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 byronbus
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| posted on August 19th, 2005 at 06:50 PM |
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WTB T4 Transporter
Short wheel base 2 Ltr TD, low ks...
How much and does any one know of any?
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| posted on August 19th, 2005 at 06:56 PM |
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Just a bit of advice.....Save your pennies for a 2.5tdi about 97 onwards or even a 2.5 petrol.
2 litres just arnt very nice. And dont buy one without powersteer if your looking at early ones, makes a shit car horrible. |
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| posted on August 19th, 2005 at 09:12 PM |
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Sorry 2.5tdi is what i meant, any idea of dollars, all the ones ive looked at are high millege
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| posted on August 19th, 2005 at 09:14 PM |
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Im logged in as jeremy, woops, just updating his user details...but he's looking for one as well
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| posted on August 20th, 2005 at 08:55 PM |
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Anybody, late model turbo diesel...
Or a mk 4 golf...low ks, 1.8...saw the one on here that just sold, something similar...
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| posted on August 21st, 2005 at 09:32 PM |
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Golf or transporter??? Anyone?
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| posted on August 23rd, 2005 at 05:31 PM |
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t4
Dont buy an auto t4 . Boxes crap themselves all the time and are $$ to fix
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| posted on August 24th, 2005 at 12:51 PM |
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Got a Golf IV 1.6, 64k.
or how about a T4 traytop?
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| posted on August 24th, 2005 at 01:22 PM |
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I dont mind if its auto, I know of at least 6 t4 autos that have over 200ks with no auto problems...and I know a good VW dealer mechanic
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| posted on August 24th, 2005 at 03:35 PM |
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Bruce, i am in the market for one at the mo too, i missed a cracker just yesterday, was a 2002, LWB, 2.4tdi, 44.500 clicks, $16000, kicking myself
now.
But there are plenty around, DONT go the 2.5 petrol though dude, @ 14 ltrs per 100 klms need to keep away also very underpowered, 86 kw i think where
as the 2.4tdi is around the 128 kw and does 8.5 ltrs per 100 klms, better, more power and cheaper to run, also bullet proof i reckon.
oh the synchros are around a bit too but scrubbs tyres and manual box's have issues $$$$ to repair, and at 11 ltrs per 100k's little heavy, so i am
going for the LWB, 2.4tdi 2 wheel drive when i find one sutable..
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| posted on August 24th, 2005 at 10:19 PM |
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T4 Auto boxes are good , seriously your kidding me right . I've seen a few make over 200k , most dont . Manual boxes shit themselves too but are
cheaper to repair . As for knowing someone who works at a dealer , so what , no dealer fixes the autos . None in Sydney anyway .
And as for the diesel being more powerfull , your getting confused between the t4 and t5 .
Early t4 diesel was 66kw (?) the tdi 2.5 was 75kw and the petrol was 85kw .
the t5 only has 2.0l 85kw and the v6 I think its 150kw ? also 1.9 tdi 96kw and 2.5 128kw
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| posted on August 24th, 2005 at 10:22 PM |
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diesel
Oh and if you think the diesels are bullet proof , ring a dealer and ask for a quote for a timing belt and diesel pump belt replacement with all
tensioners and rollers . Will make you think twice about a diesel . And these have to be done every 60k , leave it too long and it'll cost ya big
$$$$$
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| posted on August 25th, 2005 at 09:10 AM |
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so what is the 2.5 cyl like,besides fuel econemy,i would like one myself,5 seater or more,like to get out off my pajero and into a t4........
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| posted on August 25th, 2005 at 09:26 AM |
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A freind of mine is selling a 95 2.5 petrol, i think about 170k, canberra car all its life.... registered 5 seater with 18inch audi alloys....sweet
van!
About $8000
u2u me if anyones interested in his details!
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| posted on August 25th, 2005 at 10:14 AM |
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bug racer some of your facts are a little mixed up,why do the manual boxes poo themselves? only the cam belt requires changing at a recomended 60k the
pump belt does 120k..cost wise ????? cam belt replacement with tensioner can cost as little as $375.00...no need to scare people away from an
otherwise safe and durable van.TDI is by far the most desirable t4/5 to own cheers steve
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| posted on August 25th, 2005 at 10:15 AM |
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People, stop hijacking my post, Cheers for the info...but if you want something, then post your own thread...except for the dsk brotherhood
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| posted on August 25th, 2005 at 10:16 AM |
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Steve, msg me Briens number please...
