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| posted on June 20th, 2006 at 09:12 PM |
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Supersprint or Hillclimb?
What's better?
I know what I like. I get more track time at one supersprint than a Hillclimber gets all year.
However in hillclimbs you do get a couple of things you don't get in a supersprint. If you enter the State series, as opposed to just the individual
events, you do get a patch for your racing suit and a sticker for your car.
Hillclimbs also provide variety. You get to race on a go-kart track, a look-out road, a race track, a small round-a-bout (Ringwood) and best of all a
black spot on a national highway.
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| posted on June 20th, 2006 at 10:01 PM |
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You might get more drive time at a sprint but I find the challenge of a hill climb the attraction. You have to be on the ball right from the start
and you know you have to get it right.
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| posted on June 20th, 2006 at 11:26 PM |
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Hillclimbs.
Hard to define why, but decided long ago after running many multi-starts & supersprints that they were my favorite. I didn't like being on the track
with much fatser cars & always having to get out of their way eg. at Philip Is or Calder. Preferrred Winton too - narrower & more corners.
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| posted on June 20th, 2006 at 11:30 PM |
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Although it's a long time since I did either, I've been a fan of hillclimbs for a long time. It's great motorsport because it costs less in fuel,
rubber and brakes than round-roundies, and you need to have well-sorted engine with grunt everywhere. Similarly, suspension - hillclimbs requires a
wider scope of development for a wider variety of conditions than on tracks, everything from ultra-slow to flat-out fast corners, with all sorts of
bitumen on 'real' roads
Plus, there's usually a more casual friendly and co-operative atmosphere at the events because you usually don't have to put up with wankers in HSVs
and Porsches. Etc.
[ Edited on 20-6-2006 by VWCOOL ]
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| posted on June 20th, 2006 at 11:46 PM |
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After nearly 40 years of following hillclimbs it is only in the past 18 months that I have actually been competing. The attraction is the challenge of
many curcuits, especially the Bathurst Esses, and the approachability of the other competitors. As far as value for money and time in the car, some
events offer a half to full days practice beforehand for little or no extra money. I have entered and competed in 18 events in the last 18 months (15
State rounds and 3 local club rounds) with the option to have done more, both locally and elsewhere in the state. So, there definitely is the
opportunity to use the car. I don't know how that compares with the number of supersprint events but perhaps next year we will find out.
As for the car, it still runs sweetly having actually done more than twice the events mentioned in the period of time as it is always double entered.
Thanks go to Stan for a strong engine.
[ Edited on 21-6-2006 by fastnuf ]
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| posted on June 21st, 2006 at 09:35 AM |
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Each to there own! Supersprints deffently...better value for time on track:thumb...Just more costly to run.Bathurst is still on my agenda for a
Hillclimb.:P
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| posted on June 21st, 2006 at 12:22 PM |
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I like them both, but as others have said the hillclimb crowd are a friendly buch (apart from that bloke King Torrens) that enjoy a beer after the
days racing...............Oh I understsnd now, it must be just the beer :beer
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| posted on June 23rd, 2006 at 03:21 PM |
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Hillclimbs are fun but I find a get a taste of the action and there's just not enough track time to satisfy my thirst (How poetic). They are
certainly more fun to watch. The VW drivers, especially Greg, are the most exciting to watch. It's also funny to watch some of the spectators faces
when they hear the VWs doing their burnouts. The noise they make certaily defies what the spectacle.
On the other foot supersprints are excellent because you spend so much time in the car you get to enjoy exploring the limits. You get to feel the car
up on it's tippy-toes. I like being able to pick racing lines so the wheels just kiss each ripple strip on the apex and the exit.
It's also fun chasing other cars especially if they have strengths in different parts of the track. Some of the Porsches are a classic. They blast
away down the straight then are quite surprised when you're back on their bumpers through the tight bits.
When you're not driving supersprints are a bit boring to watch. It's kind of like watching a formula vee at a hillclimb (Sorry formula vee guys).
