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| posted on November 27th, 2012 at 12:34 PM |
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Do you need braided ADR compliant brake hoses?
Bought a brake upgrade for the other car and it comes with custom brake hoses, the hoses were not cheap but looked amazing quality and had ADR
compliance markings all the way up the hose.
anyway this is what the hose was manufactured with.
http://www.brakequip.com.au/braided-brake-hose
plenty of businesses around who can make you a hose using brakequip system.
Anyone else using these hoses?
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| posted on November 27th, 2012 at 01:36 PM |
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I had a set made yesterday, plenty of places make them, just have to comply to the ADR's.
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| posted on November 27th, 2012 at 01:56 PM |
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same brakequip lines?
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| posted on November 27th, 2012 at 03:01 PM |
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There is a difference between ADR Compliant and ADR Approved.
Nearby to me is one of very few true ADR Approved manufacturers that supply all new motorcycle manufacturers with ADR Approved hoses and brake
equipment. It took this business 9 and a half years to gain the necessary government accreditation and I have seen first hand the difference in
products. I helped a competitor business set up thier air cooled VW catalog of brake hoses, only to find the manufactured hoses inferior, un
roadworthy and definately illegal (not ADR Approved) brake hoses. Thay had all sorts of meaningless codes on the crimps, but definately not the real
deal. The true ADR Appoved hoses are manufactured in a strict environment and will have been tested at high pressure for 1 minute and logged down to
who made it and when. I dont have pics of the approved crimps but could probably get some. A set of 4 upto 500mm are around $380 IIRC
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| posted on November 27th, 2012 at 03:27 PM |
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yeah mine has the ADR paper work, can get a copy if I require and the cost of 2 hoses were $150.
not sure who manufactured it but after all this talk I am curious to find out.
Just been talking to some guys at a wrecker who also sell a similar upgrade to the one i bought and they had to stop selling the hoses (manufactured
in Thomastown) due to a guy blowing a hose after 6 months and smashing straight into the car in front 
was some inferior hose, the tube itself blew not the crimp, some investigation is going on with them. scary shit! no joking matter.
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| posted on November 27th, 2012 at 04:01 PM |
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If you look on the end of the hose there is a three digit number, in the case of my hose's suppliers it is 998, this is there ADR approval number to
manufacture the hoses. the place that made mine have been making them for nine years.
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| posted on November 27th, 2012 at 04:14 PM |
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Here is a link to the ADR Approved hose manufacturer that I know. They have 35 years experience.
http://www.johnstamnas.com/
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| posted on November 27th, 2012 at 05:15 PM |
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DONT buy CHINESE shit or so call origional replacements
BUY genuine ATE replacements then you wont have any problems with registration or certification
ATE flex rubber hoses are approx 40 bucks each replace all of them when doing the job
Dont F around when your life depends on it
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| posted on November 27th, 2012 at 06:07 PM |
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All right for standard aplications but useless once you start upgrading the braking system, just be certain that any aftermarket hoses assembled by a
ADR approved company.
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 03:30 PM |
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I am pretty sure mine are as the guy said he can give my the paper work if required, he runs the upgrade on his own car and many been sold with no
legal problems nor failures, but I am going in be proactive about it and find out for sure before I go put them on.
Had a good look at the hoses, the crimp looks far better than genuine hose for comparison, also noted the hose itself is made USA as well as the
fittings.
Anyway thanks Matbery for the link, will definitely look into them for my type 3 as there might be some custom hoses needed for the R31 calipers on
the rear.
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 03:41 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by vw54
DONT buy CHINESE shit or so call origional replacements
BUY genuine ATE replacements then you wont have any problems with registration or certification
ATE flex rubber hoses are approx 40 bucks each replace all of them when doing the job
Dont F around when your life depends on it
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who said anything about buying Chinese?
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 04:52 PM |
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some repetable VW parts places sell CHINESE CRAP
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 06:29 PM |
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Dunno if you can get em in Oz but Goodridge hoses in the UK are great quality and used on many factory race cars.
