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 bajachris88
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Americanism.... halloween....
the younger siblings have been invited to a halloween party, and never in my upbringing have i been involved in such, nor did my folks endose it.
until now though, the folks are all for it... and the kids are excited. Dressing up and all to look like something from a Michael Jackson's thriller
video....
Maybe i'm just a senile party pooper... but when a american holiday which originated in europe from the irish and Celtics to celebrate 'SUMMERS
END' comes to the southern hemisphere... IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! Particularly when its summer starting and we don't have white xmas's like the
northern hemisphere.
Whats the go?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halloween
sigh...
rant over, i need a drink.
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Maybe i'm just a senile party pooper...
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I think you have a point there! LOL! Mitchell
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 12:45 PM |
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yep we dont need it here in Aussie
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 12:51 PM |
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Its another commericalised tradition like Christmas and Easter. The only reason everyone pictures Santa as a fat guy in red and white was because of
the Coke ads. Before that he just a Saint in standard garb for the period handing out gifts. Another victory for the Advertising agentcies.
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 12:56 PM |
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its not a rant Chris, its fact... its just another excuse for shopkeepers to make money out of the gullible public,either that or for people to let
their kids out to cadge for free lollies... Not at my house
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 02:19 PM |
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Count me in with the bah humbug brigade, we live in Australia, we don't need this Americanisation of our culture here, when the kids knock on my door
I ask them what is the date for Australia Day or Anzac day or the like, if they answer correctly they get showered in gifts if not then its off ya go.
Years ago and against my better judgement (outvoted by the other leaders) I took a bunch of Cub Scouts around on a halloween night door knock, we
actualy managed to scare a couple of the older people who opened the door and were not aware of what was going on, so I bought the kids a heap of
lollies to share and called it off, they were happie little blokes and the neighbourhood was left in piece. Ausie Ausie Ausie oie oie oie.
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 02:21 PM |
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I agree with all the above. My 5 year old daughter wants to get dressed up and go trick or treating tonight. That should have read is getting
dressed up etc. I have to go tell the neighbors to expect a visit and give them some chocolates so they have something to give.
With that said, we had a Halloween party 7 years ago for our son (then 12), but it was really just a fancy dress party and was a lot of fun. But no
trick or treating was to be seen.
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 02:27 PM |
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"when the kids knock on my door I ask them what is the date for Australia Day or Anzac day or the like, if they answer correctly they get showered in
gifts if not then its off ya go"
Sounds like my dad, he reckons anyone with a sothern cross tat or sticker on their car should be able to name the stars in the crioss.
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 02:42 PM |
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Hi
Its actually very big in the UK, so its not actually American.
Steve
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 03:08 PM |
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I don't see what the big fuss is about. Why don't we stop celebrating christmas while we are at it. It is just the church ripping off the pagan's
celebration of the winter solstice to make converting them easier. It is more than likely that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December. Let's get
rid of easter as well. It is just a celebration of the Anglo saxon goddess Eostre. If people want an excuse to celebrate and have fun lets let them do
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 03:33 PM |
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We don't need imported this or that?
Funny to hear on a import forum.
Oh ok. I guess then we don't need German cars or Chinese computers.
And I certainly not expect to hear of Cal-lookers, or Scat components etc... Bloody americanisms.
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 03:49 PM |
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I have to take back what I have said. If people want to have fun, they should and I agree with Dave. I am just a cranky old Grinch. There should be
more laughter in life and I need to join in and stop being a shit head. Even my Daughter asks why am I cranky all the time.
Go Halloween and any other fun occasions.
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 03:55 PM |
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I can take it or leave it really.
The kids went to a few good Halloween parties in the UK when we lived there, but i do agree that it makes more sense there....cold winters evening
etc! Just doesn't sit right here!
Having said that, we are doing a pumpkin for the garden...but wont be doing the trick or treat thing
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 04:18 PM |
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nah .....BRING IT ON!!
