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Rescuer or Robber???
Ok here's the deal. In Redland Bay here there has been a nice little early 60's pink and white bug that's been hooning around for a
while. Three weeks ago roughly I noticed it on the side of the road with three people standing around looking at it. Normally I'd stop and see if
they need any help even though I know bugger all, but I had to be at work. This was on a Sunday. On the Monday it was still there. Tuesday same.
Wednesday still there...odd. Thursday and Friday too. On the Saturday some vandals had taken out the 1/4 glass windows and by the Wednesday every
window had been smashed and there were dints in the roof. By this stage my Dad and I were convinced that it had been abandoned for what ever reason
and we planned (yes we did have a plan ) to go rescue it. Early Friday
morning at 5:00am we went out in the ute to save the bug only to find that someone had flogged what used to be a sports steering wheel. So we went
back home and took the one off the newest bug... 5:30am we finally started to tow it home with my Dad driving the bug and my Mum towing (by the way my
Dad had lots of practice being towed in a bug when we towed my baja all the way from Warwick home, the scariest part was going down Cunningham's
Gap!) we managed to get it home. We put a tarp over it and left a sign asking for any info on the owner and if they could call us as we went on
holidays down the coast for a week on the Saturday. Now I've got back today and there's no coppers yet but I have to start trying to find
out who owns it and give them an offer for it. It still is registered till april 2004 too.
So here's my question...were we rescuing the bug or were we stealing it? |
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 01:23 AM |
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Hey dude,mate your a robber,but yuv got a heart as big as Australia,so all the best in your quest. |
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 05:04 AM |
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great that you rescued the bug, but the police take a dim view where just picking things up are concerned. mate of mine went to court from taking
something from the dump, of all places, and taking it home and it turned out to be stolen. good luck in your quest though !!!
Drink and drive your a bloody idiot!!! make it home you'r a legend !!!!
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 06:08 AM |
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Good intentions is the mother of all fuck ups!
Yes it's theft, no less than the guys who took anything else off it.
If it's still registered, the RTA (or your state equivalent) should be able to tell you who owns it.
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 06:24 AM |
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did you call the cops before you liberated it from the side of the road...I'm not sure if they do it now but when you found
something/anything,cash,watches,cars,ect you could leave your contact details with them and after 3 months if no one claimed it ,it was yours.man I
found three watches in the surf (at different times) and a roll of $20 notes,to the sum of 400bucks,in the rocks at the surf.but then this was when I
was about 14,things might of changed.
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 08:01 AM |
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I don't think the cops would understand the emotion behind "But I had to save it"... probably would be a good idea to explain what you
have done and let them know that you have it. Privacy laws prevent owner's detail being given out to random members of the public and the police.
But you might find a sympathetic police person that might be able to help with a discreet enquiry... Or you could be areested for theft.
Pay your debts, CxxT
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 09:55 AM |
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Wah...a tough one.....
Legally you should have left it, and called the cops....now it's at your property...
Maybe should have rang them first...and asked them about your plan....
I suppose when you find a wallet, or such, you hand it in and leave your details...if not claimed it's yours....
It's so sad to think someone possibly stole it... and that the vanals got to it so quick...:jesus
It would have been hard seeing this happen to any nice car.....but especially a VW
Your heart was in the right place....
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 10:24 AM |
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Theres no argument about it - it is NOT theft.
To be theft there has to be the "intention to permanently deprive someone of goods or services" the fact that you took it with the intention
of finding the owner and are (Have?) contacted the police means you would not be charged.
Make sure you contact the cops though
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 10:25 AM |
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I would say goto your local police station in person. They're normally really cool when you talk to them face to face and realise you're not
just trying to take the system for a ride. Just explain to them the situation, that you tried to chase up the owners and is there anything you can do
to track them down.
Do you have any family friends who are police officers or lawyers? They'd be able to tell you and not jump on you straight away.
IMHO, you seemed to do the right thing. But who knows, maybe they were on their way to a holiday for a couple of weeks, it just died and they had no
choice but to keep going. But even then you'd think you would organise someone to leave a note on it, pick it up or the like.
