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 Dannyboy
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| posted on May 20th, 2004 at 12:07 PM |
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New engine , where do i start ?
He's my details......
Next year i want to do some drags again and my tidy 67 is slowly going towards the old Skool Cal i want. The rest of the car is planned for i.e
interior etc etc but i want a new motor to replace the 6v 1300.
I would prefer to keep my original motor and simply build another up . I can do basic stuff but i'm no engine builder so i need soem adivise on
engine's and engine builders in Sydney!
In keeping with the old skool / bracket racer idea the motor i'm after is a well built strong 1776 that will be running on 48ida's. Fuel economy
is no concern , it is not used alot in traffic and only for cruises and shows etc.
I'd rather pay the money and do it well as i want the motor to last a while whilst getting some abuse every now and then. This is where the questions
start.
What case to use? What mods to case for oil coolers / strenth etc?What crank? What heads and what size?,What
Cam?Etc Etc Etc
Finally what box mods would be best to do to match the engine?
I haven't got money to throw away and realise that the skies the limit when it comes to racing. Just want to have some fun with out too much
breaking ! I'm after a car that's abit of a sleeper , happily run out on cruises and will charge hard on the strip.
Where do i start?
Dan
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| posted on May 20th, 2004 at 12:26 PM |
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Danny
Start by reading and form an opinion of your own.
The reason i say this is there is WAY to many opinions out there and if you keep asking questions you will keep getting different answers.
You will get
type 4 it
turbo it
1916 it
stroke it
Read the articles here
http://www.aircooled.net/gnrlsite/resource/articles.htm
and here (have to go to tech articles)
http://cal-look.com/index2.html
then read all the posts relating to hi po building at
http://www.shoptalkforums.com/
There use to be a cook book site here
http://www.geocities.com/enginecookbook/menu.htm
but it seems to be down. I may have a printed copy some where
"What case to use? What mods to case for oil coolers / strenth etc?What crank? What heads and what size?,What
Cam?Etc Etc Etc "
At best you will get the answer " depends - its all in the combo "
Originally i thought that answer was a crook of shit. But after sereral years of hang with dudes and building a motor (several times) i know know
what they mean.
Personally i would suggest
1) Just building one. It WONT be the final one so just build one. That way you will know what to change NEXt time and what should happen when you do ,
and then build it again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and ......
2) Hand $5 to 10 grand to some one and get them to do it.
better still - buy that stroker Dave Becker was selling a few months ago for $6k. No way will you do better than that and it is bolt in ready to go.
TTFN
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| posted on May 20th, 2004 at 01:42 PM |
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For an excellent opinion.. ring Peter Richards...
a very knowledgeable fellow..
and builts great engines..
0265-650067
Lee
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| posted on May 20th, 2004 at 07:03 PM |
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engine stuff
my two cents get the new alluminium case built for performance and a good article on then in the new vw mag
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| posted on May 20th, 2004 at 07:49 PM |
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just phone Stan Pobjoy or Peter Richards and save yourself the headaches.
[Edited on 20-5-2004 by Craig Torrens]
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| posted on May 20th, 2004 at 08:33 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 68AutoBug
For an excellent opinion.. ring Peter Richards...
a very knowledgeable fellow..
and builts great engines..
0265-650067
Lee
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Craig Torrens
just phone Stan Pobjoy or Peter Richards and save yourself the headaches
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What they said
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| posted on May 20th, 2004 at 10:24 PM |
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engines
just ring stan pobjoy job done ____BUT____ a word of warning .. make absolutly certain you have a very comfortable chair and a loudspeaker phone
that way you can sit back and enjoy the conversation*************** |
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just ring stan pobjoy job done ____BUT____ a word of warning .. make absolutly certain you have a very comfortable chair and a loudspeaker phone
that way you can sit back and enjoy the conversation*************** |
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just ring stan pobjoy job done ____BUT____ a word of warning .. make absolutly certain you have a very comfortable chair and a loudspeaker phone
that way you can sit back and enjoy the conversation*************** |
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| posted on May 20th, 2004 at 10:36 PM |
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Oops
should have warned ya
Did ya learn heaps though??
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| posted on May 20th, 2004 at 11:11 PM |
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Conversation? I thought both people have to talk for it to be a conversation. Still a very nice bloke, and very helpful.
"Tell him 'We've already got one'"
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| posted on May 20th, 2004 at 11:17 PM |
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HEHEHEHE ......................what he said ^
just had my new buggy motor (complete) delivered from Coffs(stans)......$62 delivered to my door at Hornsby!!!
So don't let the distance be a negative factor.
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| posted on May 20th, 2004 at 11:50 PM |
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Mmmmmm looks like i'll be making some calls then and get an idea on costs for a nice strong turn key motor. Oh well , i can see where my tax return
going!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the advise
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| posted on May 21st, 2004 at 09:53 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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just ring stan pobjoy job done ____BUT____ a word of warning .. make absolutly certain you have a very comfortable chair and a loudspeaker phone
that way you can sit back and enjoy the conversation***************
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lol i rang stain once about vw's 2 and a bit hours and $27
on my phone bill later and i got off 
say you have to go and get him to ring you back lol
http://www.austech.info/forums
The best tech forum around
oh sgetty will you respect me in the morning
things could be worse you could live in kentucky
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| posted on May 22nd, 2004 at 08:59 PM |
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yep and yep
i bought a pobjoy and then a fax machine
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yep and yep
i bought a pobjoy and then a fax machine
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yep and yep
i bought a pobjoy and then a fax machine
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yep and yep
i bought a pobjoy and then a fax machine
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| posted on May 25th, 2004 at 12:37 AM |
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Get a personally built Pobjoy 1916. Hands down they're the best of the best, however you cut it. There's more than one kind of Pobjoy 1916, too.
let sleeping dubs lie
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| posted on May 25th, 2004 at 04:57 AM |
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Go the stroker Dave was selling it looked the goods and Daves times speak for themselves, so we all know it has been assembled well !!! here is the
thread not sure if its been sold though
http://www.aussieveedubbers.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=21486#pid167161
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To stroke or not!