Gives me a chance to get rid of the hash cookies and coke sherberts
here kiddes, kiddes kiddes 
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 04:46 PM |
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posted by 1303Steve
Hi
Its actually very big in the UK, so its not actually American.
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I didn't know that... Steve..
I thought it may have had something to do with the witches in early USA history...
but then all the witches came from the UK to start with ..lol
except the wicked witch of the west...lol
OK... Valentines day is Fine... [although My Wife hates it]
something for the over 18 teenagers to celebrate...
but trick or treating is a very NEW thing in Australia....
so NOT many people would have lollies waiting... lol
and the kids really don't know what its all about...
the over 18 teenagers can get dressed up and go out on the town... they just need an excuse to get dressed up...
LEE
PS: there were never any witches in Scone AFAIK.. lol
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 04:53 PM |
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Of course the kids know what it is about - LOLLIES - what else.
I must say, I have met some females who I reckon would fall int the category of 'Witches". lol
From your ole' mate Jeff
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 04:53 PM |
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I agree with all the above. My 5 year old daughter wants to get dressed up and go trick or treating tonight. That should have read is getting
dressed up etc. I have to go tell the neighbors to expect a visit and give them some chocolates so they have something to give.
With that said, we had a Halloween party 7 years ago for our son (then 12), but it was really just a fancy dress party and was a lot of fun. But no
trick or treating was to be seen.
Kev
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KEV
its very interesting to know that You knew it was Halloween 7 years ago.. lol
then again I don't really notice Easter or christmas...
plus having Xmas day on usually the hottest day of the year
is quite stupid... XMAS in July would be much better..
You can't buy kids nice winter clothes as its too hot... plus you can't buy them in the summer... lol
XMAS in July for the southern Hemisphere.... VOTE 1... lol
If the queens birthday holiday can be in any month???
in different countries...
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 04:54 PM |
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Nope, I don't take my coments back, but give me a chance to turn the music up and dance (well I think it's dancing, the mises disagrees  ) the night away, then invite me over, Hey Bizarre, do you do mail order on
the hash cookies and coke sherberts?
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 05:16 PM |
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Just to clear up it evolved from the Celtic festival of Samhain which was basically a celebration of the end of summer. The celts believed that at
this time the border between the world of the living and the world of the dead was particularly thin. This allowed both good and evil spirits to enter
the world. Out of superstition the dressed in scary outfits to scare off the evil spirits. For those of you more visual i quite like this guys take on
it
http://www.commissionedcomic.com/?p=1825
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 05:28 PM |
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Pointless tradition to make kids smile and get them fat but even still we don't need it here in Australia! I admit i did trick or treat when i was
younger but our suburb was very tight knit and everyone joined in but these days it is not so big. Tonight i have no lollies waiting to be handed out
so when they come knocking they wont be receiving anything from me except a "sorry this is Australia not America, I dont support Americanism"
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 06:03 PM |
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personally i dont see the point and have never celebrated it either and i dont feel like having my house egged..... drinking sounds like a plan... lol
im gonna sit in the window and throw water bombs at anyone that approaches
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 06:06 PM |
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yea maybe i'm just jealous of everyones fun, i missed out when i was littler. I like your idea though Polak!
With all the kids walking the street though this evening, hopefully their folks are keepin a good eye on em'. Which i doubt seeing the people around
my area.... Dennis Fergusen is probably going to have a ball...
Sick joke... but in all honesty, true. hes not to far from here either...
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 08:47 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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but then all the witches came from the UK to start with ..lol
except the wicked witch of the west...lol
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I almost mentioned my wife but it might somehow get back to her one day, so I wont.
THe Wicked musical clearly hasnt made it to Scone. Turns out the Witch of the West is actually the good witch, and its just the propaganda that
"Galinda" and the Wizard spread that makes her look bad.
