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 last celtic warrior
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| posted on September 23rd, 2004 at 05:06 PM |
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DeLorean V6 into SWB buggy???
Well, the same motor used in the DeLorean, and the Volvo, and the Renault, and the Peugeot...
I have pretty much decided to put a 2.8 litre Volvo V6 into my Supa Sport short wheelbase buggy, just for sh!ts and giggles... The buggy is already
stripped down, cut apart, and receiving it's modifications including electrically adjustable suspension and digital aluminium dash... Now I'm
thinking more "oomph" too.
What do ya'll reckon? Am I nuts? Or am I thinking straight for once?
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| posted on September 23rd, 2004 at 05:46 PM |
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Bloody buggy drivers.....
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pete wood
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| posted on September 23rd, 2004 at 05:50 PM |
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are you allowed a motor that big?
personally, I'd go something turbo, the options for high hp mods are far better.
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| posted on September 23rd, 2004 at 09:54 PM |
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nuts
there are many better options you should look at (being a volvo mech from my apprenticeship days) my advice, keep looking
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| posted on September 23rd, 2004 at 10:00 PM |
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Parts prices...:alien:jesus:cry:repuke
Pay your debts, CxxT
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| posted on September 23rd, 2004 at 10:04 PM |
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power to dollar
just save up an drop in a porsche donk, no substitute
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last celtic warrior
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| posted on September 24th, 2004 at 08:47 AM |
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This is a buggy that is going to spend a lot of time in the sand and mud, as well as being a daily driver, that's why I'm thinkiing the reliable old
Volvo/Renault/Peugeot V6 would do the job nicely... The other thing is, I have a recently rebuilt V6 available to me for around $150, including all
the wiring etc...
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| posted on September 24th, 2004 at 08:58 AM |
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why not do it, this way you'll be different and when it works you can say "HA I TOLD YOU SO" and if it doesnt work....just sneak back into the
garage 
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| posted on September 24th, 2004 at 09:01 AM |
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Yeh hook in!!! After all buggy owning does meen wrecking as many different vehicals as possible to get what you want :P
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| posted on September 24th, 2004 at 09:07 AM |
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well look at buggy brad i think it is....i dunno its too early atm but he's got the mega manx ill bet a stack of people told him that it wasnt worth
it and that it couldnt/shouldnt be done. Look how sweet that turned out :cool
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| posted on September 24th, 2004 at 09:14 AM |
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One of the Eurekas in WA has a Volvo motor & I think the owner had some probs with the weight. His web site is here http://www.purvis.cjb.net/
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| posted on September 24th, 2004 at 09:26 AM |
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jenny has anyone told you how helpful you are ?
ive noticed that you knew a stack about the cooling issues and now this 
its great to have knowledge thats accessable like this it gives us all a
chance to seriously learn something new everyday 
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| posted on September 24th, 2004 at 10:15 AM |
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Well it would be a change from all the Subi conversions that are going on.....
65 Meyers Manx
68 Country Buggy (KO 367)
68 Country Buggy (KO 669)
68 Country Buggy (KO 789)
68 Country Buggy (KO 815)
68 Baja Bug
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| posted on September 24th, 2004 at 10:24 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by 11CAB
Well it would be a change from all the Subi conversions that are going on.....
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EXACTLY, do what you wish, it actually sounds like a cool conversion
cheers
wacked1
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don't worry it's a VW thing
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| posted on September 24th, 2004 at 10:27 AM |
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Thanks pyr0,
I'm just trying to learn, so I've been reading & surfing the net a lot. But like any info you get off the net - you need to confirm it with
someone who has some knowledge in that area.
I like the forums because you get a whole range of opinions from people who have different experiences.
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| posted on September 24th, 2004 at 10:46 AM |
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these motors are NOT reliable, as they suffer from severe corrosion problems same as the wasserboxer, but to the point that they get perforations in
the block! they go well enough but they are a troublesome basket case unless you find a good clean block, pair of heads and rebuild it yourself so
you know it's good.
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| posted on September 24th, 2004 at 02:48 PM |
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I'd agree, they are not that reliable.
You said you want it to be a daily driver, but an engine that big would be illegal.
There are heaps better engines out there than that one.
A friend is currently building a SWB buggy with a 2.5L KLZE V6 (same as mine) in a buggy. It is the limit of what you will get away with legally. And
a much much better V6 than the one you have mentioned.
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| posted on September 24th, 2004 at 05:36 PM |
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plenty of lightweight motor options. Mazda KL such as Wes used, SR20 including turbo variants, Honda V6, which is availbale in 2.0L and 2.5L (All
alloy, and rotyates the "correct" way apparently - honda 4 cyl motors go the other way), the obligatory subarus (*snrrk - Ptui!* ) and a number of others, all cheap compared to rebuilding a PRV V6. (FYI
PRV stands for Peugeot, Renault and Volvo, the 3 companies that joined up to create and design this motor).
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| posted on September 25th, 2004 at 04:50 PM |
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OK. Just to clarify here... I don't have a wizz bang super duper KLZE or Honda available to me for around $150, but I can get my hands on a 60,000 km
old proffesionally rebuilt PRV V6 for only $150. This is why I'm thinking of going with that donk, and I have a liking for them anyways...
The main reasons for upgrading at all are (a), I want more basic grunt in my buggy now, and (b), I have just bought a nice V6 sonata that is going to
eat my own buggy for breakfast. I can't stomach my buggy being below my Sonata on the automotive food chain.