CYA CT
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| posted on June 23rd, 2006 at 05:04 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by fullnoise
When you're not driving supersprints are a bit boring to watch. It's kind of like watching a formula vee at a hillclimb (Sorry formula vee guys).CYA
CT
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Well wtf WOULD YOU KNOW...................hehehehe just funnin M8
As a long time racer and F-Vee steering wheel attendant, I can only agree with you here. Watching Vees race is a bit like watching paint dry.
Goofy little things with all those silly looking 15" wheels hanging out in the breeze.
Nothing get me going more than the sound of a 40 horse dak dak boxer engine, welll........... dak-dakking! at all of 6000rpm (ho-hum) NOT!!!!!!
Worse still is this ridiculous penchant of the powers that be in charge F-Vee to specify tyres with ever increasing levels of grip.
It makes these already slow sounding and appearing racecars appear even slower. No movement under brakes, no howling tyres.............booooooring!
I say put the cars on a bone stock radial car tyre that will slide and move around and screech like all getout around corners and give the ILLUSION of
speed! Spectators will love it and i love the idea of the thing moving around and putting its tail out in the breeze!!!
Witness the effect on the spectators of a gaggle of HQ Holdens racing. Squrming and sliding around on road tyres.
Even at close to 10 seconds a lap slower than a Vee, the HQ's are just so appealing to watch dancing all over the place, bellowing old six-shooter
engines and howling tyres!!
Awesome stuff!
Ahhh, I feel better now!!!!!!
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Im not a complete idiot, quite a few parts are missing....
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| posted on June 23rd, 2006 at 10:39 PM |
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Neither, they are both boring.Although at least with a supersprint you have time to read a good book or the paper while going around the track.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2006 at 11:00 PM |
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supersprint or hillclimb
If you are looking value for money, pure excitment and scare $hit out of your self factor, then nothing beats rallying. Some rallies you pay a couple
hundred bucks entry fee to do over 100 competative kls. Ive craked some big speeds (183klms Buladelah, 190klms Clybucca) in some events on roads a
little wider then Greg Wards nuts put together. The down factor is the cost on the car and maintance after the event. I lov competing on the dirt.
To he honest. I really dont care what type of event Im completing in. As long as I get to drive flat out on the track (or at least faster then the tow
car getting to the event) then I'm happy.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2006 at 11:03 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by fullnoise
The VW drivers, especially Greg, are the most exciting to watch.
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I like watching Craig Torrens drive. Even when he is whipping my arse.
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| posted on June 23rd, 2006 at 11:11 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by bat69
| Quote: | Originally
posted by fullnoise
The VW drivers, especially Greg, are the most exciting to watch.
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I like watching Craig Torrens drive. Even when he is whipping my arse.
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I like watching Nathan Abbott drive. And I wish he was whipping my arse.:kiss
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| posted on June 23rd, 2006 at 11:14 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by fullnoise
I get more track time at one supersprint than a Hillclimber gets all year.
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I recon I might get just as much excitment in one hillclimb as I would get in a year of supersprints.....or a threesome for that matter (with two
chicks of course)............lol
Then again I think I would have more fun with a threesome.....
[ Edited on 23/6/2006 by bat69 ]
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by tassupervee
Witness the effect on the spectators of a gaggle of HQ Holdens racing. Squrming and sliding around on road tyres.
Even at close to 10 seconds a lap slower than a Vee, the HQ's are just so appealing to watch dancing all over the place, bellowing old six-shooter
engines and howling tyres!!
Awesome stuff!
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But with the exception of Peter Dane, none of them can drive, wouldnt matter what tyres were put on them. Is PD still driving them?
I've only ever done 3 sprints. Caltex chase twice and one at amaroo. Both awesome fun, the two best tracks in the country for different reasons(well
amaroo WAS good)
Despite being the organiser of hillclimbs, I couldnt care less either way, i'd drive them all if I had a car and money to do it. The only difference
in a sprint is that if you get out of shape someone might slam into your passsenger door... which is very nearly what happened to me at bathurst. But
in any case, near 200 clicks through caltex is bloody awesome and easily worth the risk of death. Gives me the shakes not through fear but massive
amounts of adrenalin. Better than any beer.
 
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| posted on July 4th, 2006 at 03:21 PM |
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Hill climbs. But youve gotta have twin carbies to make a difference in speed.
