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 DUB64
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| posted on September 2nd, 2008 at 08:45 PM |
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73 Beetle One of a Kind "Apparently"
http://www.carsales.com.au/used-cars/private/VOLKSWAGEN/BEETLE/details.aspx?_...
Saw this and thought it sounded interesting.
Be keen to hear whether this is legit and true.
I have nothing to do with this sale at all!
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| posted on September 2nd, 2008 at 08:57 PM |
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Would have to see the paper trail to believe this one.
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| posted on September 2nd, 2008 at 09:12 PM |
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UTTER crap
but a nice car
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| posted on September 2nd, 2008 at 09:19 PM |
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Bit hard to belive that the dash is factory fitted from the 70's. The dash looks more modern than anything Hyundai has made in the last 15 years,
let alone 1972!
Very nice looking car but you would need a sieve to separate the bull from the dust with this one....
If you can't fix it with a hammer,
you have an electrical problem....
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| posted on September 2nd, 2008 at 09:21 PM |
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So the general feeling this ad is a con or at least dodgy.
How can sellers make such claims then?
Surely there is more to it?
Hardly an appreciating classic if no one believes the history!
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| posted on September 2nd, 2008 at 09:23 PM |
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In my opinion, if I had the disposable income I would Baja it.
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| posted on September 2nd, 2008 at 09:25 PM |
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Hellbus, don't forget to rub back the metallic paint just enough to get some surface rust and rat it out as well!!
If you can't fix it with a hammer,
you have an electrical problem....
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| posted on September 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 PM |
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posted by DUB64
So the general feeling this ad is a con or at least dodgy.
How can sellers make such claims then?
Surely there is more to it?
Hardly an appreciating classic if no one believes the history!
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"It's not a lie, if you believe it" - George Costanza
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"Never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn"
- Mark Brandon Reid
If you can't fix it with a hammer,
you have an electrical problem....
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| posted on September 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 PM |
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I could limo it, baja it, chop top it, Poraga it, whatever.
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| posted on September 2nd, 2008 at 10:34 PM |
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Well it's not a Karmann for starters. Also, so what does it make my steel sliding 1966 Beetle that I owned if not the 1st? Plus it's in standard
original condition - after a full body off resto. A few to many interesting facts that don't add up, at an unrealistic price.
Nice car though.
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| posted on September 2nd, 2008 at 10:42 PM |
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This car is a typical 1973 European Super Beetle (1303) with the factory Golde sunroof option. The questionable bit is the 1303LS badge, which
identifies the Super beetle cabriolet, not sedan and the Karmann info.
Maya Metallic paint with Lapis blue interior was one colour option for 1973. In 1974 the " Sun Bug" was a special production with gold metallic
paint, and sunroof or convertible body.
The dash is standard, as are the seat belts, and low backs were an option, as was the rear window demister.
Being RHD, it may have been ordered for South Africa, which will be on the Birth Certificate. I have seen a 1972 steel slider sunroof Beetle in
Victoria, which was also imported from Sth Africa.
Anyone prepared to pay $23,000 will check the provenance.
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| posted on September 2nd, 2008 at 11:06 PM |
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I will provenance the roof right off it when I make it a typical 'chop top'
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| posted on September 3rd, 2008 at 12:31 AM |
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From memory the car was displaying some sort of authentication certificate and other framed info at the last action day. It was all set up under the
hood.
See pic below
Jace
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| posted on September 3rd, 2008 at 08:52 AM |
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Don't think they are, and never heard of any ACVW coming with chromed wheels from the factory, were they an option on any model?? The dealer
brochures for 1973 show silver steel rims.
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| posted on September 3rd, 2008 at 06:16 PM |
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fishing?
great idea heh? advertise a car for 2 or 3 times its value and see if anyone bites
it works with gt falcons !
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| posted on September 3rd, 2008 at 11:51 PM |
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great idea heh? advertise a car for 2 or 3 times its value and see if anyone bites
it works with gt falcons !
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That only works if the local drug pushers want to spend some cash and launder some money.
Nice car though
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| posted on September 5th, 2008 at 08:38 AM |
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ive had a good look over this bug a few times and chatted with the owner at shows
its definately a german import 1303LS but as to the whole karmann story i was to lazy to read all the official documents under the hood but it looked
to varify the story
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| posted on September 6th, 2008 at 08:42 PM |
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It's lovely, genuine or not, but $23K?
Tell 'im 'e's dreamin!
A POSSE AD ESSE.
I live in my own little world, but it's okay, they know me here.
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These 1600 1303LS beetles were sold in North America as the "Le Grande' beetle and it did come with the sunroof as standard.. along with metallic
paint etc..
fancy wheels..
