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Superbug Searching - Completed!
Rather than clutter up other threads with my musings on Superbugs, I decided to start up a seperate thread.
I looked at two bugs this weekend. The first you may have seen in my Extractors question thread. THe yellowy green coloured 74 L.
I drove for over two hours each way to look at this car, armed with a unregistered vehicle permit, so I could test drive it. During the journey I
though I must be mad driving so far to look at a car that might be a bucket of poo.
Anyway, when I arrived, it was parked in the gravel driveway, and it looked great! Having read "How to Keep Your Volkswage Alive" again, I went
over it pretty thoroughly before I even started it. Then I took it for a 20min drive.
The good:
- The interior was really quite nice other than the headlining. There was just that tear on the drivers seat and a small crack on the dashtop. Even
the carpets were quite good.
- The dashboard had not been hacked for a modern stereo!!
- No rattles.
- Underneath the guards there was not even a hint of rust. Just dull paint in the same colour as the body. It looked completely original and almost
unmarked. No globules of underseal like you usually see!
- Everything seemed good in the front end, no split balljoint boots, no leaking struts, wheel bearings fine, bushes didn't seem to have any play.
- Bumpers, rubbers etc were excellent.
- Paint was original except for the front valance and bonnet. It may have had a minor tap in the front in the past. The paint was nice and glossy
all over.
- In the back both CV boots were intact and the diff felt nice and tight.
- It went really well. Accelerated heaps better than any of the bugs I have driven so far. Almost like it wasn't stock. It had a distinct burble at
idle like maybe there was a cam in there??
- Clutch fine.
- Gearbox fine. Shifter was beautiful to use. No slop!
- It had 51,000km on the clock with last service (in 2006) at 49,000km. It drove and looked like a 151,000km car rather than a 451,000km car, if you
get what I mean.
- The pans were RUST FREE. But the driver side one looked newer than the passenger side? Huh? See my notes below...
The bad:
- There was heaps of seam sealer where the drivers side pan met the centre tunnel. It was the only non-standard sealer on the entire car. I
scratched at it with my fingernal and discovered the whole pan had been replaced. It wasn't a brilliant job, having been welded in little blobs
every few inches rather than seam-welded properly. Worst of all, the pan was slightly bucked at one place, leaving a 3mm gap between the tunnel edge
and pan edge. Looks like it needed all the interior taken out and to be welded in properly. But the car was almost rust-free, so if the battery area
rusted, why did they replace the entire pan instead of just patch the rust? Odd. 
- The passengers seat seemed loose on the rails, like I could rattle it a few mm off the pan T rails??? I couldn't figure out what was wrong.
- The handbrake only worked on the left rear wheel.
- There was a really bad shimmy through the steering around 80-90km/h. Wheel balancing? Steering dampner?
- There were rust spots on both rear pillars and both front seams just in front of the doors. The photos the seller sent were the worst sides, the
other side in each case was less than 1c piece sized. It still had the "foam of death" in the rear pillars.
So the immediate fix it list:
- Weld the pan seam.
- Fix the shimmy. How?
- Seat rail?
- Oil leaks.
- Handbrake cable.
- Front discs and pads probably.
- Full service and tune.
- Bleed brakes.
Later:
- Headliner
- Rust issues before they get worse.
On the whole, not a bad little car.
The next car was a white 73L nearby. The asking price was nearly double the mustard one, and it had a recent serice history. So I had high hopes of
it being a great car.
I was sorely disappointed. It could only be described as "cosmeticaly challenged". A dodgy old respray coming off in chunks, signs of overspray on
rubbers and trim, minor rust scabs in the usual spots, damaged bumpers, broken door trims, knackered dash, wires hanging loose under the dash, ratty
carpets, split seats, a bad oil leak from a pushrod tube and under the strainer plate (How could a VW specialist leave it like that!?!). Worst of
all, the clutch took up only at the very end of the pedal travel, and it shuddered no matter how much I tried to slip it. I think the rear main was
leaking onto it, as it got better the more I drove it. It drove well otherwise, but the rest of the car just wasn't up to scratch. I asked him
about the clutch and he told me it had always been like that!?!
