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tail lights - rules and regulations
when doing the additions to my rear cage on the baja i thought it might look good to pt some LED lights in the cage and keep the guards looking
smooth.
can anyone tell me whether this is legal??
my main worry is the width between. i know there is a minimum with the front lights and there must be one for rear as well so does anyone know this
minimum distance??
cheers
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| posted on December 11th, 2009 at 03:35 PM |
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Yes You would need to check the regulations...
as blinkers and tail lamps need to be out towards the outside edge of cars....
they cannot be in towards the centre of the car....
Many beetles are not really legal with the blinkers added to bumpers are too far inwards towards the centre...
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| posted on December 11th, 2009 at 06:26 PM |
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I thought this much
do you know where i can look for all the rules and regulations?
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The lights should be stamped to an australian standard,the RTA techbical site should have the requirements available,if necessary the regulations are
available at an inspection station.
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| posted on December 12th, 2009 at 06:55 PM |
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The lights should be stamped to an australian standard,the RTA technical site should have the requirements available,if necessary the regulations are
available at an inspection station.
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All the non genuine tail lamps for beetles won't have an aust standard number... most have no numbers at all where as the original Hella tail lamps
have numbers..
the all clear tail lamps are NOT legal unless You have red reflectors under them or on the bumpers.
Note many new cars now have the reflectors down low away from the tail lamps..
The blinkers inside the headlamps of Early model beetles aren't legal and the Harley type blinkers on the bumper supports are borderline also...
depending on where they are located..
but normally no one takes any notice..
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I wonder how the law sees the elephant ear indicators as replacements for semaphores???
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| posted on December 12th, 2009 at 10:44 PM |
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I wonder how the law sees the elephant ear indicators as replacements for semaphores???
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they are OK if You still have front and rear blinkers...
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I wonder how the law sees the elephant ear indicators as replacements for semaphores???
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as in.... put elephant tail lights on a pre 68 car?? You would have to be going for areo gaurds or something for that to be appealing - but it is your
car.... that just sounds awful to me..
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| posted on December 13th, 2009 at 09:28 PM |
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i got very lost in the RTA site im obviously not tech friendly.... can
someone who knows how to use it send me a link or something??
i shall keep looking
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| posted on December 13th, 2009 at 09:34 PM |
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I wonder how the law sees the elephant ear indicators as replacements for semaphores???
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as in.... put elephant tail lights on a pre 68 car?? You would have to be going for areo guards or something for that to be appealing - but it is your
car.... that just sounds awful to me..
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He means those amber blinkers that fit into the trafficator slot
[called semaphores in the US?? where they were never legal]
I have some in My shed somewhere I'll take a pic next time I see one... lol
I've never heard of them being called elephants ears before...
they were an aftermarket accessory made by Hella...
they replaced the complete trafficator arm assembly...
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| posted on December 13th, 2009 at 09:35 PM |
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posted by colonel mustard
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I wonder how the law sees the elephant ear indicators as replacements for semaphores???
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as in.... put elephant tail lights on a pre 68 car?? You would have to be going for areo gaurds or something for that to be appealing - but it is your
car.... that just sounds awful to me..
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elephants ears not elephants feet,
just a fixed lense that replaces semaphores
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| posted on December 17th, 2009 at 07:22 PM |
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so no one has stumbled upon a minimum distance between??
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| posted on December 17th, 2009 at 08:38 PM |
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I don't believe there can be a minimum distance...
as it depends on the width of the car...
and there doesn't seem to be a minimum height either..
apart from headlamps...
early morris minor headlamps are illegal [low lights] as the headlamps are too low to the ground..
but the series one Land Rovers were legal even though their headlamps were close together in the grill...
unless the laws changed....
Now, what about cars with three headlamps..???
early Rovers.. and US cars..??
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| posted on December 17th, 2009 at 08:41 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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when doing the additions to my rear cage on the baja i thought it might look good to pt some LED lights in the cage and keep the guards looking
smooth.
can anyone tell me whether this is legal??
my main worry is the width between. i know there is a minimum with the front lights and there must be one for rear as well so does anyone know this
minimum distance??
cheers
Luke
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You could always use chromed brackets going from the roll cage to the tail lamps..
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There is a minimum distance between blinkers. From memory I think it is 600mm.
This applies to both front and rear.
In relation to blinkers in the headlight bucket, it is legal to do, so long as the whole headlight doesn't blink.
Cheers
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| posted on December 18th, 2009 at 11:33 PM |
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In relation to blinkers in the headlight bucket, it is legal to do, so long as the whole headlight doesn't blink.
Cheers
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Not according to the Mechanic who passes My Cars for rego each year...
when the headlamp is on.. [at night]
the orange bulb cannot be noticed...
but then there are quite a few of them on the road...
all registered..??
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also make sure Yout rear lights do face rearwards so drivers behind You can See You easily...
and you do need red reflectors also vertical..??
I have seen some of the new VW trikes with LEDs used...
there are a lot of things that You can do with them...
and they are getting brighter and lower in price...
[in China]
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something like this. except flat not angled upwards like his. and with blinkers of course
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9o1evs79roo
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Baja,
Check with the local rego people in your state, seems to be some conflicting information here,
most of it from NSW based people........ the rego laws are quite different in most states & a lot depends upon what was acceptable at the time of
car being first registered,
hence morris & land rovers still being legal as this was how they were built,
ADR's are specific to time / date of build.....
something that is accepted now may appear to be illegal in 10 - 20 years time when in fact it is not !