The other thing is, the sedan I will be getting the motor out of also has the same auto box I have sitting here, so I can pair them up behind two
Kombi 2 litre motors for another project I'm going to start on shortly (that'll keep you all guessing, and the 2 motors and 2 trannies are for the
one project vehicle).
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| posted on September 25th, 2004 at 07:20 PM |
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so what will you do about the small issue of it being illegal?
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| posted on September 25th, 2004 at 07:40 PM |
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That's a minor technicality... There are so many different ways to skin a cat. Or Queensland transport...
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| posted on September 25th, 2004 at 07:54 PM |
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Anyone can illegally modify a car.
Doing it properly and legally is where the skill is. There'll be no point having insurance of any kind, and I hope you have a lot of money if you
accidentally hit someone else.
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| posted on September 25th, 2004 at 07:55 PM |
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world worst engine
have you noticed how second hand v6 volvos are worth about 1/2 the price of the same car with 4 cyl
delorean was heavily subsidised by irish government and still
went broke
peugot 604 had the world recall record apparently
how does $600 water pump sound or $1000 fuel distributer rebuild
makes a second hand subaru look nice hey?
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| posted on September 25th, 2004 at 08:42 PM |
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Is that really Wes? Or one of his friends that has the same half blind short sighted attitude.
I never suggested I'd do anything that wasn't above board. Playing by the rules does not mean giving up as soon as you find out the rules don't
allow strictly what you were contemplating, but rather means changing your tactics and making the modification fit into the other rules in play...
I'm putting application into Qld Transport this coming week concerning the 2.7 litre modification and we'll see what they say about approving it. I
mean, what's going to happen if they say "no"? It's not like I'm going to be charged and imprisoned for thinking out loud and asking their
permission. The "3 times the curb weight" equasion is so you don't need to bother them about such a trivial modification and makes use of the
"Authorised Engineer" sceme. If what you want to do doesn't fit into that approval process, you then need to contact Qld Transport and ask them.
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| posted on September 26th, 2004 at 02:07 PM |
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if you fit it anyway one of two thingw ill happen, it'll get defected until you return it to stock, or you'll get away with it right up until you
bump another car in traffic (or they bump you) and the assessor takes one look at the illegal mod and voids all of your insurance. This includes if
you nail a pedestrian. Your choice of course.
Besides the PRV being junk, you can't argue with the price, except you can get an SR20DE for under $300 which'd probably go just as well.
Dunno about QLD but in NSW an engineer wont approve the conversion unless it complies with the RTA guidelines.
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| posted on September 26th, 2004 at 05:04 PM |
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How about you knockers and "Mr Negatives" read what I've said in follow ups.
I WILL NOT BE MAKING ANY MODIFICATIONS WITHOUT APPROVAL UNDER BLUE PLATE SCEME OR OFFICIAL APPROVAL FROM QUEENSLAND TRANSPORT.
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| posted on September 26th, 2004 at 05:39 PM |
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That's fine, but what I think Wes and I are saying is that even under the blue plate scheme they won't let you fit a motor larger than their
arbitrary capacity/weight ratio. Let us know how you go, lots of others will be excited to hear if you succeed in changing their minds on this!
BTW, you asked about opinions on this project, don't take the answers the wrong way! :P
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| posted on September 26th, 2004 at 05:45 PM |
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mmmmmm
| Quote: | Originally
posted by The CAR VET
Is that really Wes? Or one of his friends that has the same half blind short sighted attitude.
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mmm interesting choice of words in respect to a guy who has actually built a capable offroad vehicle and had it fully complianced.... yep I would say
calling Wes short sighted is pretty stupid thing to say ..... I think the stuff he has "Actually" achieved is proof as to who is who in the vehicle
modification community ......... what have you built again ???? my memory is getting bad ........
As for his friends... well I think it is safe to say they are all big enough to have their own log ons and happily use them.
On the buggy front.... well I will happliy bet a carton of VB that it will never get off the ground... If it does though you can get it approved as an
ICV. As an ICV you can do anything you want as you are the manufacturer. Yeah there are a lot of rules you will need to meet but it is the only way to
go if you want to get radical at a legal level.
Give it a bash, it never hurts to try ......
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| posted on September 26th, 2004 at 06:34 PM |
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I think you just need to calm down and take the positive critisism that you asked for in the first place.
You can either comply with the weight multiplier rules, or you can build an ICV. Of course building an ICV means meeting current emissions rules,
which you won't do with a PRV V6.
But if you don't think we don't know what we're talking about then feel free to send an application to QT. As you said, it can't hurt.
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| posted on September 26th, 2004 at 08:49 PM |
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Yeah OK, you guys are right in a number of repects, especially that it never hurts to try. Us guys that are always trying to do the impossible are the
ones that force the Transport Department into making their rules, or changing them.
You are definately right that it won't pass under the blue plate system, as that is limited by the 3times rule. For vehicles that fall outside this
category, there is individual approval through direct application to the Transport Department.
I'm also building a dune buggy for my kids. It's a 2 cylinder Subaru Sherpa powered small rail type. I've discovered that it can possibly be
registered under yet another scheme for industrial and farming vehicles that don't meet the requirements for normal vehicles. All I need as far as
parts go now for this one are rims (12x6 and 12x8) and rear hubs. It will be kept on my parents property so the kids can have a blast.
Anyway, I'll see what Queensland Transport have to say this coming week... Rules are only there to make things more challenging...
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