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 BenettonVW
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| posted on October 2nd, 2002 at 08:25 PM |
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Been a while.. Listen up!
Believe it or not, I am still here and a functional member of the forum.. Just not as functional as before. Until recently I had averaged around 4
hours a day on this forum, and got it to the point where everyone was happy and the forum was successful. Now, my situation has changed, and I work 6
days a week, so spend roughly 20-30 minutes on here nightly.
Admittingly, the move to the new server has changed a few things. Not everyone came over to the new site which was fine as we wanted to filter out the
inactive members to gage some accurate member figures. Personally, I don't like the new forum... Don't know why... Just... Don't like
it.. But that doesn't mean I am giving up on it or not visiting or anything like that and never has.. I'm here just like before..
Along with the change of location became an unwritten change in the hierachy, as Andrew was helping Brad and myself; actually, no just those two.. I
used to just pilot this thing, they are the mechanics! So things even like settings I haven't participated in whatsoever. Essentially Brad and
Andrew have carried over the themes of the previous forum to a new location. With the new location comes different surroundings and rules, some of
which are more exposed now than a week or two ago..
The forum has always as an Australian communication tool between Vee Dubbers, and not only that but something that needed input from the members.
Changes have always been done through the opinions and approval of members, which unfortunetly has lacked lately, but will resume again shortly. We
can't achieve changes if people leave the site in a huff, regardless of reason.
Time for member participation. Other than points that we are now aware of, what are we doing wrong? What can be improved? What do you like? What do
you dislike? FEEDBACK PEOPLE
Cheers, and remember, it can never be too low..
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| posted on October 2nd, 2002 at 09:41 PM |
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OK, I'll be the 1st one then.
I still enjoy the forum immensly. Only thing I have been noticing lately that we have lost our simplisity, sense of humor and light hearted attitute.
We are very quick in having a go at each other because of the smallist thing. I tell you what, this is a sure way to bring the forum to an end because
simply people will start leaving even if there weren't involved directly. We come here to enjoy ourselves not to read swearing & bitching or
watch some people on power trips or ego raising experience. Lets go back to the days where we all helped each other without insulting others for any
reason. I think the motto for the Forum should be "If you are not easy going & willing to have a good time talking about your VW, then get
out. This place is better off with you". I am really not refering to anyone in particular. I am just expressing my feeling about how the Forum
progressed.
I still enjoy the forum very much and it will be a real shame to see it go away. We shouldn't let this happen
Cheers
Raf
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| posted on October 2nd, 2002 at 10:03 PM |
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I'm here for the long haul  I enjoy it now as much as I did before.
The recent ruckus did concern me as I thought it may have broken the forum but hopefully it's time to move on and the incident will become a bad
memory, well that's on my wishlist anyway.
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 12:13 AM |
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It took me a while to get used to the new forum but it's grown on me.
Still feel a little detached from who's about unless I go back to the main page to see or check the buddy list, getting used to it.
Messed up a few post because I didn't bother looking into all the functions available here and tried to do things the old way.
Attaching pics is so much easier now
It is a great community of Vee Dubbers here and I don't think events of the past week or so can destroy that. A lot of members chose to ignore
and kept on with VW discussions probably hoping it would blow over which I think it is starting to do (?) At least people are communicating about it
and trying to resolve issues.
There is still humour going on out there just the incident seemed to dominate for a while.
Cheers
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 06:13 AM |
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I'd love to believe you brother, I really would. But I think you should know.
"And as for talking with members before making a decision......It's completely impractical."
(Vanderaj 2/10/2002)
So much for input & discussion.
The new hierachy is Brad AND Andrew.
You think so?
The part missing out of that quotation goes on about how ANDREW won't FORCE moderators / administrators to do anything.
Who did you say was in charge again??
I haven't heard much from Brad, but by christ, his dog's been doing some barking.
You want my input
MUZZLE THE BLOODY DOG.
But, as it's the same person who has decided getting input is impractical, I don't like your chances.
[Edited on 2-10-2002 by Spook]
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 07:25 AM |
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Look u have all missed the point
and the point is BEER
BEER fixes everthing.
Bring on the BEER !!!
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 09:32 AM |
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I have created a moderators/administrator's forum for discussion, and so basically, the moderators (who should have been doing their jobs) will
be discussing how things are going more regularly. Hopefully, we can return things to your normal bat channel soon!
I unfortunately missed last night's first moderator's meeting due to baby sitting committments at my friends... who had a firewall that
wasn't going to play with the Java applet. I hope the meeting went well.
Andrew
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 09:59 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Spook
"And as for talking with members before making a decision......It's completely impractical."
(Vanderaj 2/10/2002)
So much for input & discussion.
I haven't heard much from Brad, but by christ, his dog's been doing some barking.
