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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 09:31 AM |
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Warning ** Demerit points for defects in NSW
Hi
My son had a bit of a run in with law a few weeks ago, he was caught drifting in his Skyline. He was finned for speeding and doing a burnout.
The car was also defected for a thumb size hole in the drivers seat and very minor crack in the seat belt buckle, these 2 defects attract a $258 fine
each but the killer is the 3 demerit points for each offence.
Ironically we were looking to buy new seats for the car to replace the ripped one leading up to this offence, my son is at uni and works at night in a
pub so his funds are limited.
We bought new seats from eBay for $143 a pair delivered to our door, much cheaper than the fine not to mention the loss of points.
The seatbelt was not in anyway dangerous or defective otherwise I wouldn't have let him drive the car without fixing it.
So he paid the fines, about $1250, then last week he got a letter in mail to say that he had accumulated 13 points, bye bye license for 3 months.
If he hadn't been driving recklessly the defect would probably not have been issued.
I've spoken to many of my colleagues in the motor industry, non was aware that defects would attract demerit points.
Steve
List of demerit defect offences
DEFECT NOTICES/LABELS
Use vehicle in breach of minor defect notice $258 1 point
USE VEHICLE NOT COMPLY WITH STANDARD Defective brakes $258 3 points
USE VEHICLE NOT COMPLY WITH STANDARD Defective seating $258
USE VEHICLE NOT COMPLY WITH STANDARD Defective steering $258 3 points
USE VEHICLE NOT COMPLY WITH STANDARD Seatbelt missing/defective $258 3 points
DEFECT NOTICES/LABELS Use vehicle in breach of major defect notice $344 3 points
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 09:47 AM |
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jeez thats a bit he wouldnt be from the penrith area would he they are very strict out my way
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 09:53 AM |
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Hi
We live in very quiet leafy Lugarno. He drives a very low red Skyline cop magnate, they got him coming home from work, he also has a bug but he
doesn't like leaving it outside work.
Steve
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 09:55 AM |
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Could you possibly take a photo of the hole in the seat ?
This is the first Ive heard of it as well !!
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 10:22 AM |
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Hi
The seats are in the bin now, I wonder if he had a seat covers would they have helped. There were no springs or anything poking out, just hole where
you could see foam.
Steve
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 11:28 AM |
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wow!
Thanx for the heads up, news to me also
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 11:49 AM |
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Had NO idea that you could get Points for defects- scary stuff. My guess is that he was picked on because of the car and the drifting offense. That's
a killer, sorry to hear about it
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 12:03 PM |
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arhh! that's BS.
wtf is wrong with this world. dirty bastards!
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 12:43 PM |
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Hi
On the RTA website it mentions such and such rule in 2007, si it may have been introdeuced then, there was talk of nationalising road rules. I'm
pretty sure that they have a similar rule in Qld, a friends son got done up there.
There no question, getting caught drifting brought him to the attention of the cops.
Steve
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 01:35 PM |
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Doing burnouts and drifting on the way home from work? What does he do on his days off? |
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 01:41 PM |
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We would most likely have the car impounded over here in SA if we got caught doing that.
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 03:49 PM |
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whats the issue with steering & brakes? you didnt mention anything relating to them....
IF its in decent condition it may of beeen worth arguing, could of just got the copper on a bad day...
last i saw the skyline it didnt look much different to the 10000s of other 'lines & pintaras floating around all over the country
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 03:58 PM |
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We can't get sideways anymore??? What is the world coming too??
The fines and demerits are not in keeping with the either the incident or the car.
System does seem to be more about $ than it is about saving lives (my 2c: oh and I am in my mid forties; not an 18yo)
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 04:20 PM |
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a good lesson early on, hopefully attracting the attention of the law for him and others in his situation will teach them a lesson they can carry with
them... saving money and grief to themselves and others in the future.
I remember being caught speeding when young and it taught me a lesson that's lasted 30 years
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 04:41 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by wolfgang54
I remember being caught speeding when young and it taught me a lesson that's lasted 30 years
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or you just haven't been caught since 
Steve, I am gathering this happened in dry weather. Also you mentioned speed and burnout, was that all part of the drift and was it a deliberate
burnout.
I am also surprised to hear about the points re defects. Sound like he just came across and arse hole copper and whom thought he might just show this
big fella (your son) who is the bigger man (so he thinks). Sounds like a c#*^ act to me, and I'm sure your son wouldn't have been a smart arse as
he his a very nice young fella.
Sorry to hear and I think I would have fought the defects from what you have said.
Kev.
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 06:10 PM |
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well no license makes life hard , He should think twice about it next time, when he get his license back.
As long as his mummy and daddy aren't runner him around to work etc, now that he doesn't have a license,
ps a seat cover would of been good.
the rules are funny.
If you had mags and wheel nuts missing or broken BAD.
but you could only have two wheel nuts on each wheel under a hub cap GOOD. As you not allowed to removed hub caps to check..
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 06:16 PM |
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aah reminds me of when I was young and stupid !!!
life was good back in the days of the automatic cordia turbo highway patrol cars a mildly hotted bug could usually outrun em not now these commodores
and falcons hammer
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 06:22 PM |
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Do the crime, do the time.
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 06:43 PM |
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So he got done on this one.
