| [ Total Views: 1460 | Total Replies: 46 | Thread Id: 93408 ] |
| Pages: 1 2 |
|
|
 SebastienPeek
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1657
Threads: 89
Registered: May 31st, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: UltimaBB Pro White
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 09:35 PM |
|
|
URGENT, NEED HELP: Wiring Gone Wrong
Alright, so it was finally time to put the new guards on Zelda.
Everything bolted on perfectly. I did the wiring and then, well, we tried the brakes, and the indicators, and nothing.
I got a bit further. Currently, I have parkers (on full brightness) and indicators. When I push my brake down, it doesn't do anything whatsoever.
My current wiring is as follows (the exact same on both sides).
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Need this to be fixed before morning!
|
|
|
Brad
Wolfsburg Elder
Posts: 3764
Threads: 332
Registered: August 24th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SE QLD, Mt Nebo
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Manx Buggy Building
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 09:48 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by SebastienPeek
Currently, I have parkers (on full brightness) and indicators. When I push my brake down, it doesn't do anything whatsoever.
|
Expalin parks on full brightness ?
If you have any lights then that means you have earth as they all use a common. I would suggest you check your bulb bases as they look like
aftermarket assemblies and the quality of the bulb holders often lets them down.
|
|
|
SebastienPeek
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1657
Threads: 89
Registered: May 31st, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: UltimaBB Pro White
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 09:49 PM |
|
|
Hey Brad,
I'm uploading a video to YouTube to explain this all in fullness.
I can give it a go. I'm willing to give anything a go, I need this done by tomorrow morning at 9am.
|
|
|
SebastienPeek
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1657
Threads: 89
Registered: May 31st, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: UltimaBB Pro White
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 09:51 PM |
|
|
And by parkers on full brightness I mean it is as if my foot was on the brake pedal.
Parkers are supposed to be dim, and then when the foot is applied to the brake pedal, they go full brightness.
But instead, they're always full brightness.
|
|
|
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 09:54 PM |
|
|
the light fixture needs to be earthed to the car for any lights to work...
parkers are the very small bulbs... in the headlamps...
not very bright... for parking...
Headlamps - High and Low also need to be earthed to the car otherwise both filiments glow...
one brighter then the other as it needs the earth wire to the car
normally cars get the earth from the guards when they are bolted on...
but if there is paint under the bolts, it won't work...
best to add earth wires if there aren't any there..
You can put a wire from a guard bolt to the light or as I did, I added earth wires and attached the end of the wire to a small self tapping screw on
the body of the car..
and the other end to a screw or terminal on the lamp...
power has to flow from the battery back to the battery for the lamps to work...
best of luck
Lee
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
|
|
|
Brad
Wolfsburg Elder
Posts: 3764
Threads: 332
Registered: August 24th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SE QLD, Mt Nebo
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Manx Buggy Building
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 09:54 PM |
|
|
yeah ok so you have the parkers and brake wires backwards, are you testing it on the car ? If not at least plug the earth wire back into the cluster
so you aren't getting feedback through your circuit.
What year beetle is this ?
|
|
|
 matberry
Super Moderator
Go hard or go home
Posts: 8114
Threads: 134
Registered: March 7th, 2006
Member Is Offline
Location: Cooroy Qld
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue
Mood: enjoying waving at all my Kombi buddies from my T3
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 09:54 PM |
|
|
Your missing the brown earth wire from chassis to reflector/light base.
Matt Berry Motorsports...air cooled advice, repairs and mods Ph 0408 704 662
OFF-ROAD,CIRCUIT,DRAG,STREET,ENDURANCE
 |
|
|
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 09:58 PM |
|
|
but the earth wire need to be connected to the tail lamp assembly base for the lights to work properly
Dim and Bright
LEE
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
|
|
|
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 09:59 PM |
|
|
see the earth terminal on Your tail lamp assembly bracket with no wire on it??
it needs to connected to the body of the car
LEE
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
|
|
|
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 10:02 PM |
|
|
have You actually bolted the tail lamps to the guards???
anyway there should be a brown earth wire to connect to the tail lamp terminal
then they will work
LEE
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
|
|
|
SebastienPeek
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1657
Threads: 89
Registered: May 31st, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: UltimaBB Pro White
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 10:30 PM |
|
|
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FdTq-5BeRU
|
|
|
SebastienPeek
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1657
Threads: 89
Registered: May 31st, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: UltimaBB Pro White
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 10:35 PM |
|
|
This is the new wiring.
