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 vwsteve
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| posted on May 2nd, 2008 at 12:53 PM |
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raised kombi spindles 72-79
Does anyone know if somebody is making raised spindles for a late bay yet, i have seen lowered spindles advertised on classic vee dub, be good if
someone made raised ones?
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| posted on May 2nd, 2008 at 04:33 PM |
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Just drop the Beam like the rest of us
Don't let body work get in the way of real suspension travel
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| posted on May 2nd, 2008 at 05:54 PM |
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I'm with rexy, I've dropped the beam but I want more! MORE I TELL YAH!!!
Blind chicken does A lifted spindle but that's only for the bugs and buggy's.
If someone ends up doing one for the bays put me down for a set!!!
Yeay baby! I'm excited!!!
Ooh! ooh! can we use the reduction hubs on the IRS too?
What a combo!
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| posted on May 2nd, 2008 at 07:49 PM |
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Been done with the reduction hubs for a long time now , you just have to invert your 091 box and build the rear arms but hey you have stil got to be
able to drive these babies on the road ya know , and they dont exactly handle all thet well at best , let alone 4" up more
And how would i know you ask , well we have one and our best upgrade has been the flat six Subaru power
Don't let body work get in the way of real suspension travel
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| posted on May 3rd, 2008 at 10:31 AM |
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Any Photos...? I'm not much for practicality. Not on the road anyway!
All I want is a 4x4 Lexus powered Bay with Dual Lockers and 35" of Rubber... Is that too much to ask? |
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| posted on May 3rd, 2008 at 11:56 AM |
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mmm
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posted by rexy
Does anyone know if somebody is making raised spindles for a late bay yet, i have seen lowered spindles advertised on classic vee dub, be good if
someone made raised ones?
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Nope and after talking to CB and a few manufacture places over here in the USA no one is going to.
They are all scared of the fact that when you go up people put bigger wheels on and then they will break. Have a look at the flex you get out of the
lowered ones.
The only legal option for lifting then in OZ is by dropping the beam by either boxing the chassis or welding on plates to the beam.
I am unsure why you would even want them on a Bus ? Dropping the beam is a much better option than raised spindles will ever be. I could go on about
steering geometry and BJ centre points but you get the point.
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| posted on May 6th, 2008 at 09:56 AM |
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So who sells the plates for the dropped beam already drilled out so i can just weld them on?Pity the guys in the usa arent making the spindles, surely
they can reinforce them with extra steel plates or something to make them stronger, are the original ones steel or cast?If they are steel i would
almost try myself:p
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| posted on May 13th, 2008 at 07:01 AM |
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Welding plates onto beams is as dodgy as it comes. for people who want a cheap and nasty way out. If you are going to do it then do it properly and
don't make it look bad for everyone else.
BTW my uncle's dual cab has 11r's under the front with clearance. Is that high enough for you???LOL
Andrew my uncles ute handles pretty damm good with the IRS redution set up. Not as good as my bus but considering how it is it ain't bad.(also
depends on how big your gonads are too)
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| posted on May 13th, 2008 at 07:25 AM |
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mmm
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posted by rexy
So who sells the plates for the dropped beam already drilled out so i can just weld them on?Pity the guys in the usa arent making the spindles, surely
they can reinforce them with extra steel plates or something to make them stronger, are the original ones steel or cast?If they are steel i would
almost try myself:p
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Custom Vee Dub do an exchange bare beam.
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| posted on May 13th, 2008 at 07:28 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by LIFE IN THE LOW LANE
Welding plates onto beams is as dodgy as it comes. for people who want a cheap and nasty way out. If you are going to do it then do it properly and
don't make it look bad for everyone else.
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Please explain what part of dodgy does this modification come under ?
I can't see anything dodgy about it and when done properly it is just as good if not better than boxing the chassis out and it allows for the bus to
be dropped back down, something the boxing of the chassis does not allow.
So I am keen to hear why it is dodgy.
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| posted on May 13th, 2008 at 06:28 PM |
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Sorry Brenndan, I'm with Brad,
The chassis mod does look good, but all that chassis
fabrication is a lot harder to undo, and I never found out why the lift plates were dodgy!?
