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 t_tuffnut
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| posted on August 12th, 2011 at 09:01 PM |
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How many horses will I have?
Hi all,
I have an engine in the works at the moment. It is a 1600 tp bug engine with dual 36 carbs and an engle 110 cam. What sort of rough hp would I be
lookIng at?
Cheers
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| posted on August 13th, 2011 at 05:37 AM |
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A 1600 T/P with a 110 cam won,t pull the skin off a Custard down low, also it won't do much at the top end either.
I would take a guess and say maximum HP would be 70 BHP at the hubs.........
Harsh but true and u asked ......
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| posted on August 13th, 2011 at 08:00 AM |
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Whats all this negativity about 1600's with that cam and twins?? They are a good reliable combo and have plenty of pull if your looking for just a
bit more than standard. When i had my baja, If i had to choose between the 1916 i had and the 1600's my mates both had i would happily settle for the
1600. As i have said before if it can turn 33" mudders in the sand all day and not even look like being underpowered then it's not too bad. Bottom
line is, mate... as log as you don't wanna go racing and blow the doors off vl's it'll be fine. To be honest 70bhp is probably a stretch, I reckon
it'd be more like 60bhp depending on heads, but don't knock it till you try it. It doesn't sound like much but it will be a noticeable difference.
Good luck with it. By the way, i'm no expert or engine builder, I'm just basing my opinion on experience with 3 of those 1600/110cam combos, the
dyno results and performance from them.
Mick.
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| posted on August 13th, 2011 at 08:09 AM |
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?
Keeping it real !
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| posted on August 13th, 2011 at 08:41 AM |
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Nothing harsh about it - I would be stoked with 70! It's going to beat my current standard 1300 sp with buggered rings that smokes like a chimney and
fills the car with petrol fumes.
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| posted on August 13th, 2011 at 09:00 AM |
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personally I doubt you would get 70 at the wheels
A 1600 gets 40 ponies at the whels if you are lucky - seen too many dyno days for anyone to doubt this
A set of dual IDF 36's, cam and exhaust will add 25-30%. 50% if you are REAL careful with the build and do head work
That is a BLOODY big increase for little input and it will be BLOODY noticeable
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| posted on August 13th, 2011 at 11:51 AM |
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Well, I'm fitting twin 36mm IDFs and a sidewinder exhaust to my 1600TP. Hopefully it'll be jetted and tuned on Monday. Only stock internals, but
I'm hoping to get a nice performance increase. The horsepower figure is just a number, it's the driving enjoyment that counts!
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| posted on August 13th, 2011 at 11:57 AM |
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prob around 55 to 60 depending on the dyno
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| posted on August 13th, 2011 at 12:21 PM |
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Just check out the newest VWMA Dyno mania story , They seem to have more accurate dyno HP number s
 
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| posted on August 13th, 2011 at 12:23 PM |
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Even 60 would be good. I know it won't be a track weapon any time soon, but that bit extra poke will be nice. Last drive I went on I was struggling
to keep up with the stock kombis, while the bugs and type 3 s left me for dead.
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| posted on August 13th, 2011 at 12:30 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by HoneyAbba
I would take a guess and say maximum HP would be 70 BHP at the hubs.........
Harsh but true and u asked ......
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That combo with standard heads might just make 70hp but thats at the flywheel.
would be lucky to hit over 50 at the treads.
But that is heaps in a bug though.
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| posted on August 13th, 2011 at 02:20 PM |
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My guess is you would be a winner if you manage to get 50 HP at the wheels by just doing that !!
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| posted on August 13th, 2011 at 09:26 PM |
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depends who builds it , there are too many variables but i have built at least 2 vee engines that achieved those numbers or close to it, they have
less cam than a 110.
if its just slapped together then you will only make 45ish bhp at the hubs . I don't know anyone with an engine dyno thats checked out veedub
engines real output but most rolling roads lie lots .
Any way that combo is overcammed IMO....
take it or leave it .
i am not being negative just realistic.
I was presented with Scat turn key 1916 it only made 66Hp @ the hubs until I made a few changes , then when the guy had it retested it made a quite
impressive 120 hp.
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| posted on August 14th, 2011 at 09:30 AM |
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You only changed a few things and doubled the HP?
it's a Scat 1916.... don't wanna sound like a dick but
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| posted on August 14th, 2011 at 12:16 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by ian.mezz
Just check out the newest VWMA Dyno mania story , They seem to have more accurate dyno HP number s
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Yeah was interesting numbers there.....some of the cars with captions attached to the pics were suffering various "issues" on the day, pity that
wasn't pointed out ;(
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| posted on August 14th, 2011 at 02:32 PM |
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I was a bit confused by the numbers and how the different engines compared - I figured that the numbers weren't from fresh engines and that some of
those builds had a bit of wear on them or other goodies changing the numbers a bit.
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| posted on August 14th, 2011 at 03:22 PM |
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http://forums.aussieveedubbers.com/viewtopic.php?tid=90363&page=3
You shoul be happy to get between 40 and 50 hp at the wheels
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| posted on August 14th, 2011 at 04:46 PM |
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Differant dynos, differant builders,no two engines will ever run the same HP even if built using the same parts.