On the plus side, there were bills in the glovebox totalling about $2800 servicing, a second-hand replacement motor, brake work, rust repairs to the
pan and front inner guards and a few other bits.
So, I've discounted that one from my list. The seller virtually begged us to make an offer, as he wanted it gone. A shame because I someow felt
sorry for the car. I reckon the same money as the mustard car would have bought it, but it just didn't present as well. He was a nice guy, but it's
a car I'm buying, not a person. 
I'm not sure yet whether I should close the book and buy the mustard one or keep searching. It seems like a pretty good deal.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
Brett Nicholson
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| posted on April 18th, 2010 at 10:47 PM |
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In all honesty, the mustard bug doesnt seem too bad. The shimmy is easy to fix. I put urethane bushes in the front end and a new steering damper, and
a wheel alignment. It cost me $100 in parts and about an hour to change the parts. You must consider the front wheels need to be in balance and the
tyres of good tread,
The other mechanical items seem normal and you will have other service items come up needing to be done. It is the nature of older cars as you would
understand.
The rust in the rear pillars is very common. There is expanding foam put behind there from factory and it would be wise to scrape it out. The rust in
the front pillars doent sound too bad, however it is not fair to say it is nothing to worry about. Cars made of steel rust. This cannot be avoided and
you will need to investigate all sections of concern. The floor pan may be roadworthy, and it seems to be done with sealer, so if having that under
the car where you cannot see it does not worry you too much, then dont worry about it for now. If you buy the car and in 10 years you get to a stage
where you want to fully restore it, then you will have a good opportunity to have the floor pan done to perfection.
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| posted on April 19th, 2010 at 07:44 AM |
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Agree with above
The rust get fixed properly and rattle can over it just so it looks close in colour
Pan sounds ok
Probably needed more than a patch. Just check the seat rails
new pans have poor welding of the rails. Mine actually tore off once
Otherwise the plastic covers are probably missing on the rails
With the shimmies - get some spare control arms. Get new ball joints and bushings pushed in
Then it is a simple job to change them over.
Good chance the strut inserts have never been changed
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| posted on April 19th, 2010 at 04:50 PM |
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Thanks guys.
I'm not expecting perfection. It's a 35 year old car after all.
Other than the pan issue I was quite happy with the car. As it wasn't seam welded in properly I figured it would not meet RWC standards and would
need to be rewelded. The cosmetics aspect of it does not worry me, but even if it did meet RWC standards like that I'd stell redo the seam sealing
to make sure no water could get in.
I should have mentioned the tyres are new. The front and rear light lenses and the running boards look like they are new too.
Having a had a night to "sleep on it" I'm pretty sure I will buy this one. Will probably call up tonight and start the negotiations.
Stupidly I left my trolley jack handle there, so I have to go back to get that anyway! 
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| posted on April 20th, 2010 at 10:04 PM |
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Well, I now own a 74 L Bug. I pick it up this weekend.
I pretty excited, I've wanted a bug on-and-off since I was 14 and I'm now 36! 
My 3.5yo old son is VW mad (he gives them hugs when he sees them - but only air-cooled ones!) and he is VERY excited. So it's all good. 
EDIT: Thanks for all the help and advice from this forum. I would not have done it without you guys, and that's the truth.
Cheers,
Brett.
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| posted on April 20th, 2010 at 10:37 PM |
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Time to think of a name... Stay away from using mustard, that's my teritory.... Hahaha
Sounds awesome mate, supers are sick, you'll love it
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| posted on April 20th, 2010 at 11:00 PM |
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Congratulations. How about some photos when you get a chance.
From your ole' mate Jeff
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| posted on April 20th, 2010 at 11:12 PM |
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Pics 
There's no name yet, my classic cars usually name themselves soon enough.
I'll ask the old owner what she called her.
Cheers,
Brett.
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| posted on April 20th, 2010 at 11:54 PM |
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Looks a great find that one!
the shimmey could be wheel alignment but being a super its more then likely your steering damper, ball joints, any front end bushings...
first off check out the steering damper, also check out your steering box adjustment
Hand brake needs an adjustment if its only pulling one wheel
looks great though matey!
schnell!! schnell!! schnell!! schnell!!
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| posted on April 21st, 2010 at 12:28 AM |
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Looks like a good find to me, and especially for the money. Now the fun begins!