Dunno if they'd be ok under ADR but should be as I use kunifer instead of crappy steel bundy for solid lines as it don't rust or stress fracture
like copper and complies with J1047  ADR is rather antiqainted in some
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 07:01 PM |
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I think you will find for the hose to be legal they need to have the three digit number which is the companies ADR approval number to Manufacture them
in Australia, i have a set of goodridge one and they do not have the correct type of fitting to comply.
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 07:14 PM |
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Keep replacing the rubber hoses on my vw every 10 years or so( 3 times) , along with fluid and shoes, then again it hasn'y travelled too far (25k) in
the last ten years. Then my honda (1983) motorcycle (daily commuter) i replaced rubber with braided lines from brisbane, made a point of showing then
at pink slip time and the guy had no problems , now i only; hit taxis on purpose.
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| posted on November 28th, 2012 at 07:21 PM |
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The Goodridge brand is what John Stamnas (see my link above) uses, it has high quality gear being Aerospace based. The point I'm trying to make is
it's not only the brand of fittings. but also the assembling and testing proceedure that make the difference to being ADR 'compliant' or
'approved', one of which is meaningless.
Australia has the highest standards in the world, some may be antiquated (sp) but some for good reason. Our vehicles have the highest mileage/average
speed than other countries due to our large distances between cities/towns and high temperature/UV averages and climate conditions, bad roads too
that work brake hoses......get the idea. Not that I'm being an ADR Nazi, but when brake hoses fail........it may be a nasty picture.
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| posted on November 29th, 2012 at 08:08 AM |
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I totally agree, I can't stress enough how important to have the right quality parts that wont end up killing you other other, but worst of all
damaging your car!
its truly amazing the amount of stress each components go through for many 10s of 1000s of ks and it only takes one to fail and total your car and
even get killed.
I look at everything now, even the bolts and washers I use.
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| posted on November 29th, 2012 at 08:15 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by vwo60
I think you will find for the hose to be legal they need to have the three digit number which is the companies ADR approval number to Manufacture them
in Australia, i have a set of goodridge one and they do not have the correct type of fitting to comply.
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Obviously not made by an ADR aproved manufacturer. I guarantee more than a 3 digit # is on the true 'approved' hoses.
Shayne, your close by, come around sometime and I'll show you the difference first hand.
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| posted on November 29th, 2012 at 02:11 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by vwo60
I think you will find for the hose to be legal they need to have the three digit number which is the companies ADR approval number to Manufacture them
in Australia, i have a set of goodridge one and they do not have the correct type of fitting to comply.
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Which is bull crap cos they are used throughout the northern hemisphere in most major racing events.
Like I said the ADR is rather antiqainted in quite a few respects.
And yea Oz has some harsh conditions but these hoses have to survive high chlorine enviroments in many northen hemisphere countries and much damper,
dirty conditions and doing 70mph for hundreds of miles isn't really a problem so long as the vehicle has been well maintained but that's my view on
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| posted on November 29th, 2012 at 03:23 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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posted by vwo60
I think you will find for the hose to be legal they need to have the three digit number which is the companies ADR approval number to Manufacture them
in Australia, i have a set of goodridge one and they do not have the correct type of fitting to comply.
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Obviously not made by an ADR aproved manufacturer. I guarantee more than a 3 digit # is on the true compliant hoses.
Shayne, your close by, come around sometime and I'll show you the difference first hand.
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Ill check mine, its has ADR followed by a long code of some sort.
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| posted on November 29th, 2012 at 03:36 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by REDKG
Keep replacing the rubber hoses on my vw every 10 years or so( 3 times) , along with fluid and shoes, then again it hasn'y travelled too far (25k) in
the last ten years. Then my honda (1983) motorcycle (daily commuter) i replaced rubber with braided lines from brisbane, made a point of showing then
at pink slip time and the guy had no problems , now i only; hit taxis on purpose.
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done 300,000km 20 years + on all original hoses on my daily driver, I check everything regularly, hoses look good even the 20 year old EFI hoses were
fine, replaced them as the ends got too squashed and had no hose left to cut and reach but the rubber was still perfect, keeping them in an emergency
as they look better than what I replaced it with. I am surprised everything holds up so well for such an old tired bomb.
Wont be on the road too much longer though. Will be getting a rolla next year for improved economy and maybe air con will be good for a change.
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