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| posted on July 4th, 2006 at 11:41 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Hill climbs. But youve gotta have twin carbies to make a difference in speed.
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And some.......
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| posted on July 10th, 2006 at 07:25 PM |
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Value for money
At the lastest state hillclimb I just did at Tamworth, two days of motorsport were offered for the entry fee of $100. For that my beetle did 19 laps
of the 1klm circuit on practice day (I could have done heaps more but I had to stop to eat lunch and take a pi$$ - dame I hate drinking coke) and 6
competitive laps on race day. Thats $4.00 a klm which I think is not bad value for money.
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| posted on July 10th, 2006 at 07:56 PM |
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Yup, Saturday ptactice was never ending!
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Speedster-WISD Nats 05 14.4s @ 89 MPH
Jet cruiser-Coogee 22-09-05 900 deg C @ 110,000 rpm
Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals....................Except the Weasel.
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| posted on July 10th, 2006 at 08:56 PM |
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This is getting boring
How about Eastern Creek Private Practice.
3.93 kilometers.
2 minutes per lap.
Half an hour sessions.
3 sessions = 176 kilometers
$125
$0.71 per kilometer.
Yawn. I'll never get the time I spent typing this post back. I think I'll go and clip my toenails.
CYA CT
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| posted on July 10th, 2006 at 09:22 PM |
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how about driving around in Sydney traffic?.................$0.00 per Km and far more exciting than any track..............I think I'll go back to
waxing my bum crack.
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| posted on July 11th, 2006 at 09:38 AM |
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Beware of hairy monsters in the bathroom.
How did you go in Tamworth?
Have you ever tried 30psi in the tyres?
Next year we should have a supersprint vs hillclimb competition where we all do 2 supersprints and 2 hillclimbs and see who has the lowest overall
time. Or something like that.
I'm sure I'd lose, unless there was a show & shine component, but it would be fun anyway.
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| posted on July 11th, 2006 at 12:42 PM |
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That's not a bad idea CT, how about a motorsport series for AVD members. 1 supersprint and 1 hillclimb and 1 motokana. Nominate each meeting that we
must attend and points score each of them.
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Speedster-WISD Nats 05 14.4s @ 89 MPH
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Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals....................Except the Weasel.
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| posted on July 11th, 2006 at 02:28 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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That's not a bad idea CT, how about a motorsport series for AVD members. 1 supersprint and 1 hillclimb and 1 motokana. Nominate each meeting that we
must attend and points score each of them.
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I second.. Thats an awesome idea. Maybe some drags in the mix too.
Wasnt the kafer cup series in Germany run very similar to this?
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Oh yeah forgot the drags thanks.
Spyder-WISD 07-09-05 11.6s @ 125 MPH
Speedster-WISD Nats 05 14.4s @ 89 MPH
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Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals....................Except the Weasel.
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| posted on July 11th, 2006 at 02:48 PM |
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We could run a tri-series.
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| posted on July 11th, 2006 at 06:11 PM |
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Some guidlines...........!????
1: VW based
2: Any engine/gearbox combo
3: Rego and unregoed
4: Is one meeting of each disipline enough?
5: Each state?
6: Each disipline will pick their venue and dates?
let's hear it.
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Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals....................Except the Weasel.
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| posted on July 11th, 2006 at 10:30 PM |
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Thoughts
Start a separate post.
List the competitors.
1. Craig Torrens
2. Peter Mcleod
3. CT Hansen
4. Jak Rizzo
5. Paul Locciano
6. Deiter Holzl
7. Nathan Abbott
8. Alex Holzl
9.
List the events
1. VW weekend at Warwick 1/8th mile drags 06
2. Fairburn Park Hillclimb 07
3. A Wakefield Park Supersprint 07
4. VW Nationals show judging points 07
5. Bathurst Hillclimb weekend 07
6. Oran Park (Before it disappears) GP Supersprint 07
7. Eastern Creek Motorkana
8. Calder Park for a potential Car Show segment
What are the handicap rules for capacity, turbos etc used in hillclimbs?
Should we add a dyno shootout and make power to weight ratio a factor? We don't want to over regulate because everyone take such a different approach
to what they build and what they use their cars for.
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