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| posted on March 9th, 2009 at 03:32 PM |
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Should I go Electric !
I have been looking for a while at the option of converting my 66 beetle to electric
I spoke to Mike from CBB about his conversion at the shootout and I really like the whole idea of being electric
so
Have you ridden in Mikes ?
would you do it?
Why shouldn't I
I mainly use the car for city travel
I believe there is a discount on the registration, and some city councils allow free parking at meters.....
I currently have 1776 with 110 cam and 36 dells
What do you think???????????
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| posted on March 9th, 2009 at 03:44 PM |
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Sorry - what does CBB have??
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| posted on March 9th, 2009 at 03:46 PM |
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Hi
Mikes cars is very interesting, I heard facts and figures that go in the face of eclectic cars.
From birth to death a Prius has the same carbon footprint as a Hummer. The battery manufacture uses toxic and rare chemicals.
A better idea is the air car from India, uses compressed air to drive a motor, still needs electricity to pump up the tanks but this could be done
with greener power stations running when peak demand is off etc.
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| posted on March 9th, 2009 at 06:32 PM |
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there have been people making their cars electric for many years...
they say its NOT too difficult...
cars should be cheaper with all electric too...
Give it a go...
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| posted on March 9th, 2009 at 08:06 PM |
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Hi
Mikes cars is very interesting, I heard facts and figures that go in the face of eclectic cars.
From birth to death a Prius has the same carbon footprint as a Hummer. The battery manufacture uses toxic and rare chemicals.
A better idea is the air car from India, uses compressed air to drive a motor, still needs electricity to pump up the tanks but this could be done
with greener power stations running when peak demand is off etc.
Steve
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How good are recycled batteries?????
I'll have to research the air car
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| posted on March 9th, 2009 at 08:15 PM |
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I live in a town where there are two converted cars.
Daihatsu I think, very impressive especially the lightning bolt paint job.
His car was featured on TV and is very popular ... mind u it wasnt a vw so no comparison really.
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| posted on March 9th, 2009 at 08:30 PM |
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This is the Bug that CBB did.... saw it at VW Warwick last year
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| posted on March 9th, 2009 at 09:06 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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From birth to death a Prius has the same carbon footprint as a Hummer. The battery manufacture uses toxic and rare chemicals.
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Steve
Where did you get this info from??
Can you PM me - could be handy at work to have this
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| posted on March 9th, 2009 at 10:40 PM |
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the air car motor is a boxer engine too
looks good but a few years off
I wonder would they sell me an engine only???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztFDqcu8oJ4
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 12:35 PM |
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Could you post the carbon footprint info here? I'd like to see how that was worked out - seems counter-intuitive that a 4 tonne 4WD has the same
carbon footprint as the Prius.
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 01:11 PM |
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Where do you think the electricity comes from in Australia? It comes from dirty coal fired power stations.
So electric cars are actually coal fired cars.
This paper debated the "hummer is better than a prius" statement;
https://www.rmi.org/images/PDFs/Transportation/T07-01_DustToDust.pdf
Although it might have shown the prius is better, it seems plainly obvious to me that a fuel efficient car like a diesel VW Golf is going to be far
far better than the Prius. And the golf doesn't burn coal.
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 01:16 PM |
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What if I install enough solar panels on my house roof to produce the electricity needed to charge the car!
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 01:47 PM |
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Then your car will probably take 1 week to charge if it's sunny, or you'll spend more on solar panels then you could ever hope to possibly save on
fuel.
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 02:13 PM |
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What if I install enough solar panels on my house roof to produce the electricity needed to charge the car!
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They aren't cheap either!
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 02:29 PM |
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What if its not about saving money ?
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 03:44 PM |
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Well what is it about?
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 03:51 PM |
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Hi
I guess we all want to make a softer impact on the earth, I think that's where Silver is coming from.
I reckon you buy a late model diesel motor from a Golf etc or now Subaru have a diesel flat 4, fit it up with all the wiz bang stuff from a late model
car and your car will be more sensitive than an electric car.
But we all drive old cars, well any pollution that was made in my old cars manufacture is long past, from now on they only get greener.
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 03:57 PM |
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Yuo can get much more effiecient batteries these dyas. Look up some of the electric car clubs in australis and pick their brains.
One guy told me once you can get down to as much as 2 batteries with a 15 year warranty on them. Not sure of price. very new technology battery wise.
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 04:48 PM |
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electric cars more planet friendly?
a/ toxic chemicals and acids in batteries
b/ heavy metals and rare earth meterials (that take a sh*t load of mining and processing to manufactrue and are toxic when dumped)
c/ recharged from coal powered utilities
d/ limited driving range in a country that has 1000's of kms between capitals
Have not seen an electric only vehicle that matches or surpasses what we have (enviromentally or economically) if the so called Greenpowered experts
can develop a realist way to capture the suns energy and store it then, maybe the electric car will then make sense, but until then its just BS
science fiction at the moment.
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 05:33 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Baja Wes
Well what is it about?
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Being Different..
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electric cars more planet friendly?
a/ toxic chemicals and acids in batteries
b/ heavy metals and rare earth meterials (that take a sh*t load of mining and processing to manufactrue and are toxic when dumped)
c/ recharged from coal powered utilities
d/ limited driving range in a country that has 1000's of kms between capitals
Have not seen an electric only vehicle that matches or surpasses what we have (enviromentally or economically) if the so called Greenpowered experts
can develop a realist way to capture the suns energy and store it then, maybe the electric car will then make sense, but until then its just BS
science fiction at the moment.