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 10:27 AM |
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Quote:"Theres no argument about it - it is NOT theft.
To be theft there has to be the "intention to permanently deprive someone of goods or services" the fact that you took it with the intention
of finding the owner and are (Have?) contacted the police means you would not be charged.
Make sure you contact the cops though "
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Wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy Shit!!!!!
Currently you are posting on the internet that you have affectively stolen a car!!!!!!!
Allbeit for good intentions, but that meens shit!
Contact the police and explain yourself straight away.
Although not your fault you may be held liable for the missing and damaged parts on the vehicle.
Hmmm, Are we all now accessories after the fact to this crime??
Probably!!!!!!
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 10:51 AM |
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Quote:"To be theft there has to be the "intention to permanently deprive someone of goods or services" the fact that you took it with
the intention of finding the owner and are (Have?) contacted the police means you would not be charged"
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Wrong!!!!!!
See attached.
Makes no difference for what reason!!!
Otherwise criminals could and probably try, to claim it was for a good reason.
Reference Qld CRIMINAL CODE
Act No. 37 of 1995
†Division 2—Stealing and dishonest appropriation offences
†Subdivision 1—Stealing
˙What is “stealing”
155.(1) A person “steals” anyone’s property if the person—
(a) fraudulently takes the property or converts the property to the use
of the person or anyone else; and
(b) for the stealing, actually moves the property or otherwise actually
deals with the property by some physical act.
Contact the Police and explain yourself, Take your Dad with you!!!!!!!!!!
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 11:31 AM |
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Sorry daz but your wrong Criminal code ammendment bill 1999 check the 2nd para.
"Proposed Division 131 deals with theft. It increases the current maximum penalty from 7 years(70) to 10 years.(71) It extends an unrestricted
geographical jurisdiction to theft offences ('extended geographical jurisdiction - category D'.(72)
Theft is defined as the dishonest appropriation of property belonging to another person with the intention of permanently depriving that person of the
property.(73) A person appropriates property where s/he assumes any rights of ownership, possession or control of property without the consent of the
person to whom the property belongs.(74) S/he intends to permanently deprive another person of property where s/he intends to treat the property as
his or her own regardless of the other's rights.(75)
Special rules relate to appropriation and dishonesty. A person will not be considered to have appropriated property where the rights s/he assumed were
ostensibly transferred to him or her and s/he acted in good faith.(76) A person will not be considered to have acted dishonestly if, when s/he
appropriated the property, s/he believed that the owner could not be found by taking reasonable steps. But, if a person appropriates property, s/he
may be considered to have acted dishonestly even if s/he or someone else is willing to pay for it."
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 11:39 AM |
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I'd still head into the police station, just to make sure. They're one of the few places that can get into contact with the registered
owners.
Make sure you sign an affidavit about the car being there for a number of days and it being progressively ripped off, which is the motive behind
moving the car.
Offer to tow the car to the police car compound if they have one to show good faith.
Good luck!
Andrew
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 11:42 AM |
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Quote last section of your post:"But, if a person appropriates property, s/he may be considered to have acted dishonestly even if s/he or someone
else is willing to pay for it."
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 12:38 PM |
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you need to read the whole para not just one sentence, in this case rights have not yet been transferred to boozer so there is no appropriation of the
car.
the last sentence say that if you have appropriated property then being willing to now pay for it does not stop it being illegal. in a practice this
stops ppl with $100 in their pocket taking goods to the value of $100 and removing it from a shop then if they are caught saying "oh well
I'm happy to pay for the goods" and getting away with being prosecuted.
