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| posted on December 27th, 2010 at 04:57 PM |
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What's Involved In Changing Wheel Stud Pattern?
I have some Performance wheels on my 71 bug and in order to have a bigger choice I need to change the stud pattern. What are my options? I've been
told that simply redrilling a new stud pattern can be dodgy.
So if I don't go that way, what would need to be done and what $ am I looking at?
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| posted on December 27th, 2010 at 05:27 PM |
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the behickness st way is to get uniform thickness blank rotors
Normal rotors have web, a "+", on the back so they are only the correct thickness for 4 bolt wheels
Uniform thickness ensures you can drill any pattern on them
You can buy these off Sherman for (guessing) $175 each - so about $700 for the car
Remeber you get new rotors and drums for that of high quality
As to redriliing existing it is all to do with a single bolt pattern
I am unsure if redrilling, spot facing, and and putting "drive in studs" satisfies the rules - remembering you are drilling into the thin part.
It aint that much more to do it properly over just replacing your discs and rotors
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I have some Performance wheels on my 71 bug and in order to have a bigger choice I need to change the stud pattern. What are my options? I've been
told that simply redrilling a new stud pattern can be dodgy.
So if I don't go that way, what would need to be done and what $ am I looking at?
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its illegal to redrill your vw rotors/brake drums...
you can get adaptors for the wide 5 pattern on early beetles
to suit many different stud patterns... [again these are illegal in Australia]
but for 4 stud you need to replace the rotors and rear brake drums... for safety..
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| posted on December 27th, 2010 at 07:28 PM |
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What size rims you planning on running?
You wont get anything bigger than 15x6 with stock size springs under standard gaurds
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| posted on December 27th, 2010 at 08:38 PM |
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is re-drilling illegal??
I thought having 2 bolt patterns was the illegal bit??
Redrilling can be unsafe if you drill, tap and have wheel bolts where it is thin
You end up with 2 bolt patterns then - and my understanding was that was the illegal part
But I have never had a definite "illegal" with the spot face and hammer in studs
It is only one wheel pattern then
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| posted on December 27th, 2010 at 08:58 PM |
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is re-drilling illegal??
I thought having 2 bolt patterns was the illegal bit??
Redrilling can be unsafe if you drill, tap and have wheel bolts where it is thin
You end up with 2 bolt patterns then - and my understanding was that was the illegal part
But I have never had a definite "illegal" with the spot face and hammer in studs
It is only one wheel pattern then
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I believe drilling another set of bolt holes in the VW hub/rotors is the illegal bit...
and only because there isn't enough thread thickness...
SO, using the new thick Sherman hubs/rotors , You could possibly drill two sets of new holes for two patterns
legally..??
as many new mag wheels come with two sets of holes..
[maybe You could use 8 bolts/nuts too... lol ]
anyone know if having two sets of wheel bolts/holes in new rotors etc is illegal...??
I cannot see why? as spacers etc are legal in many countries
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| posted on December 27th, 2010 at 10:59 PM |
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id suggest going with the new drums/discs way of doing things, blank or with 4x100 or 4x114.3 and maybe a guard roller /thicker guard beading to
squeeze some common 17x7 wheels (very common very cheap) shouldnt have an issue with rego since they arent too wide either, just remember offsets in
the styles of rims you like will determine which pattern you want, dont use spacers to make it work & everything will be sweet, oh and if you want
to be really fussy, get them in an offset that doesnt narrow the track at all or widen it more than an inch & you shouldnt have an issue with the
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| posted on June 3rd, 2012 at 03:13 PM |
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Digging up my old thread. What about this to change the stud pattern?
http://www.vollks.com.au/store/VW-Beetle-Wheel-Adapters-9500.html
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| posted on June 3rd, 2012 at 03:37 PM |
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AFAIK adapters are illegal in all all states, certainly NSW anyway.
besides they widen the track to much to use on a superbug.
As Bizarre said if you want to be legal then get some blank drums and discs of one of the suppliers and have them drilled for your chosen pattern.
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| posted on June 3rd, 2012 at 03:40 PM |
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Alrighty. Any links please Joel?
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| posted on June 3rd, 2012 at 06:12 PM |
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Any of these guys will be able to help you out
http://www.volksconversions.com.au/
http://www.vintageveedub.com.au/
http://www.beetleracing.com.au/
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| posted on June 4th, 2012 at 10:27 PM |
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I still find it retarded yet funny that spacers are illegal over here yet a Porsche can have it's spacers fitted legally cos it came from the
manufacturers like that. Like as if there's any difference between a Porsche spacer and an aftermarket spacer 
Twin bolt patterns probably isn't allowed with blank rotors as most of the ADR rules let things slide IF it came from the manufacturers like that
Also, look elsewhere before settling on Sherman as I've seen his stuff and heard some stories about his gear that make me not wanna buy there 
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| posted on June 4th, 2012 at 10:30 PM |
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spacers can be legal, they just need to be engineered if they werent fitted as standard. also the spacer has to be mounted to the disc or drum.
i dont like sherman mainly because he quoted one price then all of a sudden it was plus gst and extras.
not happy.
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| posted on June 4th, 2012 at 11:09 PM |
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A spacer has to be permanently mounted to the hub so it cannot be forgotten when taking wheels on and off. It must not alter the entire wheel track by
25mm. Being measured from centre of tyre from standard.
Porsche spacers are fixed to the hub. They are legal.
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| posted on June 5th, 2012 at 12:54 PM |
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I understand DBA may be able to supply blank rotors. Would be worth a call
Cheers....Wayne
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| posted on June 5th, 2012 at 09:58 PM |
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well those last few responses are very interesting as after reading the NCP I couldn't see where it said that permenantly attached spacers are OK?
Still give me hope for my design of brake setup
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| posted on June 6th, 2012 at 06:39 AM |
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Spacers are illegal in NSW unless fitted by the manufacturer (eg Porsche, Torana XU1). It's in black and white.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!
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| posted on June 6th, 2012 at 07:09 AM |
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Spacers are illegal in NSW unless fitted by the manufacturer (eg Porsche, Torana XU1). It's in black and white.
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Just to confuse - "I believe" you can use then if you have the complete rear set up on say a 1303 beetle from a Porsche 944
I have seen a couple of beetles running spacers with engineers certificates uder this method.
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| posted on June 6th, 2012 at 07:39 AM |
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Well I now have SOME concrete information:
The front pair of discs drilled to any stud pattern is $350.00 pr. With studs inserted and the pair of rear drums are also $350.00pr. plus COD
postage.
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| posted on June 6th, 2012 at 02:29 PM |
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Spacers are illegal in NSW unless fitted by the manufacturer (eg Porsche, Torana XU1). It's in black and white.
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Just to confuse - "I believe" you can use then if you have the complete rear set up on say a 1303 beetle from a Porsche 944
I have seen a couple of beetles running spacers with engineers certificates uder this method.
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That just means that it is safe. It may not mean that it is legal.
I read it on samba, so it must be correct.
Sometimes Volkswagen dealers sell spare parts. Amazing isn't it!
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| posted on June 6th, 2012 at 11:46 PM |
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Spacers are illegal in NSW unless fitted by the manufacturer (eg Porsche, Torana XU1). It's in black and white.
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Just to confuse - "I believe" you can use then if you have the complete rear set up on say a 1303 beetle from a Porsche 944
I have seen a couple of beetles running spacers with engineers certificates uder this method.
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That just means that it is safe. It may not mean that it is legal.
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Hang on!!! How can an engineer certify something and yet it is still illegal. I do find that Oz regulations have a lack of definative definitionIt's
either yes or no with NO chance of it being mis-interpreted  .
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