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 kg1962
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| posted on April 19th, 2009 at 03:33 PM |
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seeking restoration advice for '64 karmann ghia
Hi All, I am new to this forum. I have a 1962 Karmann Ghia coupe which I have had for 10 years. It is in pretty reasonable original condition. I am
considering having it stripped down and restored from scratch. Any advice on who does the best work in Sydney or Melbourne?
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whats yr location Sydney or Melbourne
which ever it is you should be close to the place so you can check and monitor the progress and make decisions etc etc
What ever work you can do yourself will make the job cheaper so if yr handy with tools i would strip the car to a bare shell and have it dipped to
remove all paint and rust
the ghias have 3 skins and hidden body sections which only a chemical dipp can get into
as for panel work wait untill you get the shell back to decide the next step
dont do anything else untill you get the body stripped and dipped as you may find its not worth it or bigger and more costly than you expected
do you have any idea of a budget ???
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| posted on April 20th, 2009 at 10:27 AM |
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vw54, thanks for your reply.
I suspect that the restoration work would be quite expensive, but I want to do it properly. I would guess at $15k to do it from ground up.
I am pretty handy mechanically and have my father who is a mechanic as an helper. I am however exceptionally busy at work so it would be more cost
effective for me to have it done from the ground up by a professional outfit.
I reside in Newcastle (2 hours north of Sydney), but spend a reasonable amount of time in Sydney and make occasional trips to Melbourne.
I have also considered getting it restored by "The Karman Ghia Company of Australia" located in WA, which has at least a good internet presence. Do
you know if they are any good?
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Good Luck with your $15K.
I've also looked into this for my Karmann Ghia. Realistically I'd imagine you would at least be looking at double that figure as a start. esp if
you're looking at a body off resto.
When I was doing my research I also considered shipping my car over to Gerry in WA. I'd be confident that the job was done right as that is all they
do.
Your other options locally would be the likes of Monster Garage out west, Wayne Penrose down south, and possibly Mike at CBB (Penrith)
I've gone for the slow approach, and rather than go all out, have got Richard at V-Force building a complete new 1776 with new case. He is also going
to sort out and upgrade all my mechanical issues at the same time, such as new brakes and suspension. All I'll need to worry about then is the
body/paint, and interior. I just want to start enjoying the car safely, and worry about cosmetics down the track when I can afford it.
Good luck I'd be interested to hear what you decide and how you go.
Nikos.
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| posted on April 20th, 2009 at 04:35 PM |
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Body ad Paint is going to be the BIGGEST expense
Like i said get it dipped n stripped back to bare metal to seee what you have to work with
Yes i know Gerry he does some good stuff but if u want a good job the dip first
yes 15K wont take you far especially if yr paying a shop to do all the work n running around proabbly doubl;e would be more close to the mark
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| posted on April 20th, 2009 at 04:45 PM |
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Nikos,
Thank you for the sobering thoughts on my $15k and advice on companies that would do a good job.
I have had the car for 10 years and am pretty certain I want to do the ground up restoration, even if it is $30k.
Doesn't really make economic sense does it, but I guess that's classic cars for you!
I will keep you posted on what I decide.
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| posted on April 20th, 2009 at 04:55 PM |
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Step 1 Strip the car body from chassis doors and engine lid and bonnet off remove all wiring and trim and any heavy deposits of gunk your self
step 2 box all the bits up and make list of anything that may need replacing
step 3 send body and panels for stripping
step 4 find a panel beater who is interetsed in doing the job near your place
step 5 start handing out the money
Step 6 get a box of bits out and start cleaning and replacing where necessary ie the doors and runners and winder and locks these all take time
to check and fix if necessary you carnt pay someone to do this job
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| posted on April 20th, 2009 at 05:00 PM |
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vw54,
Thanks for the advice.
Any tips on:
1. Where to get the car dipped
2. Who to get involved in the body work
3. Where to get good chroming done
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| posted on April 20th, 2009 at 05:22 PM |
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1 Redi Strip at Blacktown
2 hard choice but some one who is willing and interested in doing the job may be hard to find
3 Talk with Boris at Vintage but as the KG bars are 3 piece i think it will prob cost you arnd 2K to have them straightened and re chromed using
a copper base this is most important so they wont rust with cheap chrome there are no repros so if the bars are good then that will turn out
10 out of 10 make sure they sit straight and level on the car before you remove them sit car on flat level surface and et out you tap measure
and check them out do they fit the contour of the body work etc etc lots of things to look at also check out the brackest and infill bracket
sections body to bar lots of work there
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| posted on April 20th, 2009 at 05:47 PM |
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Hi kg1962,
i have gone down this path recently,
I agree with getting it stripped first, but i would locate a good body repair person before you go any further,
seek out someone local to you who restores / repairs presige cars , if they cant help you, they should be able to point you in the right direction,
also, being local to you allows you to check on progress more often & make sure it is going the way you intended.
Good luck with it.
Step up to get out !!!
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| posted on April 20th, 2009 at 07:41 PM |
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Hamilton chrome did the bars for my 1961 Ghia recently and I am hapy with the work,there were a couple of rust holes and driving lights had been
fitted previously,these areas were repaired .I have also used Coffs Chrome in the past successfully.interested to follow your progress Cheers Les
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| posted on April 23rd, 2009 at 04:24 PM |
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Hey does anyone know how to find out the history of a vehicle from the chasis number. I have already figured out that my KG was actually built in
1963, but was a 1964 model. I wanted to establish whether it is in it's original colour and trim. Any ideas on sources of information?