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:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o:o Whoa! This has turned into a very interesting discussion, very quickly. I've only just gotten back from a
weeks holiday down the coast and have been working and so I've only been able to begin to try to find the owners. We are going to visit our local
coppers to see what the deal is. The owner is a young woman and the car has been around in this area for a couple of years and is well known in the
area. We know approximately where the owner lives and we're going to start doorknocking to find out. While we were away we left info and contact
numbers on the car so if anyone knew about it they could tel us. My opinion about what happened to it was that it was a nice, solid, well
restored/done up stock beetle (well it used to be but you an still tell it was:cry) that the owner's parents bought her for her first car and she
has used it and it's been well used and worn and it just died on the side of the road one day and they've just decided to leave it, as its
not worth it to fix it rather than get another car. If you would've see it on the side of the road day after day for almost 2 weeks and see the
damage being done to it over time and then see it now you would almost cry.:cry I reckon if we left it till the weekend it would be a burnt out shell
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That's such a sad story.... :cry
If they've just left it after it died then they should be happy for you to keep it I'd reckon....Had they taken the number plates off it?
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 01:24 PM |
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Yippeee!! free gearbox You might get lucky when you find the owner and
end up with another VW !!!:bounce:bounce Keep trying:alien
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 06:52 PM |
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been there done that
About a year ago there was a car that i knew and the owner went away for a while. Anyway on go the council stickers and after a few weeks they come to
take it away. I just beat them witha towie and took it home. I rang rta etc to see what i had to do to register it. It was going to get removed by
council the day i "took" it.
Rego - no way. I had stolen it. Rang the police. Same story.
That is why i am fascinated about people who find cars in the middle of the desert.
I cant see how they get registered???
Either strip it and hide it or take it back
You will never register it or sell the motor
Futue te ipsum!!!
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 08:07 PM |
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Only if it has been reported as stolen.
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Experienced when a car and it's driver are in mutual harmony, A unique driving experience, Pleasure, Satisfaction,
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| posted on December 13th, 2003 at 09:37 PM |
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free beetle !
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| posted on December 14th, 2003 at 09:22 AM |
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Find the owner REAL QUICK give em $50 for a bill of sale,should be ok then,but hell what would i know.:P |
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| posted on December 14th, 2003 at 12:23 PM |
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while you and your dad did act under the best intentions (and saving a vw is the bestest intention) you are going to have to go to the cops, no matter
about it.
go in there with your dad, say that you think you know the girl who owns this car, found it abandoned and trashed on the side of the road and have
tried but cant get in contact with her, and would they please help. do offer to tow it to their car yard if they have one.
i hope all goes well with your search, and you may end up with a free new bug! |
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only if it was reported stolen
the rta would not register it if it was reported as stolen but if the owner just dumped it and thought ot was taken to the crusher you would be okay
,just ring the stolen credit check number and if its not on there you are laughing, i have had backpackers do this before with cars that have been
left behind by travellers , they just make there own receipt and away they went
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| posted on December 14th, 2003 at 05:02 PM |
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As david said just do the stolen credit check and work it out from there.
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| posted on December 14th, 2003 at 06:22 PM |
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hmm for possible legal reassons maybey this post should be deleted.......but then again it shows his honesty..
so i say keep it....
i also want to find out what happens :P
good luck finding the owner
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yeah were doing what Starbuggy and David said, cause we know know roughly where the girl lives and we're trying to get a hold of her and
that's what were gonna tell em, today or tomorrow. fingers crossed! |
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HAR HAR! We Have liftoff!:thumb
My Dad went and had a chat with the coppers about a day ago and it turns out that the bug was sitting by the side of the road for 2 weeks. By the 2nd
week the copper that was handling it was ringing the owners to get them to tow it or get rid of it. My Dad talked with him for a while and he said
that the bug was going along the road when it started to sputter slowly and they pulled off to the side of the road and it died (it doesn't sound
major:thumb). The copper gave Dad the adress of the owners and even
told us to get a towing fee off of them for towing it home (he was really helpful, one for the coppers!). We still haven't gotten ahold of the
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| posted on January 1st, 2004 at 05:59 PM |
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Yay team!
Andrew
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| posted on January 1st, 2004 at 06:07 PM |
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mmmm , I've seen a Porsche at the long term carpark at the airport, been there for about 2 weeks, maybe I should tow it home and try and find the
owner
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