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A) most cars have Batteries.
B) Oil spills like the Exon Valdeez are worse than dumping batteries (which are recycled nowadays)
C) solar panels on roof of house for electricity supply
D) I don't require long range travel ( I'll take an Airplane for that)
Have you seen an electric car?
Change for your 2c
I appreciate all the comments on this, as I am seriously considering this conversion.
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 06:15 PM |
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very cool topic people should have a open mind to all new ways of doing things because new ideas come from others mistakes and experiences!
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 07:22 PM |
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Did you know that Ferdinand Porsche designed the world's first ever electric hybrid vehicle, the Lohner Porsche, in 1899?
http://www.porsche.com/usa/aboutporsche/porscheandenvironment/hybrid/lohner/
Volkswagen AG have not gone down the electric car path, as they consider that the cost, volume and weight of the batteries to be prohibitive, as well
as the argument that electrics only move the pollution source from the engine to the coal-burning power station.
Instead, they are releasing ultra-efficient super-modern Bluemotion diesel models such as the Bluemotion version of the Polo, Golf, Passat and so on.
The Polo Bluemotion is cheaper, faster, more economical and has a lower carbon footprint than the Toyota Prius. The Polo Bluemotion is the most
economical and lowest CO2 5-seat car in the world:
http://www.netcarshow.com/volkswagen/2009-polo_bluemotion_concept/
Of course diesel is still a fossil fuel, so VW has long sold models in Europe and the USA that run on bio-diesel, supposedly a 100% renewable fuel.
Australia doesn't have a bio-diesel infrastructure, unlike Europe and the USA, and VWGA does not support running Australian-spec diesel VWs on
bio-diesel. But they supposedly can, even without modifications, but you will void your Australian warranty. We are a bit behind the rest of the world
there.
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 08:15 PM |
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...but diesel unfortunately does not magically appear in the petrol tank. Distribution is a considerable factor. Although power stations are fueled by
dirty coal, the process is very efficient compared to the end to end supply of diesel.
VW experimented with an "Elektro Transporter", yes , an electric bay window, in 1978.
Obviously battery technology wasn't up to it then. Things are different now.
The "Tesla Roaster" makes an electric car look totally viable, even Top Gear could not convince me otherwise, they squeezed 55miles out of it on the
track. Their concern was the recharge time, but you can just as easily imagine, swappable batteries.
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 08:25 PM |
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I reckon it's a great idea - you sound like you are already convinced - so just get on with it.
I've looked at doing this for an Austin Healey Sprite, and found some of the following info which might be useful - but if someone has already done
it for a VW, then they would be the first place to start.
All the hardware is now standard items from various places (eg Electro
Auto and ZEVA ) so you can bolt the motor ( like this one) onto an adaptor (like the one listed in here), chuck in whatever batteries &
controls etc you like and you have an electric car.
Next challenge is registration, but there is a code of practice which offers info.
I'm not exactly sure how you would provide windscreen demisting. Might be some way to tap off heat from the motor and duct it into the heater
channels - and it may need some pressure differential to get flow.
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 08:30 PM |
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yes and no, they also state that the batteries weight in at around 500kg, do you wanna change those??
i say its a good idea, but the batteries need work, or replacing with a hydrogen cell like in the new Honda.
if the batteries werent there the electric beetle would fly, i asked em about the electric beetle at warwick, was told it has 85kw, thats a hell of
alot more than the average VW, pity about the battery wieght ruining that power to wieght ratio.
still a cool idea, the thing was sooooooo quiet ,other than the petrol generator charging the batteries non stop when not in use 
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Another alternative - convert your VW engine to steam power. You could run your water boiler on used cooking oil, and have a zero carbon footprint. It
has been done - check out this Club Veedub article from a few years ago:
http://www.clubvw.org.au/ssssssteam_heat.htm
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 08:52 PM |
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lots of good info here thanks Volumex for some links I had not seen before
Steam sounds like fun but I want electric
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 09:57 PM |
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I was in at CBB on Monday discussing this very conversion with Mike.
I was given the once over of both the MX5 and the 74 Bay that he is finishing off at the moment electric powered.
All I am going to say is My bay is next.
After taking a hot lap around the block, I was sold on the effortless pick up, the total silence and smoothness of the beetle.
There are some very valid and interesting points in this post and everyone has their right to a view but for me my car already exist so I am not
creating a carbon footprint going electric.
Why am I doing it, cause I can along with the following as pointed out to me by Mike at CBB.
I have no more serviceable items in the engine bay.
No more clutch or clutch cable issue ever again.
No more starter or alternator issues ever again.
No more rusting out of my exhuast ever again.
No more fuel tank or pump issues ever again.
Most of all no more oil leaks to stress out over come rego time.
Cost of running ie charging my batteries will be in the ball park of 2 - 3 cents per klm travelled.
As for emissions, what emissions, if you want to get all technical about the power I will be consuming out of my wall to charge my batteries lets
thing about Mikes statement to me today," The amount of emissions that come out of one car just idling at the red traffic light each day on its
journey would far out way the small amount of emissions produced by charging the batteries".
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| posted on March 10th, 2009 at 10:33 PM |
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there is some info here on Porsche and air cooled VW electric conversions. http://www.electroauto.com/
One on an electric type 34 Ghia. Electric Razor 
http://www.angelfire.com/ca4/renewables/G1page.html
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