of how cool or orrible pending on your outlook it aint legal
personaly low and flatout is cool for me and at 84000 miles in 3 and a bit years some bounce is good
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| posted on December 12th, 2003 at 08:44 AM |
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Toybug, dont start on the legal side of things.....Its all been said. Botton line is it is also illegal, to drive around with yuor stereo blasting,
but it doesnt stop anyone...
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PS Its also illegal in the states, so dont be thinking they can get away with it...
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| posted on December 12th, 2003 at 01:34 PM |
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thanks for the kind words on the video...
cheers
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| posted on December 12th, 2003 at 01:47 PM |
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My pc at work won't let me see it, will have to find another pc over the weekend to check it out.
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| posted on December 12th, 2003 at 03:49 PM |
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Dave_ steering geometry is not a problem with our cars, We use a Quicksteer ( which is a sandrail part) to lengthen out pitman arm, which stops that
problem, and, as stated in the other thread, when narrowing your beam so far, the drivers side tie rod tends to just swing side to side when turning
the wheel, so lenghtining the pitman arm stops that problem.
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| posted on December 12th, 2003 at 04:52 PM |
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Dave this has been sorted out also. All you have to do is legthen the pitman arm to regain the proper geometry. And Empi makes a product to do this.
Its called a "Quick steer". This cuases the steering to be alittle tighter, but in the automotive world everything is give and take. Also
flipping the teirods from going into the spindles from the top and making them go into the spindles from the bottom get rid of "bump steer".
This is common knowledge to people who are "in the know" in the VW community. There have been many many article over the years on that
subject. And it is a common problem in all lowered cars not just cars with narrowed beams.
It is people like you who try something and give up that are stuck like a stick in the mug. Instead of saying "wow one wheel moves more than the
other", you know what I did???? I said "why does it do that"??? And when I answered that question I move to the next one. "How
can I fix that"... Then I fixed it because I am a "doer" not a "cant doer". I built a 4 inch narrowed beam for my friend,
aligned it, set the steering, and he goes straight down the 1/4 mile track ET of 11:90 full body car. It doesnt swerve, it doesnt wonder.. It goes
straigth.
I bet when you set your tierods you didnt set your steering box at the high point. That would cause the car to wonder. Why dont you take a course at
your local "higher learning center" in Automotive Supsension and learn things like SAI(steering axis inclination), Caster, And other
adjustable and non ajustable angles and then we can have an intelligent conversation about Automotive suspension. Other wise I have to dismiss your
comments as ignorance, not stupidity, but ignorance (IE lack of knowledge and/or understanding).
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| posted on December 22nd, 2003 at 08:58 PM |
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toybug has had his share of Mr Plod pull ups I guess....
He likes to ride low....... and fast.....and open....
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| posted on December 23rd, 2003 at 02:31 PM |
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adjusters are illegal over here right?
who on here rolls with adjusters ?
Bag loads of ya's !!
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| posted on December 23rd, 2003 at 03:43 PM |
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Im thinking theres many things we do that are illegal it all depends on the degree that you step over,on a scale of 1-10 ide put an adjuster which is
almost invisible to sgt.plod at 1 and no shocks at 6.But hey ima nice guy so do watcha want and hava nice day yall. |
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