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| posted on April 21st, 2010 at 06:50 AM |
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Well I'm impressed.
From your ole' mate Jeff
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Brett,
Congratulations on your purchase the car looks to be in good condition and the move you drive it the more you will appreciate it.
What plans do you have for the car? and yes you need a name lol.
Bought my 69 (Rosie) a month ago and have been driving her every weekend, the commodore stays in the garage. You can see mine in the my69bug thread
under members rides.
Look forward to seeing more updates
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| posted on April 21st, 2010 at 08:10 AM |
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nice car.As soon as you get it ,get rid of the filter in the engine
compartment.from what i can see it looks like it is on the pressure side.
pretty sweet ride otherwise.
"A car for the people, an affordable Volkswagen, would bring great joy to the masses and the problems of building such a car must be faced with
courage."
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nothing screams mid 70s like martini olive
got an earlier dash fitted and the seats have been reupholstered but looks to be amazingly unmolested overall
Lbugs like that are getting hard to find
good score
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Martini Olive? So that's what the colour is called.
The fuel filter will be flung as soon as I get it home.
How can you tell it's an earlier dash? I thought all L dashes were the same. I also didn't realise it had been retrimmed. Not that it matters to
me really. I want it to be a tidy driver, not a concourse show car.
As for the name, in my collection I already have:
- "Mopoke" the Moke
- "Corrie" the Corona Coupe (also called "the sliver ghost" because one of my mates reckons it's rarely seen in public and renders people
speechless when it is.)
- "Trixie" the Mini Traveller
- "Mongrel" the Mini Racer
- "Beep Beep" the Corona Liftback - my son named that one.
- The Pathfinder is just "the Pathfinder"
This one might end up being "Vera the VW" or "Beryl the Beetle" or something similar. If the previous owner doesn't have a name for her that is.
It's apparently bad luck to change the name on a ship, so the same might apply to a car. 
I spoke to Gary from Wolfsburg Automotove in Geelong yesterday, and he reckons the shimmy could be the steering damper or the steering box. I reckon
it's not likely to be the box, as there is bugger-all play in it. Either way, it's not going to be expensive.
Basically I'll fix the obvious stuff, then take it for an RWC and see what it fails on, then work out what I will fix myself and what I will farm out
to Wolfsburg.
Cheers,
Brett Nicholson
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LOVE martini olive!!!
Joel - what do you mean early dash??
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| Quote: | Originally
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Time to think of a name...
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Do you have any other imaginary friends?
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| posted on April 21st, 2010 at 11:24 AM |
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the 73 dashes have a different defroster panel at the top and the round style glovebox catch like this one.
the glovebox lids cant be swapped cos the catch in the dash is different
74 and 75Lbug had the squeeze type and the plastic defroster outlets
with how good the condition of the dash is, it was a good chance it wasnt original anyway
count your blessings, most Lbug owners would kill for a dash that good
with your shimmys, more often than not its the wheels causing it
a quick easy expirement to try which often works is take one wheel off and rotate is 90degrees around with the wheels bolts, only do one side at a
time though and see if that makes any difference
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I was going to say, that ain't no mustard!!
Steve, no imaginary friends (well, just the ones who never want to talk to me... Darn you g people today with their facebook and rare face to face
meetings) , just a car that I love too much.
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Typical VW - changing things to improve them, but its so subtle that most don't notice.
I think the hazzard switch was mounted upside down, probably they messed that up when they replaced the dash.
I will have to get a dash cover to protect that dash! There was one on eBay last week, but I didn't need it then.
Other items on the immediate shopping list:
- Window winder handles - drivers one is broken, so I will replace both. Are there any durable alternatives available these days?
- The knobs on both seat tilts, to allow access to the rear, are missing. The tilts still work though, I tried them both using a screwdriver.
On the less immediate list of accessories.
- Child Restraint Points. Easily done if they are not there already? Anyone know when VW started fitting them. I had a poke around the firewall,
but could not find any captive nuts.
- A tow bar so I can tow the little trailer I built for the Moke.