And find me a t4 also please
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| posted on August 26th, 2005 at 12:02 AM |
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t4
My facts are mixed up ? I've worked at VW dealers virtually since the t4 came out . I'm over them , I've done more work on them then what you will
ever do . I've seen it all with these vans , yes they generally do high mileage before problems occur , but , it will happen . Maybe I'm over
reacting , but its better telling what happens with these vans from an educated perspective with years of experience .
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AN EDUCATED PERSPECTIVE??
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| posted on August 28th, 2005 at 11:53 AM |
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maybe it's a context thing. Given anything mechanical will at some point reach the end of useful life...the issue here seems to be how much it costs
to fix. and what costs people should be aware of in a T4 with say 60,000 100k, 200k etc.,
Right now I'm in a head spin about similar. Thinking T4 turbo diesel for the family, but at 30-40k, gonna get high ks, do then perhaps a T3 for 10k?
as the requirement is for a people mover with power steer, air that the wife will like driving. (got Splits and Bays, she hates em).
So then we're thinking, the evil Kia - not the one they are dumping now, but the Octoberish release of the new 3.8 V6 revamped on with new body and
more voyager like seat set up at., basically they fixed the crap ideas in MK1, like the dumb seat arrangement, crap motor etc., But it's still a Kia.
But then it will be sub 40k and 100,000 warrenty etc., Have to spend double that to get into a VW, when it will ultimately be asked to to a similar
job.
Preference would be a very good T3. But they are rare as Sambas....
Really would like to buy a water cooled VW, but this thread is scary......
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| posted on August 28th, 2005 at 02:49 PM |
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T3
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| posted on August 28th, 2005 at 02:51 PM |
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hey bug racer you got your facts wrong again "'i've done more work on them than what you will ever do'"....dangerous to assume i don't know my
facts, more importantly.....my association is based on fact ..experience which is second to none....thats why i asked you why the t4 manual box poo's
itself..ever opened one up? worked out why the failures occur?...crewcabconnection don't waste your time on a dangerous car for the family[kia]..t4
out strips the t3 in many significant ways....go a TDI because there is no turning back ...the major issue with the t4 range in australia is the
inexperience of mechanics who work on them with poor diagnoisis skills....have seen too many ill informed repairs and dishearted customers
particularly from the mainstream dealer network...cheers stephen muller
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| posted on August 28th, 2005 at 09:12 PM |
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Thanks Steve...guess its a T4 Turbo Diesel then......Shame VW aint got round to bringing in a Sharan - a friend in the UK has the VR6, and that's
what we really need. Like all VWs guess I'll end up spending more than I planned....
Still managed to 'fob' off the missus - 'there's a new Kia comming dear let's look at that'.....that will give me time to finish the splitter
and not divert funds into other things.
But the minister did take a ride to the park in the back of the microbus today....there's progress....but then really should get a T3, just to
complete the set ay....
Thanks for the advice Steve, know you've had the odd hour or two in T4s here and there....so thats enough for me. Mr Garlands said the same, and a
couple of his customers also raved about the turbo D, so I'll go with the people.....so I guess it's back to the old WTB - the point of the thread,
but good discussion ay...
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| posted on August 28th, 2005 at 10:45 PM |
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Anyone got a t4 2.5tdi????
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| posted on September 1st, 2005 at 10:38 PM |
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t4
Where do I start here .
When the t4 TDI first came out the timing belt interval was 120k . Then a heap of cambelts started snapping between 70 and 90k . VW changed both the
timing and pump belts to 60k with the tensioners being under warranty if they were noisey . They changed the diesel belt schedule to 120k last year ?
VW also say that the transmission is sealed for life . So do you rhddlxbd abide by this religously or do you check what VW Germany and even VW USA
states as the recommendation for changing / servicing various parts in the VW line up .
As for the boxes , I've pulled apart a 2.5 petrol box , but it was only in training so it was virtually new . I hear that pinion bearings are the
most common failure . As for the autos , I've rebuilt 1 and I've weighed up the cost and time and its not worth doing . The one I rebuilt was
completely destroyed , 185,000km builders van with a towbar . Clutchplates , clutchplate carriers , valvebody oil pump , the list goes on . Cost $6600
to rebuild $5500 in parts . I should have just gotten an exchange unit .