Also replaced the housing with original ones not the reproduction.
|
|
|
Brad
Wolfsburg Elder
Posts: 3764
Threads: 332
Registered: August 24th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SE QLD, Mt Nebo
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Manx Buggy Building
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 10:35 PM |
|
|
rear lights are not LHS and RHS so fis your RHS so it is the same as your LHS and swap the brake and tail over. The mounts are LHS and RHS but the
lights aren't.
Hook up your earth
|
|
|
SebastienPeek
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1657
Threads: 89
Registered: May 31st, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: UltimaBB Pro White
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 10:37 PM |
|
|
Okay, so from what I can gather I need to earth each taillight assembly to the chassis.
That's what the now added in brown wire does.
Still the same issue though.
|
|
|
Brad
Wolfsburg Elder
Posts: 3764
Threads: 332
Registered: August 24th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SE QLD, Mt Nebo
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Manx Buggy Building
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 10:37 PM |
|
|
Also why an L Bug without reverse light ?
Brake light is presure switch I would not be suprised if sitting a box on it, even a full one did not activate it. Push the pedal with your foot
|
|
|
SebastienPeek
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1657
Threads: 89
Registered: May 31st, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: UltimaBB Pro White
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 10:40 PM |
|
|
Have been testing with my foot now, same issue.
The reverse light wiring has been screwed with, I need a full day of just tracing wires to get it done.
I have tonight/now to get the brakes working for tomorrow morning.
Each assembly should have the same wires in the same spots, correct?
Each should also be grounded to the chassis?
Is that what the brown wire is for that is already being passed under to the fender?
I'm going to assume so anyway.
|
|
|
SebastienPeek
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1657
Threads: 89
Registered: May 31st, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: UltimaBB Pro White
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 10:41 PM |
|
|
Actually, what is that mustard coloured wire for?
Should I be connecting my brown/earth to it or should I go straight to the chassis myself?
|
|
|
Brad
Wolfsburg Elder
Posts: 3764
Threads: 332
Registered: August 24th, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SE QLD, Mt Nebo
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: Manx Buggy Building
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 10:43 PM |
|
|
Correct, reverse wire is simple you should have a fuse in the engine bay that takes power from the coil ignition and runs it to the reverse light
switch on the transmission and then up to the reverse lights.
Brake lights - check you haven't blown your fuse, check you have power to the switch on the M/C, then just unplug the non powered wire and touch it
on the powered wire and make sure they light up.
Brake switches fail all the time so don't be suprised if that is what has happened.
|
|
|
snitz
Wolfsburg Wizard
Posts: 605
Threads: 37
Registered: September 28th, 2008
Member Is Offline
Location: Adelaide.. the defect and taser state..
Theme: UltimaBB Psyche Red
Mood: "Bug"gered
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 10:44 PM |
|
|
Swap globes left to right and check that no filaments in the globes are blown or are all the globes new?..
|
|
|
SebastienPeek
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1657
Threads: 89
Registered: May 31st, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: UltimaBB Pro White
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 10:46 PM |
|
|
Mine isn't that simple. It has been spliced to kingdom come.
Fuse, not blown.
What does M/C stand for?
How am I supposed to drive her without brake lights?
Should I call work and tell them I can't make it till later in the afternoon and take her to an auto-electrician in the morning?
|
|
|
SebastienPeek
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1657
Threads: 89
Registered: May 31st, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: UltimaBB Pro White
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 10:47 PM |
|
|
All globes are brand new... 
|
|
|
bajachris88
A.k.a.: Chris Leete
23 Windows of Awesome
The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 672.
Posts: 6661
Threads: 534
Registered: April 8th, 2005
Member Is Offline
Location: Tanah Merah, SE-QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: A bee bit ma' bottom, now ma' bottom's big!
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 11:01 PM |
|
|
m/c = master cylinder
If you use a flat head to short the two prongs on the master switch, it should turn your brake lights on.
If it doesn't turn on, see if you have current at either:
1) At the brake light switch at the master cylinder (use some wire and a spare light bulb etc, or better yet, a multimeter)
2) At the brake light wire at the tail light, check for current/voltage, even by plugging into 'say' the indicator light bulb, you just want that
glow to isolate the problem.
NOW! I had issues with my brake lights... it was due to 2 things. 1: corrosion in the bulb housing. and two, if you see the clip in the bulb housing
(that holds in the brake light bulb yea?) that clip at the bottom 'Pushes' into the bulb. Sometimes it can get bent and not push hard enough into
the base of the bulb to make a great contact. simply remove the bulb and rebend the clip slightly to put a bit more tension on the bulb.
