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 liam66
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| posted on July 23rd, 2008 at 01:57 PM |
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Shortened Sumps
Is there a shoterned subaru sump thats cast? i.e. not a standard one chopped and welded up that looks hack.
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| posted on July 23rd, 2008 at 02:01 PM |
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yes
Yes ratbug has a nice alloy one .
send him a pm .he may have pics??
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| posted on July 23rd, 2008 at 02:34 PM |
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Out of Germany, I have one, got it while in the UK  Though quite
pricey... quality seems good, but I have not tested.
http://www.bugat5speed.de/cms/content/view/30/53/lang,en/
Send him a email, speaks english. You can Babe Fish that web site to.
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| posted on July 23rd, 2008 at 02:56 PM |
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custom vee dub only have a modified stock one for $600 bucks!
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| posted on July 23rd, 2008 at 03:13 PM |
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boof2332 made me one for a lot less than that. send him a pm. He's in Sydney.
Better still I'll send you his mobile.
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| posted on July 23rd, 2008 at 05:35 PM |
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Here's by bug@5speed one.
Think that will do for pics... Last one is jacking the car up with the jack under the sump.
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| posted on July 23rd, 2008 at 05:40 PM |
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custom vee dub only have a modified stock one for $600 bucks!
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Yes other may be cheaper but we pressure test ours for leaks , can the back yard boys claim the same
Don't let body work get in the way of real suspension travel
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| posted on July 23rd, 2008 at 07:08 PM |
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custom vee dub only have a modified stock one for $600 bucks!
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Yes other may be cheaper but we pressure test ours for leaks , can the back yard boys claim the same
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Don't want to tread on anyone's toes here ( but I usually do) but thats pretty expensive for an exchange , modified stocker that looks pretty
ordinary.
I can let our aprentice knock one up (and no I wouldn't presure test it, just sack him if it leaks) or I could scratch build it myself ( our computer
has a lan connection to our laser cutter)... but a cast alloy job is what I'm after. This thing will be pretty showy and also cop a hard time later,
so Im chasing presentation.
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| posted on July 23rd, 2008 at 07:27 PM |
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What you also can't see , is that the aluminium ones don't have a windage tray fitted i believe (although i may be wrong on this ) which is a
nessasery component of any sum if it is to be used in a competition car or subjected to steep angles offroad .
As for the price of our item , i invite you to tell us how long it takes your apprentice to make one and then add in overheads etc and you will
quickley find out we are not making the big money everybody seems to think you make out of a VW based shop.
Don't let body work get in the way of real suspension travel
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I charge $100 an hour for fabrication (workshop costs eat about $50/hour)
Theres $50 worth of steel and laser cutting in that. Considering that design uses the original top 2/3rds, it's not rocket science.
There's not 5.5 hours of labour in the first one and certainly less in any after that.
We've just had a custom sump made for a commodore v6 in a rock buggy, baffled and windage tray fitted. all from scratch, ( i.e not a chopped off
original) extra heavy base, 5 day turnaround, $450 in bare metal. Guaranteed leak free.
But thats not the point, I 'm trying to avoid a modified original or a fabricated sheet metal one.
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| posted on July 23rd, 2008 at 08:20 PM |
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No worries buddy , if you do end up fabricating a sump from scratch as opposed to an Ally one i will be more than happy to inspect it and possibly buy
a few from you as it would save all of us the hassel of the exchange problem.
Keep us posted .
Thanks Andrew
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If you're after a cast one, get the bug@5speed one mail order from Germany. It takes a couple of weeks to get here via DHL and it's at your door.
The quality of the sump is 100% and yes it has baffles welded into it. If you think you need a windage tray (maybe you're planning on having the
thing at 45 degrees angle all day) then tig one into it.
For my money this cast one is 450000% better looking and finished than any chopped up and rewelded original one.
Reversed gears for Subaru transmissions.
Fit a Subaru 5 speed to your rear engined car
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| posted on July 24th, 2008 at 08:44 AM |
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Tell us how much it cost now. Coz I know it makes any of the other options look cheap. 
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| posted on July 24th, 2008 at 04:58 PM |
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yes it looks cool but there is no way i'll be running a big hp motor with a sump which has lost 30~40% of its capacity, there has to be a better
option.