I can't really think that VW would ship a car to the Karmann factory for a sunroof fitment...
they made the Karmann Cabriolet in the factory on a chassis suppplied by Volkswagen...
nice unusual beetle though [although I'm not a lover of 1303S supers]
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| posted on September 7th, 2008 at 10:32 AM |
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plus adding a sunroof isn't an easy job once its left the factory...
Would be a German made car as all beetles made in South America had Torsion bar front ends and rear swing axles
drum brakes and wide 5 wheels and studs..
they never made a Mcpherson strut 1303...
they just looked like a 1303.....
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| posted on November 24th, 2008 at 03:35 PM |
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Having spent almost a year restoring this car many years ago - It is legit (as far as it was a special order diplomat car - made in Germany for South
Africa) - I can not answer the "Karmann" bit, but yes, thats the original color, it had weird seats that we have never seen before, as well as the
dash was different to AUS delivered units.
Oh, and the factory chrome wheels were "VW - made in Germany" stamps on them (100% legit), & we have seen pics of it before restoration.
Not sure on the rear badge - that went missing long before we had the car.
Its pretty unique
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| posted on November 24th, 2008 at 03:53 PM |
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Having spent almost a year restoring this car many years ago - It is legit (as far as it was a special order diplomat car - made in Germany for South
Africa) - I can not answer the "Karmann" bit, but yes, thats the original color, it had weird seats that we have never seen before, as well as the
dash was different to AUS delivered units.
Oh, and the factory chrome wheels were "VW - made in Germany" stamps on them (100% legit), & we have seen pics of it before restoration.
Not sure on the rear badge - that went missing long before we had the car.
Its pretty unique
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Good to see someone with some first hand knowledge kicking in a comment. I too have seen this car 1st hand and read the documents. If it isn't legit
then they have gone to a lot of trouble. Talking to the owner they seem like nice people and didn't mind discussing.
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| posted on November 24th, 2008 at 05:00 PM |
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wow so what's a 'real' Karmann worth?!
Pay your debts, CxxT
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| posted on November 24th, 2008 at 05:42 PM |
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I'm not history buff but I maybe when you wave the diplomate card around with a stack of cash they'll do anything including calling it whatever the
customer wanted. Maybe Karmann did make it for the money... Who knows... Only someone who was involved in the purchase will ever really know.
Still it's a nice Beetle and I don't like late models, but this one looks good.
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| posted on November 24th, 2008 at 06:27 PM |
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Wasn't Karman, just Karman Coachworks ? ie they did a heap of stuff and not just convertibles ?
I think you will find that karman where responsible for a lot more than just convertibles.
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| posted on November 24th, 2008 at 07:32 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by IN2VWS
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Wasn't Karman, just Karman Coachworks ? ie they did a heap of stuff and not just convertibles ?
I think you will find that karman where responsible for a lot more than just convertibles.
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I am aware that Karmann made more than convertibles.
So, are you are saying that in the 70's, Karmann did sunroofs for VW?
If yes, proof please.....
If no, what point are you trying to make with your comment?
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I am trying to say the 70's was a long time ago and a business such as a Karman Coach Works would have done a lot more than just convertibless.
As for proof, this beetle is it. If you read the paperwork it has you will see it is clearly identified as being done by Karman.
Since you like proof, bounce the ball the other way and provide proof that karman did not do the work ?
Beetles came from the Factory with the steel sunroof for many years and as far as I am aware they did not make any curved screen models, the flat
sceern strut beetle being the last.
So I find it very easy to acept that if someone with $$$$ wanted a factory steel sunroof fitted to their curved screen beetle in the 70's then Karman
would be a good place to get it done.
I am sure Guy_H can confirm if the steel sunroof was authentic or not.
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| posted on November 24th, 2008 at 08:32 PM |
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steel sunroof Lbugs are common as arseholes in the US
germanlook and SBO gallerioes are full of them and very few are slit and fit jobs either
the bug will mosst likely be at dubs by the pieshop as it has been in the last few years so hopefully curious minds will find out
in2vws, my original pic of the boot above is shrunk down the original is like 2300x1900 or so but i dont think its any easier to make out
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| posted on November 24th, 2008 at 08:37 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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It is difficult to read the birth certificate from the pics, and have never seen the docs, but you have. Did the birth certificate say it was built at
Karmann? Or was that on the other types pages on display?
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Hi, sweet documents, you never stop learing.
As for what was on the birth certificate. I thought I read something about Karman on it BUT being a buggy guy I wasn't paying to much attention as to
the specifics and now you have me thinking WTF would Karman do something that was availible from VW at the time .
I dunno, I will give Desley a ring this week and ask her.
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| posted on November 24th, 2008 at 09:20 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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Don't get me wrong by my comments, I am sure it is a lovely car, and the pics look great.
It is just the Karmann comments I question.
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I don't take you the wrong way. I think it is great to find out what is right and what isn't. They make the comments in the add so open themselves
up to be asked.
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