And as for me assuming you dont know the facts , well , there are heaps on internet mechanics that claim to know it all . I've come across a fair few
and gotten into heated arguments only to find they are a 16 year old kid asking people in another forum . I'm not saying your one of them , your name
states it all . I'm happy to let people know all the information I have learnt over my many years of experience in the VW industry , even if they
dont come to my workshop . Here is my main point though, I work virtually 7 days a week on VW's and I first started watercooled in 1996 . Since then
I've gone on to be invited to join a VW race team for the Nurburgring ring 24hour . I wasnt born into VW , I had to make my way from humble
beginnings . Next year will yield some new and exciting things for VW which I shall be a part of . Even if its behind the scenes .
Back to the t4 .
Diesel , most common problems are MAFS and Catalytic converters , although the new fuel from BP should fix this up . Gearboxes are great in the TDI ,
way better than the petrol . Only problem is the dual mass flywheel . Its a weak link , nothing to really worry about until you start doing high
mileage . Sludge ! You'll be cleaning out a lot of sludge from the intake and sump pretty often . Even at 30k its gets pretty choked up . If you do
buy one take it on a test drive . If its an auto (have $5k in the bank for a box rebuild) make sure it goes into top gear and doesnt hold gears for
too long . Drive it when its cold its usually a good indication on how far worn it is . Also make sure the brake light switch is ok . These fail
fairly often and cause the trans to play up during idle . The transmissions nuetralize when the vehicle is stopped and the brake is pressed . I've
heard there is a way to change the delay time of the engagement but I havent bothered to chase it up cause I've had no need . Also find yourself a
good late model watercooled mechanic that understands VAG-com . Once you have that you'll be sweet .
Good luck
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oh jeez....just gone off the idea again....swapping a full working, 'never worry about it Forester' for a TDi Caravelle just got scary. Maybe the
old Hyundai Tragic - 5 year 100kms Warranty is looking better all the time....
So basically what people are saying is.....
T3s are crap due to cost of engine/box rebuilds, and T4s are crap due to the same thing.....so anything after Bay is crap....so best off Subing the
Bay Micro. Punting 40k into a TDi may well be just as bad an idea as dumping 10k into a T3.
"It only everything was as reliable as a Volkswagen (less than 60,000kms)"
Looks like this thread will stay hot fer a while....
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| posted on September 1st, 2005 at 11:31 PM |
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t4
They arent crap . they are definately more reliable than the air cooled couterparts . T3's definately had engine problems , gearboxes as well but
boxes are cheap to rebuild . As for Hyundais etc , I could give you a list a mile long on what goes wrong with them and I havent worked on too many of
them . Remember I have worked on them for years and years and have seen a tdi with over 600000km on the original engine . They are a good strong van .
If you ever have an accident then thats the van you want to be in . I just point out the problems associated with them . And yes every car has
problems . T4's are probably the most problematic VW in the fleet , but , they endure more load carrying and abuse than the passenger equivelants and
generally do a lot more mileage .
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so 130,000ks on a T3 Auto with all the bits in good condition (1990) for about 10k would not be too bad a buy then....I just need more 'room' for
the wife to drive something with air and power - she won't drive the bay, and for the use it will get - to playgroup, local shops....think a TDi
Caravelle might be overkill at this point the circle of life, in a few years when we need to get out more with 3 kids, then a T5 Tdi would have the be
the choice.....just not yet.... As I lack the room, this option would mean the Bay Micro would have to go. As long as someone comes to buy it....no
rush.....
Worth getting an NRMA done on it?
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Two things, start a new thread if you dont want to offer me a T4...secondly, Crewcabconnection, give steve a call, his facts are true and trustworthy,
he's done the time and knows these things better than most...
Back to the issue...
Any 2,5tdi T4s out there...geez this reminds me of the old dave days
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| posted on September 4th, 2005 at 09:09 AM |
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posted by Bug_racer
And as for me assuming you dont know the facts , well , there are heaps on internet mechanics that claim to know it all . I've come across a fair few
and gotten into heated arguments only to find they are a 16 year old kid asking people in another forum . I'm not saying your one of them , your name
states it all . I'm happy to let people know all the information I have learnt over my many years of experience in the VW industry , even if they
dont come to my workshop . Here is my main point though, I work virtually 7 days a week on VW's and I first started watercooled in 1996 . Since then
I've gone on to be invited to join a VW race team for the Nurburgring ring 24hour . I wasnt born into VW , I had to make my way from humble
beginnings . Next year will yield some new and exciting things for VW which I shall be a part of . Even if its behind the scenes .
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Haha, born into it...watercooled in 96, haha
Anyway, back to my thread
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