You want my input
MUZZLE THE BLOODY DOG.
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Please read the entire quote. Again you selectively quote me to make it look like the worst possible light. I said that it's impractical for
moderators / administrators to poll for every single thing they do. A forum like this needs tending 1-2 hours every day to keep it going. Moderation
is a very small part of that.
Let state this straight up, as you seem to be ignoring it EVERY TIME I post since this issue started:
* I don't wish to moderate - I will only act when the official moderators don't
* I've made it possible for all moderators to moderate any board as we haven't heard from some of the moderators for some time. This means
that with some luck, I wont have to moderate any more posts / threads.
* I have modified my moderation activities such that I ask Brad & Jim before doing ... and have been doing so.
* I don't make policy on the fly any more
* Upon Kruizin's suggestion, we put into place regular moderator meetings (8.30 pm last Wednesday every month) in the Chat room. Feel free to
join us
* Created a moderator's paradise forum for discussions like this so that we can more easily coordinate process, etc.
I really don't know how much else we can do to satisfy you, Spook. I've never met you and yet you seem to really hate me. You are my Eninem
to my Moby.
Andrew
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 10:54 AM |
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I have no real probs with the new forum, just took a few visits to get used to it, but
I will say that I agree with Karmannghia60 and that people are flyin off the handle very quickly.
As a relitavely young, new dubber the forum, is great to get valueable information
Matt
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 11:16 AM |
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its fine here but i miss the simple click to look at next topic function. thats about all i miss, o yeah and what Jen said about online listing.
i agree totally with Raf (KG60) as everyone is taking what people say way too seriousely and getting all cut. they are putting their point forward and
you yours so dont cry about it or swear. What do we so often say about VW mods......different strokes for different volks !
everyone is starting to sound like a stinky stubbern old narrow minded stan zermaneck ! he sh!ts me !
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 11:25 AM |
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I still love the forum. Apart from the fact that I am a net-junky, the forum is also really useful. Until getting involved in the forum it was very
difficult for me to ask questions or source parts, being 'outside the circle' down here in Gippsland. I met quite a few people from here
during my travels to Qld last January and I have to say that they were an extremely friendly, hospitable and helpful bunch, and they all made the trip
something that I think I will remember fondly for a long time. You just not in the VW scene until you've drank beer with Dave!!:thumb:
As for the 'new' forum, I still like it, after getting accustomed to it. I LOVE the way the new forum hosts pictures so we don't have
to upload them somewhere else! Much quicker and simpler. I would like to see some improvements in functionality (Re: the ability to add/delete
pictures from within the 'Edit Post' function) but I've discussed this with Andrew, and he assures me that a fix is in the (near?)
future.
Two things I don't like about the forum:
1. The usual net troublemakers that you find anywhere you go. I don't see any point in continually logging on with new accounts when you've
been banned already. No, I'm not going to name names, but if you're here to cause trouble, we don't want you.
2. People slagging off at each other. If you don't have anything positive to say, then shut up. We're here to talk Volkswagens, any sort.
Try to do it in a polite and positive manner.
Jim, Brad AND Andrew, you're doing a great job guys.   :thumb:thumb:thumb:thumb
Kruizin Kol
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 12:46 PM |
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I'm a newbie of this forum as of a few weeks ago now, since I got motivated with the 'dub, and I think on the whole it seems pretty good to
me.
I'm usually at http://www.performanceforums.com as they cover all makes,
but there's very few VW people there. One thing they have there is a Feedback section, where members and users can post suggestions, complaints
and general comments about the forums themselves. this works pretty well I think.
So far everyone on this forum I've communicated with has been helpful and polite (at least since satan-god boy got banned :P).
I dont know the whole story with what Spook has been complaining about, but from where I sit at the moment I would like to suggest Spook and Vangeraj
be donated to a university for experiments :P
If it aint broke,
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 01:10 PM |
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Hi All
I am here but am flat out at the moment and will respond at greater lengths later tonight.
The forum...... I am guessing all this comes from No Nudity ?? If that is correct then my opinion is get over it. If this is censorship then taht is
the price we pay for having a free forum with a bandwith of over 5GB per month. I can't please evryone. |
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 02:35 PM |
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This is the best VW forum I've found. Bar none.
Admittedly I didnt know this place existed a couple of weeks ago, but seriously, this is an excellent forum. With what seems on the whole to be a
great bunch of people on it, with a huge range of different opinions, cars, and the like.
I think this forum is great.
my 2c worth
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 03:44 PM |
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That's what I'm talking about.
I reply to a thread from our lord & master, & before he gets to reply that dog is barking again.
You want the whole thing? Fine.
"And as for talking with members before making a decision, I don't going to force moderators/administrator to run a poll every time we need
to do something to the forum. It's completely impractical."