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| posted on May 13th, 2008 at 07:22 PM |
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I have seen 2 Kombi's(1 dual cab and 1 bus) that had the boomerang plates welded to the front end come to my uncles when he used to do them with
issues. The plates had bent and kinda buckled from a guy hitting what he described as a minor creek crossing on Fraser at 50k's hr. Plates had bent,
broken 2 welds which cause the front end to sit at a funny angle. That was the dual cab. The bus had been out bush and the guy was on a downhill track
and slid into a hole at about 30km'hr in the mud. Hole he says(going on what the owners tell here) was about 400mm deep . Pulled the car up
dead(owner smacked the windscreen with head LOL) bent steering arms and flexed plates and snapped 2 front end bolts.(what grade bolts were used???
they weren't the VW ones)
I have seen both sides of the story as far as lifting Kombi's are concerned and have been involved in prolly the most extreme punishement on lifted
Kombi's(when my cousins and I were younger doing those big wheelstands etc etc) and not once have we ever had a front end even move or look like
breaking. Yes it is harder to remove the fab'd piece of chassis but honestly why would you go to that much trouble to get it lifted, cut guards etc
then change it back. Like doing a convertible then wanting to put the roof back on. The way my uncle did the lift on the front end was approved by DOT
as it did not involve "modifying" the front end as such in any way. they were happy with the way it was done from both an engineering side and also
a strength side.
One of them commented about a bus he did an inspection on with these plates welded to the front beam and how unsafe they deemed it. Now whether or not
you do it properly or not I don't know but Transport Dept tar everyone with the same brush no matter what. Welding a plate to the front end is
welding a plate to the front end. They deemed it unsafe but the chassis mod way was seen to be ok. I have seen how it could be unsafe first hand if
people who aren't really a qualified tradesperson attempts it in the back yard cause it's the easy way to go and cheap. Some people may do it
properly using plates but at the end of the day for every good lift how many dangerous ones are out there??
When you can buy plates ready made to do a DIY it becomes an issue of sorts. A lot of people think it's as easy as front end out weld plates on and
back in. So what about the modification needed to brake lines, drag link etc etc? This is where a lot people can come unstuck and the car then becomes
a danger. I have stuck my head under nearly every lifted bus at some stage or another and some of the sights are just scary to think people drive that
on the road.
My uncle no longer does lifts as he simply got too many people wanting to do cheap jobs or wanted a kit to do themsleves. He did a complete lift front
and rear with all the little things that needed modifying done to make the car safe. His motto is do it properly or don't do it at all and the case
with a lot of VW owners they don't want to spend a lot money and always want a cheap job done or simply patch it up make it look good.
I guess that's why he now builds race cars. People who want to spend money to go fast no matter what the cost is. Plus you don't get anywhere near
as dirty!!!!!
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| posted on May 13th, 2008 at 07:39 PM |
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Mate a lot of good points there. VR did a few of these as well, in the 90's with good results.
We can only gather that the importance is in doing a complete and proper job.
Building race cars sounds much better !
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| posted on May 13th, 2008 at 08:08 PM |
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As John says I don't get as dirty and most of his customers come to him and say "do this" not "how much can you do this for"??
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| posted on May 13th, 2008 at 08:53 PM |
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It's sorta like maturing with age !!!
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| posted on May 14th, 2008 at 12:41 AM |
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mmmm
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posted by LIFE IN THE LOW LANE
I have seen 2 Kombi's(1 dual cab and 1 bus) that had the boomerang plates welded to the front end come to my uncles when he used to do them with
issues. The plates had bent and kinda buckled from a guy hitting what he described as a minor creek crossing on Fraser at 50k's hr. Plates had bent,
broken 2 welds which cause the front end to sit at a funny angle. That was the dual cab. The bus had been out bush and the guy was on a downhill track
and slid into a hole at about 30km'hr in the mud. Hole he says(going on what the owners tell here) was about 400mm deep . Pulled the car up
dead(owner smacked the windscreen with head LOL) bent steering arms and flexed plates and snapped 2 front end bolts.(what grade bolts were used???
they weren't the VW ones)
I have seen both sides of the story as far as lifting Kombi's are concerned and have been involved in prolly the most extreme punishement on lifted
Kombi's(when my cousins and I were younger doing those big wheelstands etc etc) and not once have we ever had a front end even move or look like
breaking. Yes it is harder to remove the fab'd piece of chassis but honestly why would you go to that much trouble to get it lifted, cut guards etc
then change it back. Like doing a convertible then wanting to put the roof back on. The way my uncle did the lift on the front end was approved by DOT
as it did not involve "modifying" the front end as such in any way. they were happy with the way it was done from both an engineering side and also
a strength side.