And of course, be 100% positive that the light housing is earthed, and the earth wire is connected to a nice clean blade plug at the light housing in
case corrosion is insulating it. again, a multimeter could be used to check this (through the resistance measurement to check for 'continuity' in
the circuit IE: making sure the housing is somewhat able to contact to teh chassis, but if testing this way to check the earth, disconnect all wires
but the earth wire to see if it is working).
goodluck 
(ô_!_/ô) (ô_!_/ô)
69' baja: kombi box, thing spindles, irs, disc front, type 3 rear drums, 2 inch lift kit, 31x10 rears.
New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta! |
|
|
SebastienPeek
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1657
Threads: 89
Registered: May 31st, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: UltimaBB Pro White
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 11:01 PM |
|
|
I gave up.
Taking her to an auto-electrician tomorrow morning.
Thanks everyone that landed a hand!
|
|
|
bajachris88
A.k.a.: Chris Leete
23 Windows of Awesome
The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 672.
Posts: 6661
Threads: 534
Registered: April 8th, 2005
Member Is Offline
Location: Tanah Merah, SE-QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: A bee bit ma' bottom, now ma' bottom's big!
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 11:02 PM |
|
|
dude u will get charged like a mofo! you can nail this!
pity ur not local.
(ô_!_/ô) (ô_!_/ô)
69' baja: kombi box, thing spindles, irs, disc front, type 3 rear drums, 2 inch lift kit, 31x10 rears.
New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta! |
|
|
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 11:02 PM |
|
|
| Quote: | Originally
posted by SebastienPeek
Have been testing with my foot now, same issue.
The reverse light wiring has been screwed with, I need a full day of just tracing wires to get it done.
I have tonight/now to get the brakes working for tomorrow morning.
Each assembly should have the same wires in the same spots, correct?
Each should also be grounded to the chassis?
Is that what the brown wire is for that is already being passed under to the fender?
I'm going to assume so anyway.
|
Yes
that brown wires supplies the earth for all lights..
and If Your tail lights were going bright without the earth wires that means YOUR brake switch IS working OK
otherwise that wouldn't happen
it also wouldn't happen if a filiment was burnt out..
so, all You need is the earth wire to be connected up..
if it doesn't work.. then just make up an extra wire yourself
LEE
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
|
|
|
SebastienPeek
Custom Title Time!
Posts: 1657
Threads: 89
Registered: May 31st, 2011
Member Is Offline
Location: Melbourne
Theme: UltimaBB Pro White
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 11:08 PM |
|
|
Lee,
I connected up that wire, and nothing changed. Still no brakes when I push the brake pedal.
Chris,
Yeah, I know I'll get charged high as they can charge me, so I'll try what you said in the morning.
I'll get a mate to come over with a multimeter and we'll nail this.
Sometimes I just wished everything I did with Zelda was smooth sailing. Seems everything goes to shits.
I have a new master cylinder lined up anyway seeing as though one of the things are splitting.
|
|
|
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 11:11 PM |
|
|
Hi
just connect a piece of wire to the body bare metal and touch the other end of the wire to the silver metal bit on your tail lamps sebastien
that is all it needs
Lee
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
|
|
|
bajachris88
A.k.a.: Chris Leete
23 Windows of Awesome
The international telephone dialing code for Antarctica is 672.
Posts: 6661
Threads: 534
Registered: April 8th, 2005
Member Is Offline
Location: Tanah Merah, SE-QLD
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Blue ( Default )
Mood: A bee bit ma' bottom, now ma' bottom's big!
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 11:12 PM |
|
|
you'll nail it.
its always the case with the bug. But after the first time you fix a specific problem, every other time ends up a walk in the park.
By the time you replaced everything on it, you'll be right lol (tis what i'm going through now  , always 'something' to fix that puts its hand up for attention after another problem is cured)
(ô_!_/ô) (ô_!_/ô)
69' baja: kombi box, thing spindles, irs, disc front, type 3 rear drums, 2 inch lift kit, 31x10 rears.
New engine in process: 94mm p&bs, 74mm C/w chomol Crank, 35.5x39 SP heads, turbo. Wierd combo, hopeful torque monsta! |
|
|
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 11:13 PM |
|
|
you would have needed an earth wire as your last guards were fibreglass
Lee
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
|
|
|
68AutoBug
A.k.a.: Lee Noonan
Aircooled Master
Beetle Restorer - Experience over 138% - YIKES --
Posts: 11654
Threads: 449
Registered: August 31st, 2002
Member Is Offline
Location: SCONE in UPPER HUNTER VALLEY NSW
Theme: UltimaBB Pro Yellow
Mood: Really Mentally Ill - all of the time -
|
| posted on October 26th, 2011 at 11:15 PM |
|
|
if all the lights worked before
and the lights changed when you pushed the brake pedal..
that is normal when the earth wire is disconnected
Lee
'
- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
|
|
|
| Pages: 1 2 |