Still want to convince me there is two ways to read that?
It says the members can get stuffed.
But then we are all "moaning fish wives" anyway.
See Andrew, I do read your posts.
And you last one, well, obviously your the saviour of the forum. The fact that your the only one who thought it needed saving is irrelevant.
Seems to me, it was doing fine before you fixed it.
No Brad, it's not about the nudity. It's about HOW it was done, not what was done.
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 06:27 PM |
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Get over it Spook. Andrew has put a lot of work into getting the new forum together, and yes it DID need saving, the ads on the old forum were
driving most people insane.
The money to get rid of the ads was not available, and Brad kindly offered to let us use his server.
Andrew has apologised for how he deleted the posts without discussion, what more can he do?
If you can't get over it, please do go away. The trauma you are causing now by dragging it out is way worse than anything Andrew did.
Lets get back to the vee dubbing!!!!!!
Jay
Part of Melbourne's Unreal Aircooled VW Community
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 06:42 PM |
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whoa... easy guys!
well, i read the start of this thread and i couldnt work out what the events of the last week were
ive been on here quite often lately and i will continue, regardless of the bickering thats going on. i think that the point of jims message seems to
have been lost on some people, and thats the one of enjoyment.....
chill out guys, if there are real issues going on then u can keep it private, not posted.
I reckon the new forum is great jim, thanks for encouraging the feedback.
i must say tho that this is one area that should be addressed as the new forum grows.
i understand that in the early stages there are alot of decisions that need to be made without consulting everyone, but i also think that the time has
come for discussion and feedback, cos this new system is definately up and running.
here goes...
1.i m happy cos i finally (cant beleive it took this long) read the instruction s on avator posting
yes it finally works
...... (see how easy it is ti rejoice in the little things)
2. i like the U2U messages, which i used for the 1st time 2nite. its a good way to keep things more private rather than posting absolutley
everything.
3. some people need to be banned from this place pronto. i dont think i need to point fingers.
4. remember... this place was built on fun and generosity. lets not let the success of the old forum be wasted by the fear of change.
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 06:47 PM |
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well said
ok, that previous post took a while to write, but i think it is well summed up in the one prior...
...can i also say:
"glad to hear you re still with us jim, i was having my doubts for a while, but i understand.....
....hope the job works out mate"
PS does that mean the porn collection is still up for sale?
maybe u could post some images here?
dont think it would cause any probs :P
PPS beer is ALWAYS the answer.
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| posted on October 3rd, 2002 at 07:08 PM |
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A few issues I may address from the above replies.
I think it is important to ask members about any changes, as it is, and always has been, their
forum. I don't care about wasting time or creating hassles.. The mods, and more likely the admin must do it. Without it, the members are
no longer involved in the evolution process of the forum.. Eventually evolving into the 'perfect' forum that pleases everyone. Call me
niave, but I think it exists.
I have no doubt that Andrew's job to this day is fantastic, but some methods of doing or changing things may need to be addressed and I believe
it has already done so.
I agree that some mods have gone MIA, so maybe their case needs to be reassessed. Some are on holidays, maybe some are ill, but they need to be
contacted. I do however disagree to giving all the moderators powers to all forums... The mods have been previously hand picked for their particular
sections. This specially includes the General Chat section, the busiest. This was traditionally my section, then became Brads as well, and then
BLKBUG's. The last thing we want is random deleting of posts.. Not saying that it will happen, but after all, there is such a thing as freedom of
speech. We want to hear peoples opinions.
Lastly, I still believe in membership before reading this forum, as it would cut down a lot of current problems, and give us more info on the members
such as IP addresses and so on for serial pests or whatever.
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Jim, please see my post in Moderator's Paradise on the mod vs supermod thing.
It has to do 95% with unworkable auth bugs in XMB, and less than 5% with the MIA moderators. Most of the active forums also have actively
participating moderators.
Andrew
ps. Send us your avatar image. I'll fix that up.
[Edited on 3-10-2002 by vanderaj]
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I think enough has been said ...
At the end of the day I think most people are happy with the new forum. Enough has been said on what occured in the past. If there is to be blame then
it should be mine. I am the one who has the restrictions on nudity.
I would be happy with members only to view as it would reduce the bandwidth this place is using. Maybe we limit some sections to members only..
I thinks it is a good idea to get feedback and input from members when there is a descision to be made, but when enforcing the law is what is done
then the only input they can have is on how the law is enforced not on weather or not it it.
