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 low55
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 09:00 PM |
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irs conversion
i am about to start the resto on my pan its 55-56 there some were ive got all the bits to convert it to irs but i was thinking before i cut in to it
and stuff it up is there a jig to make shore the new mounts are in the rite spot and what about the later style box whats the go there its a single
side plate type any help on what not to do would be grate
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 09:11 PM |
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I don't know anyone who has done this, its common in the USA and they do have to make up a jig to weld the IRS into place... but I've never seen
one...
I think they just weld in the complete rear end, but still use a jig of some kind...
Maybe someone on this Forum knows how they do it...
All Beetles in the USA from 1969 had the IRS rear end....
So they only do it to fit into early model cars..
You would think they would just change over chassis, as there are plenty of IRS chassis over there...
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 11:34 PM |
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I can get you some weld in Trailing Arm Pivot Boxes so you can keep your pan @ $85. pair, but it a big job if the body is still on. A jig is the best
way but its not imperative!
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| posted on April 22nd, 2004 at 11:50 PM |
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I would not recommend converting an early pan to IRS. The casting on the rear shock towers is a lot lower than on a later model pan, this will hit the
IRS trailing arm as soon as you want to lower it, or the suspension is compressed.
Find yourself a 1500 pan to convert.
Also the handling benefits of going IRS will not be matched with a K/Link front end.
Sorry!
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| posted on April 23rd, 2004 at 12:14 AM |
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Yeh I'm with Craig by the time you do the work it easier to get a new pan.
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| posted on April 23rd, 2004 at 05:04 PM |
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I have done this conversion on my Oval.I used a link pin pan from a '64 and don't have any clearance problems with the shock towers,so maybe a bit
different to an original oval pan.I hired the jigs from VintageVDub and bought some pivot boxes as well.The boxes weren't of a suitable quality for
my liking so found a rear end from a Type 3 and cut those out-piece of piss to remove.Don't forget to keep the rear trans bracket bolted up to the
frame horns and to dimple the horns for the CV joints.You can use any Beetle/Type3 IRS box.I have used everything from the Type3 so have the thicker
torsion bars and double spring plates as well as the single side plate box.It's not a real difficult job-but if you don't have any welding
skills-think carefully B4 you start.
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| posted on April 23rd, 2004 at 07:46 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Craig Torrens
I would not recommend converting an early pan to IRS. The casting on the rear shock towers is a lot lower than on a later model pan, this will hit the
IRS trailing arm as soon as you want to lower it, or the suspension is compressed.
Find yourself a 1500 pan to convert.
Also the handling benefits of going IRS will not be matched with a K/Link front end.
Sorry!
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Yep. You don't need a jig. You need a later pan!
[Edited on 23-4-2004 by VWCOOL]
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| posted on April 23rd, 2004 at 11:37 PM |
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COOL THANKS GUYS FOR THE IN PUT I THINK ILL GO THE LATER PAN
WELDING IS NO PROBS IM A PANEL FORMER AND BEATER BUT BALL JOINT WOULD BE NICE MY FLOORS NEED WORK ANY WAY SO I MITE JUST SEE WHATS AROUND THANKS AGAIN
TRAVIS
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 10:09 PM |
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If you are gunna go later then go with a superbug pan and just weld on a BJ Frame head... walla job done and it is a much nicer conversion.
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 10:37 PM |
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so then you fit the link pin beam Brad ??
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 10:47 PM |
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??? link pin ??? why would you want that on a street bug ??
BJ and factory Disc's... better ride, less maintenance, cheaper, stronger tie rod ends ............
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| posted on April 24th, 2004 at 10:54 PM |
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No this is on my off roader pan , brad , seagull
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| posted on April 25th, 2004 at 09:13 PM |
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sounds neat with not to much work i now were to find a strut pan
thanks brad
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| posted on April 25th, 2004 at 10:08 PM |
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yep it is the way to go ..
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| posted on April 26th, 2004 at 06:32 PM |
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Cant you just get a BJ+IRS pan,i realise these are semi-auto pans,tell me i hafta now is it the cost or the rarity of these pans that preclude there
use,thanks guys.:o |
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| posted on April 27th, 2004 at 07:41 PM |
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i would say rarity you dont see many for sale and the ones i see are sold
very quick im going to go the chop on the super pan ther ferly cheap and comen to boot
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| posted on October 5th, 2004 at 12:27 AM |
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Is BJ really a better ride? What about an improvement is handling? The maintenance thing is well known, but quantative details on ride and handling
improvement are thin on the ground. I'd love to hear comments as I'm contemplating a BJ framehead conversion.
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| posted on October 5th, 2004 at 06:38 AM |
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If you are still interested in the IRS conversion, then it is covered in a tech article for a Manx Buggy in the Jan 2001 issue of VW Trends. Someone
posted a huge zipped file with all the tech articles on the forum here not long ago but I can't find it at the moment...Have a look or do a search.
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| posted on October 5th, 2004 at 06:51 AM |
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IRS change easy
All you have to do is a cut and shut on the pan stich it through the centre spot marks and throught the sill joins
2 halves is so easy to join the old front to new rear if still under car
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like the rest say even easyer to use later pan
mario
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| posted on October 5th, 2004 at 10:28 AM |
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here's the link to the tech article http://www.aussieveedubbers.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=27411#pid218601
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| posted on October 5th, 2004 at 01:11 PM |
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hey low55. I've been looking for a semi-auto pan for my '71 standard to convert to IRS (got a balljoint front end). I can get a super pan to get the
IRS from, but do you want to make some money and help me out with the conversion? :thumb
semi-auto pans are proving to be annoyingly illusive or too far away, so I'd be VERY interested if you could help me out.
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| posted on October 6th, 2004 at 05:59 AM |
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super pan
does this meen I dont take my pan to the scrap dealer just yet???????????
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| posted on October 6th, 2004 at 08:57 AM |
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hehehe not yet mate, I might be able to use it!
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| posted on October 19th, 2004 at 08:42 PM |
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yer ruckus i can do that im in the middle of makining a jig so it wont be a prob and not to dear or a trade if you want
travis
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| posted on October 19th, 2004 at 09:10 PM |
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with all this talk about welding front clips on & IRSing swinger pans, whats the legals on putting a ball joint head on a IRS pan and also slip
the small triangle of metal that carries the oval chassis # under the rear seat?? |
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| posted on October 19th, 2004 at 10:58 PM |
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| Quote: | slip the small
triangle of metal that carries the oval chassis # under the rear seat??
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ahhh... huh?
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| posted on October 19th, 2004 at 11:11 PM |
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so when its licenced again he'll have an oval body on an oval numbered pan but wuith ball joint front and the irs rear. |
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| posted on October 20th, 2004 at 11:30 AM |
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Aha! You mean a dodgy numbers swap?!
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| posted on October 20th, 2004 at 11:42 AM |
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yep. thats it. a dodgy numbers swap. |
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| posted on October 20th, 2004 at 08:32 PM |
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yer dodgy,s the word and in my eyes its legal he,he
in the end what i have done is i got a ball joint pan and fited the brakets to the rear torsion bar tube to take the irs trailing arms its
easyer
but that said im a panel beater and have done lots of chassi work over the years and know what engineers want to see im all so an A grade welder in
mig/tig and oxy so for me ther is no problem
and if they dont pick it up dont tell them
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