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| posted on July 24th, 2008 at 06:50 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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If you're after a cast one, get the bug@5speed one mail order from Germany. It takes a couple of weeks to get here via DHL and it's at your door.
The quality of the sump is 100% and yes it has baffles welded into it. If you think you need a windage tray (maybe you're planning on having the
thing at 45 degrees angle all day) then tig one into it.
For my money this cast one is 450000% better looking and finished than any chopped up and rewelded original one.
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dont want to sound rude! that sump does not hold enought oil....if i remember it only holds 3litres there abouts
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| posted on July 24th, 2008 at 07:30 PM |
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It holds 4.25 litres I just read it on his website
Quote of the week
"Do I wish to send them to you again, nope, no interest can't be bothered really, to much hassle for little or no return."
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| posted on July 24th, 2008 at 07:46 PM |
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It holds 4.25 litres I just read it on his website
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| posted on July 24th, 2008 at 07:59 PM |
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It holds 4.25 litres I just read it on his website
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And at $554 Aussie dollars plus postage/tax etc it looks to be great value!!!!!
tssnq.com.au
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| posted on July 24th, 2008 at 10:11 PM |
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I charge $100 an hour for fabrication (workshop costs eat about $50/hour)
Theres $50 worth of steel and laser cutting in that. Considering that design uses the original top 2/3rds, it's not rocket science.
There's not 5.5 hours of labour in the first one and certainly less in any after that.
We've just had a custom sump made for a commodore v6 in a rock buggy, baffled and windage tray fitted. all from scratch, ( i.e not a chopped off
original) extra heavy base, 5 day turnaround, $450 in bare metal. Guaranteed leak free.
But thats not the point, I 'm trying to avoid a modified original or a fabricated sheet metal one.
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I wasn't gunna buy into this argument but can't help myself.
Yes Liam I know you have a shop an can fab and yes I know you are in la la land if you think you can make one the same as CVD in under 5.5 hrs ......
If you actually bothered to look at the sump you will see a few things that make it the best option on the market if you don't want some poser alloy
unit.
The CVD sump is the only sump on the market that gives more than 50mm of ground clearance back. At 85mm it is way out in front .. 35mm is a lot in the
subie converted VW world.
The CVD sump has been CAD designed and not slapped together by some apprentice in a few hours. The CAD design was done to ensure that oil capacity was
retained, factory dip stick could be used and factory oil surge issues where a thing of the past.
The CVD sump is provided exchange and done so to ensure a perfect fit. They use the top 45mm or so of the factory sump and the factory pickup which is
modified to suit. Crush tubes are added to allow the sump to bolt up easily and still allow factory engine mounts to be used.
As I hate internet wanna be's, and I know you are not one of them I will buy 10 sumps cuts off you for $50 each as per your above post. That would be
$500, so let me know when I can have them and I will pay you the $$$. You and I know that ain’t gunna happen and if it does I can onsell them to CVD
and still make money on what CVD are paying for them, even buying them in batches of 20 the cut length is such that the cost is over your $50 without
material and design time.
I even own my own CNC Cutter and would be flat out doing them for $50 even with bugger all overheads.
So u gunna put your fab skill where you mouth is ? or have I gotten it wrong and you are just another internet quoting tyre kicking 4WD fab shop that
likes to slag of prices of others saying you can do it cheaper than everyone else but never following through ???
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oh and yeah I looked at the BugA5Speed sump but landed it was a lot closser to $1000 than $600 and had a few issues with clearance, oil pickup and
supply......
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| posted on July 24th, 2008 at 10:25 PM |
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................. and had a few issues with clearance, oil pickup and supply......
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Can you elaborate a little on that???
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| Quote: | Originally
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................. and had a few issues with clearance, oil pickup and supply......
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Can you elaborate a little on that???
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Before the CVD one was designed and built I tried to find out some more about the Bug Sump and was told it was 40mm shorter than stock and had less
than factory oil capacity and he had a few leaking issues. You also had to modify your own pickup and the quote I got on delivery was stupid.
Martin may have done some work on it since then but I don;t see the point in spending close to $1k and not getting max clearance back.
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340 Euro included postage to Australia.
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| posted on July 25th, 2008 at 10:17 AM |
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340 Euro included postage to Australia.