Theres engine builders and there is "engine builders"
Oils ain't oils.
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| posted on August 14th, 2011 at 05:53 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
You only changed a few things and doubled the HP?
it's a Scat 1916.... don't wanna sound like a dick but
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Well Joel I don't know why I need to tell you anything about Vw engines cause you already no it all. B/S.........
But the dyno I use is accurate very repeatable and I only stated the facts.
Its not a yankee non corrected piece of shit , its Lab quality.
I don't like what you are implying with that post and I am in no mood to take shit from a boy.
So pull your head out of your arse and get your hand off it
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| posted on August 14th, 2011 at 08:03 PM |
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Geez, someone got a truck load of sand in their vag today.
Lighten up, it's a public forum, you're gonna get peoples opinions whether you like them or not.
Alt+f4 is your friend.
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| posted on August 14th, 2011 at 08:20 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by hellbugged
| Quote: | Originally
posted by ian.mezz
Just check out the newest VWMA Dyno mania story , They seem to have more accurate dyno HP number s
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Yeah was interesting numbers there.....some of the cars with captions attached to the pics were suffering various "issues" on the day, pity that
wasn't pointed out ;(
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Too true
Tony's manx was only running on 3 cylinders (literally)
I discovered that one of the nuts holding down my RHS manifold was loose enough to cause the annoying popping from fresh air giving it a lean
condition at low revs and WOT.
Aahhh the joys 
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| posted on August 14th, 2011 at 08:57 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
Geez, someone got a truck load of sand in their vag today.
Lighten up, it's a public forum, you're gonna get peoples opinions whether you like them or not.
Alt+f4 is your friend.
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Ok U2U me your phone number, you called me a liar and we need to sort this out in private. Or are you too much of a sissy ?
I will call you sometime Tomorow or when its convenient for you otherwise please remove your lies from the this post
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| posted on August 14th, 2011 at 09:20 PM |
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play nice peoples.
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| posted on August 14th, 2011 at 09:22 PM |
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I think a few people need a chill pill
I dont see anyone calling anyone a liar.
Yes - he is suggesting your claim of "until I made a few changes" is unlikely
But if it is true, then maybe tell us what you did to double the output.
You have been on here 10 days and already starting to come on fairly strong.
If you were drinking in a new pub, would a person carry on like this
Yes it is a public forum and we all need to behave
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| posted on August 14th, 2011 at 10:01 PM |
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Getting this thread deleted over a bit of name calling is not helping anyone especially the OP.
Bizarre put what I meant in more tactful terms, you put a pretty out there statement like that up and no info to back it up which is what this thread
is about.
No I haven't been building VW engines for the last 40 years but I've knocked together enough modified motors to know you're not gonna pump a 1916
from 66 at the wheels to 120 with a jetting change **
(** denotes sarcasm)
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 05:20 AM |
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Who said anything about jetting ?
Plenty of others have built 1916 engines that put out more power than that , so just because in your limited experience it may seem unrealistic it
does not mean it B/S.
Why don't you stop hiding in your bedroom behind a computer screen and send me your phone number so we can sort this out in private.
I don't need to disclose exactly what changes were made to that engine , but the were as I said a few changes made. The engine was completely
stripped down and
rebuilt to a much higher standard .
The engle 110 cam was replaced with something more suitable to the application. Most engine builders would know that that cam choice won't make much
HP in that
size engine. The original post was in relation to a 110 cam, I was on topic but joel had no helpful input.
If we were in a pub I would be happy to talk to Joel face to face , but he is too much of a sissy to send me his phone number he would rather cause
hassles while
hiding behind a screen.
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 05:26 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Joel
You only changed a few things and doubled the HP?
it's a Scat 1916.... don't wanna sound like a dick but
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Bizzare this is post that annoyed me , that pic says that I am full of B/S.
Why don't you ask Joel to remove it ?
You guys are admin right ?
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 06:57 AM |
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to make things clear HoneyAbba - I am a moderator. Not Admin.
Skool prefect - not head master
Whatever - spirited debate is where forums can go.
Yes - it was suggested that you claim "may" be BS
But to be fair - in the 15years of VW forums I have seem MANY people blow in and say they have 120 REAL rear wheel horsepower at the wheels. In
reality I have only seen a hand full of cars like that - and most of them grenades. Most of the blow in experts are soon gone.
Note that I am NOT suggesting this of anyone here. Just stating past history
All that was being asked was for facts.
You are the one that has come on strong with the name calling and demanding phone numbers to "sort things out"
At the moment this "spiritedness" can continue to see if we can get some real information - but if it degenerates into threats and name calling it
will go to the ether
Futue te ipsum!!!
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 07:24 AM |
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Honey abba
Please tell us what sort of changes that were made to double the HP
If its easy it would be of benefit to all of us and we can have more fun with of VWs
so where are you located ??? in Aussie or ??
From the sounds of it you had a complete strip and rebuild with a bigger cam shaft thats a lot of work and i bet it wasnt cheap
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 08:45 AM |
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First of all it's "a few changes" which turns out to be a strip and full rebuild ,cam change ect.
Come on enlighten us, what few changes did you make?
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