Unless of course we want to levy the members and make this place self funded but we have been down that road before 
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I'm not really aware of what's raised this (- nuduty?!!) but I have to say I love the new forum. I'm glad you have a sponsor we can
trust and that you can keep this free - helping out the newcomers is just _so_ VW! If you have certain protagonists who are causing trouble, give me
a few details privately - we have a coder associated with our business who's a bit of a whiz, he might be able to help. As for nudity - we
don't need it: there's plenty on the net, and, think of a prominent aussie Auto Mag that just went the way of the dodo by including it - the
VW scene needs all the support it can get; especially this forum!
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My 2c worth
When we changed from ezyboard to here no-one ever mentioned anything on what you can and cannot post. Most of us just went on our merry way of posting
as we did at ezyboard. I say thank you to Andrew for allowing us to use his server, but to change something in a group or club without prior
consultation or warning is going to put a few noses out of joint. The horse has bolted now so there is no point in trying to catching it. Before any
changes to the forum are set a concenus or vote shouild be taken, before the change takes effect.
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Ive been watching this from a distance for a while now, sitting the fence if you will,
and I think its time to get past it.
I can understand how the move to the new server, the new restrictions and change in power structure have put a few noses out of joint but is it really
worth all this agro?
We are here now and must abide by the rules of the new server.
What would you have us do- go back to ezboard and put up with ads or pay the money to keep them away ? Neither of these are very attractive
options.
we have a very large membership but very few committed members. As all the polls in the past have shown not many members vote on the important
things.
In the end Brad, Jim and Andrew are the guys whose buts are on the line if we get cautioned or fined for breaching the guidelines sure we are all
members and enjoy the privilages of being members of the forum but in the end the buck stops with them. Sometimes they have to make decisions for the
better of all. It's the same as it is in life - we are all governed by a set of rules for the good of all. Sure we might not always like it or
always agree with it and sometimes it might not seem fair, but if we all did what we felt like, society would be one big mess!
If we want to have a say in how the forum is run encourage the guys in charge- tell them what you'd like, get everyone involved.
By encouraging the things you like in others they are much more likely to do those things!
If there is one thing that I can bring to this debate, it is the promise that if we keep on going the way we have been with all this bickering and
carrying on, we will not only loose the guys who are disgruntled at the moment, but everyone will get sick of this and leave. It will kill the good
vibe that has been here for so long. I for one would prefer not to see this happen as I really love this forum.
Take a step back guys, look at the big picture, and get back to talking about VW's!
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| posted on October 4th, 2002 at 08:51 AM |
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well put Type 82,
I fully understand, and accept that there are legal and commercial realities that Brad has to consider when hosting a public site and am happy to
abide by the rules. Every thing costs and not always in money. If the cost of using this site is a small loss of personal freedom then I'll
pay!!!
Personally I hate this site & the old one. Everytime I sit at my computer to work or study, I get drawn into it. Not getting anything done!!At
this rate I'll probably loose my job and fail all my courses.
I personally blame Jim, Brad & Andrew for the stong possibilty that i'll soon be outa work and remain uneducated.
Seriuosly tho its a good site and one that I really enjoy. It has been a little quieter than usual lately. :thumb
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by haugmichael
I say thank you to Andrew for allowing us to use his server
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It's not my server - it's Brad's. I just help out here.
Andrew
[Edited on 4-10-2002 by vanderaj]
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Green T4
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| posted on October 4th, 2002 at 10:23 AM |
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Thank you Brad for the new site. I think it's fine, pics are much easier to post.
As this is done through you, and obviously you have rules to follow on what may & may not be acceptable to post, I think you are justified to take
any action you deem necessary to protect you & the forum.....
Keep up the good work.
My 2c worth.....
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| posted on October 4th, 2002 at 10:32 AM |
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but seriously folks (my two bobs worth)
Wow Guys I thought that the forum and volkswagens was all about haviing fun expressing ourselves and generally not taking life to seriously. Maybe I
am wrong. Some people would say grow up but I think the opposite should be said. Taking offence or causing offence is much the same thing in my
opinion.
This forum is my favorite part of the WWW and a break from the the strees of other more mundane things in life.
Lets just enjoy and "peace and love to all".
PS On the nude and rude stuff - my thoughts are keep it reasonable , put a warning on it and everyone is happy
Dazed and Confused
and riding a pushi
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empi
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| posted on October 4th, 2002 at 01:07 PM |
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washing hands
I agree with Paul 150%
Why does there have to be so much attitude between all vee dub nuts, after all they are only cars.
After much thought i cannot be botherd with all the soap opera drama that goes along with it . I just wanna meet a few people and make a few
buddies,and have fun.
GET OVER IT !!
As for the nude stuff i'm ok with it ,
but i like to keep my vws and naked women seperate (stimulation overload)
I do know of web sites that do cater for these perversions .
My 2c
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empi
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| posted on October 4th, 2002 at 01:10 PM |
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hello
Hi to Jim been wonderin where you been at, good to see you here.
email me
cheers
empi
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