I dont celebrate Australia day because it has turned into an alcohol fueled celebration of racism in so many ways. I dont celebrate ANZAC day because
it shouldnt be celebrated, its a solemn reflection day. Not the excuse to get smashed and act the goat like 18-20 somethings treat it today.
Being an atheist I dont celebrate easter, I celebrate chocolate. I dont celebrate Christmas, I celebrate friends and family reaching the end of
another year. And my celebration sint just on the 25th, it goes from 1st December to 1st January and attendance at cricket is compulsory.
Back to the point though, there hasnt been an observance of any 4th July, Thanksgiving, or Halloween holidays in this house.
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| posted on October 31st, 2009 at 10:13 PM |
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Hiya All,
Just a perspective from Stateside............
Almost none of the holidays celebrated here are celebrated today with any real regard for the reasons for their creation. For most Americans it is
simply a day off work, a day to overeat or overdrink, or a day to cut loose and have a great time. But, I'm thinking, that's not an entirely bad
thing. We need a chance to blow off a little steam every once in a while. Ever notice how most holidays are pretty evenly scheduled throughout the
year?
In any event, the holidays any culture celebrates should have some original meaning to those doing the celebrating. Here in Oregon we find ourselves
celebrating Cinco de Mayo more and more each year as the Latino population in this state grows. If y'all down in Oz had a growing American
population I could understand the Halloween business. Otherwise it doesn't seem to make much sense to me for the reasons given above in this
thread.
One thing I'd really like to see is how everybody in Oz celebrates Christmas, a traditional winter holiday in the dead of summer.
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One thing I'd really like to see is how everybody in Oz celebrates Christmas, a traditional winter holiday in the dead of summer.
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as a throw back to british heritage my family (and plenty of others) celebrate with hot roast dinners in 30 degree heat and high humidity with fans on
high. Pretty silly really.  more sensible families do seafood,
prawns n stuff.
as a kid, every present under our tree came from santa and everything was wrapped individually. there were no stockings. But in my wifes family all
the good things came from mum n dad, and santa brought cheap plastic and lollies junk which went in the stocking. Santa used to bring me bikes n
stuff, but gave my wife a bag of lollies. I dont know whats "normal". My kid gets the latter, despite my protests during the early years.
My sister and I used to turn our house upside down looking for presents before christmas and we never found any, To this day my mum wont tell me how
she did it. She still insists santa is real. He's stopped bringing me presents though.
I dont think an average aussie christmas would be too different to an american christmas. Only difference is that we sweat more.
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We usually do both. Seafood from about ten in the morning on with a huge roast of every type of meat you can think of for a really late lunch and then
dinner. Kind of an all day graze. Good fun i reckon
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posted by DaveCarterIt is more than likely that Jesus wasn't born on the 25th of December. Let's get rid of easter as well. It is just a
celebration of the Anglo saxon goddess Eostre.
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don't want to say you're right or wrong, but to my knowledge, you're right, He wasn't.
&, Easter is a celebration of Christ's resurection..
Where they occur yearly at the date/day that it happened years ago.... thats an interesting issue...
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Christmas time when I was a kid consisted of a hot roast turkey dinner in the middle of the day, but in more recent years, we have had a picnic or BBQ
at the river, or sometimes at the beach. We even had it on the top of a mountain one year. It certainly is a lot more fun getting out of the house on
these lazy summer days.
We get to have a 2nd bite at Christmast dinner (pun intended) with a 'Christmas in July" dinner with one or several orgainisations (with no fixed
date, you can have several goes at it lol). OUr VW Club used to have a weekend away every year to somewhere cold (often Dorrigo, but later on,
Uralla) for a Christams in July dinner.
Works great I reckon.
From your ole' mate Jeff
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Easter was christianised by the church to ease the the transition of in to the christian religion. The old holidays and celebrations became new ones.
I'm not saying it is a bad thing. It is just what happened and if people want to celebrate these days, for whatever reason, then good for them
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Let he who has never worn his baseball cap backwards cast the first stone.
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