Step up to get out !!!
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In relation to blinkers in the headlight bucket, it is legal to do, so long as the whole headlight doesn't blink.
Cheers
D
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Not according to the Mechanic who passes My Cars for rego each year...
when the headlamp is on.. [at night]
the orange bulb cannot be noticed...
but then there are quite a few of them on the road...
all registered..??
LEE
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Have you notice the new mini headlights in the current model?
They have a blinker in them, and its OEM from the factory.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter what ANY mechanic says, it comes down to the engineering signatory.
Cheers
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My Son has a new Lancer and He says that many people cannot see His front blinkers when He's at an intersection...
as they are in with the headlamps...
but beetles never came out with blinkers in the headlamps...
not even in the USA...
and blinkers on the rear are red colored in the USA...
same as 1957 holdens, in which the stop lamp blinked..
that was only in the deluxe FE holden and may have been an optional extra?? as there wasn't many of those about..
from memory.. lol
Lee
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Lee, I think the problem is that your son is driving a lancer LoL
I agree that blinkers can be hard to see in the headlight assembly especially at night
It comes down to a cars design and that generally means that the lights are getting smaller in order to give the car its desired look.
We're getting off track, but I hope Luke was able to find the answers he needed in relation to tail lamps and their positioning.
Cheers
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so im getting that its something like 600mm?? also assuming that is edge to edge or would it be centre to centre?
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My Son has a new Lancer and He says that many people cannot see His front blinkers when He's at an intersection...
as they are in with the headlamps...
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I mean it in jest Lee, but i can't help wondering exactly how he knows this??
Do they catch him up, flag him to stop and then tell him?? lol
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I can't get my computer to load my copy of the ADRs but from memory the front and rear indicators must be no further than 400mm from the very outside
edge of the vehicle, including factory wheel arch flares.
I think that that 400mm also applies to tail lights, stop lights and reflectors.
If the indicator is not mounted above or below the tail light it must be outboard of the tail light/stop light.
If the car is older than the ADRs you don't need to comply with them, but if the car is dated after I think 1973 the the ADRs apply and you need to
check with the registration people.
You will probably find that they will have a complete explanation in a hand out.
I have found from experience that the new type white indicators with the coloured bulbs in them are not easy to see in bright glary conditions.
The old style orange indicator can be seen out of the corner of the eye, but the new types sometimes need to looked directly at, to be seen. I don't
like them and for that reason I don't trust them.
Whatever you want to do, I recommend the orange old style for greater safety.
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I have a 74 L bug and I was thinking of fitting either smoked coloured rear tail lights/blinkers or clear. Has anyone had any problems with the police
with them?
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Regs On Tails and Indicators
Unfortunately No !!
Unless your car rego has a Blue Slip Mod Report Number found on the bottom right of your rego paper, you may have to get one.
The Question to Bumber Indicators on a bug.
Distance is 125 Cm or 1.25m as the minimum distance, the regulation is based on a width of 80% a standard Lane on the road, anything showing
indicators or tail lights modified closer together than this measurement is illegal if modified, VW bugs are factory so they just pass, using the pre
1974 Act l.
RED TAILIGHT FLASHERS: Is a No No, some VW parts have full red lenses to cover some early types of bugs, these are illegal in all States In
Australia
CLEAR INDICATORS: Rear Clear Indicators are Illegal in QLD, though NSW and VIC accept them through Blu slip modification reports only, this
usually costing around $65
otherwise You must use Amber Lenses and Red Lenses in this case not the globes.
Also Front Indicator Clear lenses are Legal on all cars Pre 1974.
The Torana TAil light used and found on some bugs are Legal if with Blue Slip Mod Report found on the cars rego
The Photo of the white bug below shows an illegal Lens On The Car
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My Son has a new Lancer and He says that many people cannot see His front blinkers when He's at an intersection...
as they are in with the headlamps...
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I mean it in jest Lee, but i can't help wondering exactly how he knows this??
Do they catch him up, flag him to stop and then tell him?? lol
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My Son drives His $39,000 Lancer with the headlamps on all the time... and when at an intersection, the other drivers think He's going straight
ahead..
the indicators are on the inside of the headlamps...
NOT the outside as is usual...
plus they aren't very large...
semaphores were never used in the USA - as far as I know...
they had red blinkers back in the 50s.. maybe earlier..
the stop light used to blink...
thats why they still have red blinkers.. at the rear...
and they were used in Australia and the UK etc..
and were called trafficators...
57-58 holdens also had red blinkers... stop light blinked..
I believe they were an accessory back then..
LEE
PS: Legally... lenses should have numbers on them relating to the rules back when they were new..
smoked or red lenses are ILLEGAL...
BLUE DOTS are also ILLEGAL...
headlights that go to the Right when dipped are also illegal..
they usually have letters on the lens
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In relation to blinkers in the headlight bucket, it is legal to do, so long as the whole headlight doesn't blink.
Cheers
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I don't think the blinkers in the headlamps are legal...
as they are NOT original.... and very hard to see with the headlamps on... daytime or night...
LEE
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