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| posted on May 7th, 2009 at 09:47 PM |
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AutoMuseum in Germany can send you the birth certificate for the car which will give the production date, model, colours, options and destination
country for a fee. They are quite often incorrect on combinations for trim and M codes as they do not have the early M codes recorded. Alternatively,
you can post up pics of the interior, original painted parts of the car(under back seat, inside doors, etc) so we can get an idea of its original
colour and whether or not the interior is original(some of us have the factory interior combinations for the colour options of the cars). If yours is
a 1500s which it should be at this age, it will have had several unique body, electrical and mechanical differences to the later 1500s which I can go
into once the true age of the car is brought to light with a chassis and engine number.
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| posted on May 10th, 2009 at 11:47 PM |
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Hi Dyno,
I have done a bit of research online and from the chasis number established that it is a 1964 model built in late 1963. I think the car is in its
original two tone colours (sea blue / blue white), with matching 559 vinyl / cloth interior.
The engine would have originally been a 40hp 1200cc. I have some documentation about the vehicle's history including a receipt for conversion to a
1500cc unit at a VW dealership in 1966. Unfortunately, I have only recently figured out that this engine is no longer in the vehicle. From the current
engine number, I think someone has put a 54hp type 2 or 3 engine in the car.
I have contacted the AutoMuseum in Germany and am waiting to receive the "birth certificate". I plan to do a body off restoration to original
specification, except the engine. Given the original engine no longer exists, I figure its a good excuse to put something with a little more power in,
unless someone out there knows where to get a 40hp 1200cc with numbers that are consistent with the vehicle.
See pic of car below.
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| posted on May 11th, 2009 at 06:51 AM |
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nice colour scheme 4 a Ghia
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| posted on May 11th, 2009 at 06:10 PM |
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i got a paprika ghia, but i reckon blue is the best looking color on ghias
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| posted on May 13th, 2009 at 08:17 PM |
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I have a '63 model (built late '62) Ghia I've had for about 6-7 years now I guess. Mines Pearl White which is pretty boring, I'm thinking about
the sea blue or the Emerald colours with the off-white roof. I'll get around to it one day!
The one shown is an Emerald Green car from Belgium, this is the colour I'm leaning towards.
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| posted on May 13th, 2009 at 09:08 PM |
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Looking at the car it is a twin for my 1961 Ghia, it is sea blue with a white top,the trim is cerulean blue cloth with ivory vinyl. Mine does not
have the bumper overriders .Cheers Les
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| posted on May 13th, 2009 at 11:47 PM |
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Where I work we do $100K, $200K, $300K restorations on some real exotic and rare cars. It is all possible, and good work is available. We did a 356
Porsche $60K panel and paint restoration. PM me if you are interested. We only do the best work, no "resprays"
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| posted on May 14th, 2009 at 02:29 AM |
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Grumble, post some pics of your 1961 Ghia!
Karmann54, I have posted a pic of a solid emerald green 1963. I think it looks awesome. Here's a link to the car online. There's about 40 pics and a
good story.
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://web3.ichwobbledich.com/cms/imag...
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kg1962 I will have to get barls to help me with the pics.there is one at his wedding on the forum under Thanks to Ian & Rose late last month. I
repainted the little car Electric blue about 20 years ago.i notice the green ghia is LHD,have you converted ?Cheers Les
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| posted on May 15th, 2009 at 09:50 PM |
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Grumble,
There are pics of 3 different Ghias on this thread. Mine is the earliest post - Sea blue, blue white roof and no bumper over riders. It is an
Australian delivered RHD vehicle.
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hi kg1962,
Beautiful car! So whats wrong with it? what needs to be done? Just by looking at your pics it looks to already be in great shape. Unless its full of
rust and covered in bog like the 1960 Ghia i just bought i see no reason why your initial budget estimate shouldn't hold up. Nice car mate!
Anthony
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| posted on May 18th, 2009 at 07:29 PM |
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Hi Isky,
Thanks for comments.
Problem list:
Paint looking pretty tired - Its largely original
Carpets stuffed
Front seats not original - Wrong trim only I think
Interior trim pretty tired generally, but think its all original
Engine non-original 1500cc, and I'll probably change it for something more powerful
Funny electricals - Currently 6V with 12V converter, and battery doesn't charge particularly well
Wheels non original colours, so want to change that to original specification. I also want to get a set of sprinstars.
Non-original radio, so am getting a Blaupunkt of appropriate period
Broken interior light
Missing fuse box cover
Good parts:
No obvious rust of note
Pretty much complete car, with only minor missing bits
Will keep you posted on progress. Am just trying to collect up bits and pieces at the moment until next year when I plan to do body off restoration. I
just want to dig deeper so to speak to see if there's any hidden rust or bog and then paint and protect it, so I get another 45 years out of it.
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mate your lucky! Id love it if the 1960 Karmann i bought last week had no rust. Im about to buy a second Ghia in 2 weeks. Its in need of some
attention but luckily the rust isnt as big an issue  I look forward to
seeing your progress!
Go slow, take your time (like it looks like your doing) and im sure your budget will cover it
.....then come give me a hand 
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| posted on May 18th, 2009 at 09:11 PM |
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Isky,
I may well have rust but not know about it. Will keep you posted.
Post pics of your Ghias.
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kg1962 your blue ghia is the one that I was referring to when I said it was a twin for mine,the differences are that I have clear front flashers and a
side mirror from one of the 1600 datsuns.That and the fact that it is now electric blue.
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lol ill try and work out how to post pics first....
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| posted on May 26th, 2009 at 06:24 PM |
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Birth certificate arrived! Car in original colours and trim! Let the restoration fun begin!
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Ahhh congrats mate! you have an old baby Ghia
Nice work, how did you go about receiving this? I know its the Auto museum but how do they take payment and how much does it cost mate? Do they have
a dedicated request page or do you just email them...Ive tried previously to look into this...Cheers
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