USE VEHICLE NOT COMPLY WITH STANDARD Seatbelt missing/defective $258 3 points
In Vic, that drift/ burnout offence would be 2 days impound plus towing, impound fees on top of fines.
2nd offence is 3 months impound
3rd offence lose car forever.
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 06:57 PM |
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Im pretty sure next time its 3 months paying the government to hold your car and neglect it and the time after that they keep it
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 06:59 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by zjm
aah reminds me of when I was young and stupid !!!
life was good back in the days of the automatic cordia turbo highway patrol cars a mildly hotted bug could usually outrun em not now these commodores
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haha thats what got me, cordia.
pre emissions versions first year or two they were released were a lot more powerful
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 07:52 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by vassy66T1
We can't get sideways anymore??? What is the world coming too??
The fines and demerits are not in keeping with the either the incident or the car.
System does seem to be more about $ than it is about saving lives (my 2c: oh and I am in my mid forties; not an 18yo)
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I agree. how are young people suppose to learn the ins and outs of their cars and know how to handle them properly in real situations.
its all about making money.
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 07:59 PM |
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Saw a Cordia get pulled over the other days by the cops, and it wasn't even blowing smoke (must have run out of oil)  . Not sure what he did wrong, but given the traffic we were
in it wasn't speeding.
Most likely driving a Cordia will attract attention from the cops by itself. They're now rare enough to have the cops remember who you are,
especially if you've got form.
Personally I preferred the look of the Starion (I was in primary school and yet to develop taste). Didn't they used to run Starions in touring cars?
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 08:46 PM |
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that's just the biggest load of crap I've heard!!!
Seriously, losing points for defects??!!!! and this came about 4 years ago, never heard of it till you mentioned it Steve.
Sounds like the pollies passing this through in the quiet early hours of a morning, so that the public don't get the chance to dispute it.
The timing sounds about right when the clown (can't remember his name) that was running for Bondi (what ever that electorate is) he was pushing to
get cars impounding if you were caught doing burnouts and the like. It could have been passed at the same time so no one knew....
Hypothetically speaking, what would happen if I was driving a courtesy car and the cops pulled me over for a RBT (and in case your wondering, yes,
I'm a sensible driver) and the cops deemed the car defective, would I have to wear the defective fines as well as the accumulation of points against
my license??
Seriously, the next thing this government is going to want from all of us is our blood as the money is obviously not enough!!
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 09:25 PM |
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Doesn't "Use vehicle in breach of major defect notice" imply that he was driving after being defected??
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 10:23 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Wild1
Doesn't "Use vehicle in breach of major defect notice" imply that he was driving after being defected??
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Hi
He only got done for a seat belt and seat, I listed the other offences that attract demerit points out of interest.
It seems inconsistent that "Use vehicle in breach of major defect notice" still only attracts 3 points
He didn't actually do a burnout, he stepped it out going around a corner in the dry, they called it a burnout, he could have gone for dangerous
driving which is a worse fine wise.
They could have taken the car we thought he got off OK, lots of fines and loss of points until we got the letter in mail. The speeding under 10 kph
luckily.
Flinstones, alot of the grief now is from Michael Daily the ex roads minister, he hates modified cars.
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| posted on March 21st, 2011 at 10:58 PM |
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Having paid for my share of police xmas parties in my 20's I sympathise BUT whether you agree with the law it is still the law and one which we all
have to adhere to. Best thing I can think of is keep your nose clean and car up to scratch and you wont be put in this situation. Secondly know the
rules, seeing how the internet is not being used as it was intended (ie: porn) the laws are considered in the public domain once posted on a website,
so bookmark the RTA site folks is all I can recommend and check in on it now and again.
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| posted on March 22nd, 2011 at 05:58 AM |
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Conform or Walk , nice choice. Unfair laws will always be circumvented, as they should.
Laws are there to insure public order not to be used as a tool of abuse or control. My2c
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posted by Craig S
Saw a Cordia get pulled over the other days by the cops, and it wasn't even blowing smoke (must have run out of oil) . Not sure what he did wrong, but given the traffic we were
in it wasn't speeding.
Most likely driving a Cordia will attract attention from the cops by itself. They're now rare enough to have the cops remember who you are,
especially if you've got form.
Personally I preferred the look of the Starion (I was in primary school and yet to develop taste). Didn't they used to run Starions in touring cars?
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Starions were quite rare... IMHO
seat belt attached to the door... lol
but the little turbo Cordias were used by NSW Highway patrol
while awaiting a new V8 Commodore to come out..
Also, on seat belts Steve...
the very early seat belt material would NEVER Fray... it was as tough as... not like today's belts...
which fray on the edges very easily....
I believe a seat belt could be frayed on the edge up to 25mm and the belt would still be safe...
its funny how pedal rubbers were needed to get Your car passed for rego... now they can put a flat slippery pedal cover on and its OK..???
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| posted on March 22nd, 2011 at 11:26 AM |
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Hi
I want to make it clear I'm not condoning what my son did, I just wanted to let people know about the defect issues attracting demerit points.
I put new Klippen seatbelts in both our bugs and the Skyline, all of them wont release from the fully retracted spot occasionally, mostly if your on a
slight slope, so you have to move the car a bit to get them to release.
Steve
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