- A decent stereo. It currently has a nasty no-name cassette player from the 80's. I don't want to cut the dash to fit a modern stereo. I've got
a nice 90's shaft model Kenwood tape deck sitting idle, so I will probably use that. Ideally I'd like a shaft model head unit with CD changer
control ability or an aux input. Some hope. Maybe I can find an old CD changer that uses the FM band. (Call me old school, but I prefer CD stackers
to MP3 players.)
Cheers,
Brett
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| Quote: | | Quote: | Originally
posted by bnicho
- Window winder handles - drivers one is broken, so I will replace both. Are there any durable alternatives available these days?
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Yep, you can get metal ones, forget the plastic originals, i broke 3 sets in a month. metal ones, 2 years nearly, and still awesome.
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Call me old school, but I prefer CD stackers to MP3 players.
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thats not oldschool.... just a bit silly. Why? MP3's = more music, no jamming, no in-betweeen time..... need I go on?
Mainly, if you want to upgrade to more powerful/quality speakers/subs/amps later, you will need a decent headunit. but, use what you have thats how money is saved!
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by colonel mustard
thats not oldschool.... just a bit silly. Why? MP3's = more music, no jamming, no in-betweeen time..... need I go on?
Mainly, if you want to upgrade to more powerful/quality speakers/subs/amps later, you will need a decent headunit. but, use what you have thats how money is saved!
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I'm not that into stereos, ultimate sound, subs etc don't interest me. A decent head unit, four speakers and maybe an amp will do. I just want to
play a few CD's I don't even have any music in MP3 format yet. Anyway, it's not a priority until the car is on the road.
Cheers,
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the window winder handles are a PITA, thats what drove me to installing power windows
the stock style break to easy and the chrome ones with holes like mustard mentioned if the knobs dont fall off its the fact there designed for a
standard bug and are too long for an Lbug so your hands hit the dash winding them
old datsun ones fit and are pretty strong but also incredibly ugly
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Hmm, do the winder handles screw on, or are they the type that have clips or pins that side out?
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they screw on
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they screw on
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Which of course is harder to find on non-VW's. Damn.
I though early Gemini might work, as they are short and interchange with Datsun 120Y's. (Some useless trivia for you!)
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LOVE martini olive!!!
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I did not like martini olive much at all when I first got my 75L, but it has grown on me over the years, and when I had it re-sprayed a couple of
years ago, I did it in martini olive - much to the annoyance of my wife and a number of other people I know.
It is a great colour - sometimes I don't get time to wash my car for months on end, and it doesn't look dirty (unless you look closely)
From your ole' mate Jeff
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I'm not so keen on the colour. I would have preferred blue, white or red (in that order). But I don't dislike it either. It suits the car's era.
I doubt I will ever chnage the colour anyway, because it's such a pain to do it properly - inside, outside, underside. I can't stand cars that are
one colour on the outside and a different colour in the engine bay, boot or door jambs. That's just tacky. 
Brett Nicholson
Melbourne, Victoria
1974 VW Superbug L - Olive
1971 Morris Mini Moke - Mopoke
1966 Austin Mini - Audrey
1965 Morris Mini Traveller - Trixie
2007 Land Rover Freelander 2
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- A decent stereo. It currently has a nasty no-name cassette player from the 80's. I don't want to cut the dash to fit a modern stereo. I've got
a nice 90's shaft model Kenwood tape deck sitting idle, so I will probably use that. Ideally I'd like a shaft model head unit with CD changer
control ability or an aux input. Some hope. Maybe I can find an old CD changer that uses the FM band. (Call me old school, but I prefer CD stackers
to MP3 players.)
Cheers,
Brett
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For my 69 I have bought a Kenwood system that has usb for the ipod as well as bluetooth for the phone.
Technology has come a long way when i had my first VW it was an inverter playing a portable cassette player, the funny thing is with all the
technology my new bug will be playing the same music as i did 30 years ago ACDC lol
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- Window winder handles - drivers one is broken, so I will replace both. Are there any durable alternatives available these days?
I had the same problem with my 74 1300 beetle. The cheap plastic replacements will break after 2weeks, The nobs fall off the chrome metal ones. So I
perchased a pair of brand new Genuine Volkswagen winders from Mick motors for $50.00. They work grate and are very solid and should last many years. I
hope.
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