One of them commented about a bus he did an inspection on with these plates welded to the front beam and how unsafe they deemed it. Now whether or not
you do it properly or not I don't know but Transport Dept tar everyone with the same brush no matter what. Welding a plate to the front end is
welding a plate to the front end. They deemed it unsafe but the chassis mod way was seen to be ok. I have seen how it could be unsafe first hand if
people who aren't really a qualified tradesperson attempts it in the back yard cause it's the easy way to go and cheap. Some people may do it
properly using plates but at the end of the day for every good lift how many dangerous ones are out there??
When you can buy plates ready made to do a DIY it becomes an issue of sorts. A lot of people think it's as easy as front end out weld plates on and
back in. So what about the modification needed to brake lines, drag link etc etc? This is where a lot people can come unstuck and the car then becomes
a danger. I have stuck my head under nearly every lifted bus at some stage or another and some of the sights are just scary to think people drive that
on the road.
My uncle no longer does lifts as he simply got too many people wanting to do cheap jobs or wanted a kit to do themsleves. He did a complete lift front
and rear with all the little things that needed modifying done to make the car safe. His motto is do it properly or don't do it at all and the case
with a lot of VW owners they don't want to spend a lot money and always want a cheap job done or simply patch it up make it look good.
I guess that's why he now builds race cars. People who want to spend money to go fast no matter what the cost is. Plus you don't get anywhere near
as dirty!!!!!
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mmm some interesting comments.
Now I must add here that youhave had a LOT MORE to do with lifted kombis then I could even dream about so I am not suggesting I know any better and
can only comment on my limited experience with them. I say this because your family are Lifted Kombie Legends and the work I have seen you uncle do is
awesome.
Firstly I would be very interested to hear about the DOT approving one of his chassis boxings. All the ones I have seen are over 2" and this are
illegal as per Bulletin 35 dated May 2000.
I have had the complete opposite discussion with DOT in relation to this modification and they were happy to approve the plated beam method as long as
it was less than 2 " as on a monocock car like a kombi spacing the beam from the body comes under the area with regards to lift kit.
I also have still can’t see any issues with any plated beams bending if done correctly. Obviously if you do a dodgy job it will not matter what you
have done it will be dodgy. I once owned a Dual Cab kombi that initially had a lift kit in it which was suppose to be done by a well known kombi
lifter (can not confirm 100% as I got the car with it) and it was dodgy. It was not straight and the front beam crabbed, it also had three bolts which
had never been fitted with crush tubes. So you could say it was dodgy as yet it was done with the chassis boxing method. I ended up cutting it off and
re-fabricating it in the same style. Then tried to get it approved and was told no way as it was almost 4” from factory specs. Does that make the
chassis boxing method dodgy ? No it makes that particular kombi dodgy.
I still don’t see how plates are going to bend any easier than a boxed front end if done correctly. Custom Vee Dub use 10mm profile cut plates which
allow 2 or 3” of lift and when you actually look at the design you can see the strength is still provided from the chassis. For them to bend as you
described they would have to bend the entire box section front part of the chassis exactly the same as what would have to bend if the chassis was
boxed. With the strength of the actual beam still tieing both chassis sections together I don’t see this happening.
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| posted on May 14th, 2008 at 07:03 AM |
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Like you said it's not so much the style but moreso the ease of using plates that unqualified people do themselves with the incorrect materials and
incorrect methods. Happens in all types of modifications as you would know.
FYI you had the blue dual cab(faded)??? i know who did the lift and it was someone who tried to copy the chassis section and from what i saw failed
miserably LOL
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It was faded orange with a blue door and then I painted it with pool paint.
From what I was told it was done by someone you should know but I have no real knowledge of that being the case.
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Let's just say the person in question hasn't attempted another that I am aware of. Oh and the previous owner turned out to be a total tool as well.
Part of the reason it wasn't good was because of him.
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if anyone is looking for a baja bus heres mine for sale and yes it was done properly by John truth is i wouldnt buy one that wasnt 
there have been some real shockers over the years
its just a car for f*%k sake
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