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Wow so $560 AUD delivered plus GST and import duty if he declares it so still under $700.
I stand corrected then cost is about the same as the CVD unit then. I guess it just comes down to how much clearance you want to get .
Is he doing pickups with that ?
The CVD ones will drop by about $150 once Liam sends me the batch of cutouts ready to go at $50 ea
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I guess the aussie dollar is looking good at the mo.
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Hi
No import duty under $1000.00, are you sure that is the price including freight?
In a rear engined car we are all running the oil system back to front, so there is going to be a compromise that may end in tears or some trophies for
the garage wall.
Has anyone ever used an Accusump? I know that Geoff from Hellbug used one on his hillclimb car, he may also have one on the Notch as well.
Steve
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I need a shortened sump, have been looking for one for about a year now with no luck, looks like im about to shell out $550 for a off road one,
(dam!!)
Boof doesn't want to make one for me, he was supposed to give me the number for a shop that makes the top section (CNC) which I could then weld
custom sides and bottom onto, any one got that number??
Any way I got $400 for anyone that can knock one up for me that will be suited for drag racing. I can supply 2x stock sumps for you to play around
with.
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Hi
No import duty under $1000.00, are you sure that is the price including freight?
In a rear engined car we are all running the oil system back to front, so there is going to be a compromise that may end in tears or some trophies for
the garage wall.
Has anyone ever used an Accusump? I know that Geoff from Hellbug used one on his hillclimb car, he may also have one on the Notch as well.
Steve
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Hi Michael,
thank you for your interst in my sumps. Price is 285 Euro plus 52 Euro freight.
Payment via bank transfer.
Kind Regards
Martin Bott
Bott Fahrzeugtechnik
Bug @ 5-Speed Fahrzeugteile
Zur Ritterschlucht 3
D-36115 Hilders
Tel.: +49/(0)6681/9170742
Fax: +49/(0)6681/9170743
e-mail: info@bugat5speed.de
URL: http://www.bugat5speed.de
michael
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An info@bugat5speed.de
Kopie
Thema : sumps
This is an enquiry e-mail via http://www.bugat5speed.de/cms from:
michael
Hi from Australia!!! Could you give me the price on your alloy shortened sump including postage to Australia,potcode/zip 4815. Thank you for your
help!!
Michael Hutchinson
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$551 AU for that work of Euro Art, compared to $550 for a strange lookin apprentice machanic custom off road unit.
Come on Brad time to lower your prices mate.
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Hey MickH
Ill buy one, see if he can do a better price for 2 or 3, im sure some one else will want one
I might even ask the WRX forums if they are interested.
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Already before approx. 10 years it was clear for us that the evolution of the WBX engine could be actually only OHC or the DOHC double-piston engine
of the Japanese manufacturer Subaru. After 100.000 km with a Legacy, even driven, one at that time already wished oneself this everyday life-suited
and matured engine into the own 1303.
At that time before the change it back-frightened that there were still too few specialists for things such as expanders and adapted wiring
harnesses. Fortunately there is further idealists, which recognized that the Subaru boxer reliably 100mal better the beetle fits, than any row engine
(even if it originates from the house VOLKSWAGEN). It formed its own small scene, which concerns itself with the production of special parts and the
installation of these engines. Since with all changes seen so far deep, optically extremely unattractive, or shortened oil pan had held from the
installation of a “Subaru”, one took forwards for remedy to provide itself. Due to earlier model construction amateur driving and other cast parts
a 2-piece oil pan from aluminum casting developed.
This tub is 5 cm flatter than the original and permits oil contents of 4,25 litres. Most shortened oil pans are about 3,5 litres of volume. The tub
has cooling fins on the lower surface, those the engine also from downside revaluations. The main use of the ribs is however the substantially reduced
heat development in the engine. Tests at a turbo engine with plentifully HP, built into 1303 brought the result that the water temperature sank at
first attempt by 10 degrees. Inside 2 bulkheads are trained, which prevent a way sloshing of the oil in fast driven curves. The cultivation is
absolutely problem-free, since all drillings of the original were taken over. The original dipstick can be re-used. Shortening the original oil
sucking in pipe is not large history and can by us be taken over if necessary. The oil drain plug of the Subaru can be used.
4.25 litres of oil amount of filling
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