Okay this is current thinking on a new motor. I have been listening to alot of people and reading up etc and came to this conclusion.
Bearing in mind i'm buying all new parts , i want it to last , run well etc it's money i only want to spend once. Now the cost of buying a new
decent case is not alot more if it's an alloy one , bored and clearanced.
A new stoker crank is not alot more than a standard c/w crank
Big valve heads aren't that much more.
So am i not better just saving abit longer and getting something that will have a few more cc's? Thinking about a 2110 , 044 heads etc
I want to start collecting bits soon and get things rolling
Thoughts
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| posted on June 6th, 2004 at 06:32 PM |
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yep IMO you would be much better of with the stroker, 78 is a good size, 90.5 bore if you want good result forget the 1916/ 94's, 82 is I think too
long........
PS I rang Peter Richards and his price was double what my 1.6 new engine ended up costing ????? is he 4 real ?
[Edited on 6-6-2004 by jakjones]
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| posted on June 6th, 2004 at 06:52 PM |
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Look i know this going to be expensive . I only want to do this once and buy the best i can without going stupid. I thinking a nicely built stroker
would be alot of fun. Thinking that the 1776 i originally wanted may be abit short of what i'm aiming at. I have to plan this and also start
collecting parts. Got an idea of what i'd like
Dan
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| Quote: | Originally
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PS I rang Peter Richards and his price was double what my 1.6 new engine ended up costing ????? is he 4 real ?
[Edited on 6-6-2004 by jakjones]
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OK Jak I'll bite.
1. who did your 1.6?
2. what warranty did ya get?
3. were you getting a quote for the same thing (comparing apples with apples)?
I guess until we hear Pete's side of the story we can't pass judgement!
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| posted on June 6th, 2004 at 10:15 PM |
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1 I assembled it my self
2 what warranty would he give ?
3 yes
back on topic,
carefull which crank brand u decide to buy.
gene berg forged is tryed and tested
[Edited on 6-6-2004 by jakjones]
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| posted on June 7th, 2004 at 12:33 AM |
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We have over 2000 members on this forum im thinking 5-10% could afford a berg crank,about $2250 before its in your swetty hands. |
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CB performance make good parts - I couldnt afford a berg crank - so I bought a CB one, and CB race rods. I did use berg barrells and pistons, only
because I got them cheap locally.
Mag cases are well proven - guys make 450 HP out of them and they live.
What ever you do dont skimp on heads, they are where its at as far as HP goes. Driveability is about heads and the overall combo. Get the heads ported
for your application - an off the shelf CNC job seems like a good idea (cheap), but you may end up dissapointed.
Heres an example - you may have seen the discussions around the new CNC wedgeport ?? 200 HP out of the box - flow numbers are only part of the picture
- port speed is very important - a small port with high flow Nos is what you want. The wedgeport head has 81ccs in it - a hand ported head with the
same flow nos came to 76ccs - and it beats it in the mid range lift Nos which are more important.
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Regarding stroker cranks, use forged such as Scat, DMS, Bugpack, there are many others.
If you can't build it yourself make sure you get it professionally done. That'll ensure you get it done once and once only. There have been some
very unhappy 'customers' over the years that paid top $ and never got what they paid for. Make sure you don't become another victim!
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I posted a similar thread on a US site and everyone's saying 2276! Think i have found something for a benchmark.
TECH SHEET :
- 2110cc 82 mm x 90.5 mm
- 5.4" CARRILLO RODS
- FK-10 CAMSHAFT
- VW 040 HEADS, 40 x 37.5
- 45 Dells or 48 IDA WEBERS , HOLLEY FUEL PUMP
- BOSCH 009 DISTRIBUTOR ; MSD IGNITION BOX ; MSD COIL
- PHOENIX 1 7/8" HEADER ; MAGNAFLOW MUFFLER
This the spec of one of my favouraite cars , it runs hard , etc and is still useable on the street. Thoughts?
Dan
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Dan, I went to the States In Nov/Dec 2003 before I brought my motor. When I was there I spoke to many racers (off road) in regards to VW engines as
there still one of the most popular motor used. Two engine builders people referred to as the best were Adam Wik and FAT performance. The engine size
we spoke about most was 2180 (82c & 92b). Although the motors are reliable only one had an engine that put out over 100hp. When you look at
engines for racing, horsepower goes hand in hand with reliability. So have a look at what goes on in racing here in Australia, (as in hill climb and
so on) and what horsepower we have before you buy your motor from the States. A Pobjoy 1916 is not so expensive when you look at one of these engines,
plus what support will you get from someone in the U.S. if things go bad.
Moose
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