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 ptjcmaavw
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| posted on May 17th, 2015 at 12:33 PM |
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But i do agree with Karmann141! 
"Jake has asked to see pictures of hydraulic clutch conversions – NOT which is better, hydraulic or cable."
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| posted on May 19th, 2015 at 09:18 PM |
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What sort of a MORON are you that you just don’t get it ???  –
Jake has asked to see pictures of hydraulic clutch conversions – NOT which is better, hydraulic or cable. Why can’t you get it through your thick
skull? No-one is arguing with you. A cable is fine but he doesn’t f_ _ _king want one.
When I spoke to you in Warwick, I lost count of the times you told me you were a mechanic – who are trying to convince? As for announcing that
you’re a “member of the institute of automotive mechanical engineers for the last 30 years” – any monkey can be a member as long as you pay
the annual fee. You would have been better off spending your annual membership fee on toilet paper.
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thank you karmann
haha oh well at least the thread is good for a laugh! my dad is a mechanic and part of iame, no major, just get little books telling you about the
latest and greatest thats being released in my modern cars and bulletins on problems arising, they are a good read. i have worked with my dad for a
good 6 years in the workshop and i have learnt there is definitely more to being called a mechanic then just oils and spark plugs changes and timing
belt replacements.
now I'm studying mechanical engneering at uni currently.. I'm in third year and currently doing fluids course but also have completed kinematics and
dynamics, and if you asked any engineer in the place on which is more effective and efficient they would take the hydraulics route everytime. from
serviceability and repair point of view it is much more supirior...as i said previously, there must be a reason they always use hydraulics now.. and
it aint due to engine being close to feet area.....considering that every super car/hypercar is mid/rear engine mount...and ill garentteee its a
hydraulic setup proviso car is manual.
if you ask my opinion I'm surprised they haven't made the clutch servo controlled or something ridiculous like that, like a dsg.. that is if you
know how the new 7 spd dry clutch works ian.mezz..
stop being ignorant that a cable is the best, because its not. sure it works and is cheap for back in the day...but with the technology we have in
hydraulics and brake fluid now ill be betting on hydraulics getting the job done with a much higher efficiency while producing more feel and with less
pedal play and less force needed
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| posted on May 19th, 2015 at 09:59 PM |
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I have done the same conversion, If you use the same clutch set up with the hydraulic actuation it will still require the same amount of effort at the
pedal to disengage the clutch, use a smaller master cylinder so it requires less effort and then you might not get the travel required, hydraulics is
the way to go, but not using the standard throw out fork and bearing, use the throw out bearing that fits around the input shaft, very common on new
vehicles, just an example. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MCLEOD-HYDRAULIC-THROW-OUT-BEARING-KIT-BOLT-ON-SUI...
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| posted on May 20th, 2015 at 09:25 AM |
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I have done the same conversion, If you use the same clutch set up with the hydraulic actuation it will still require the same amount of effort at the
pedal to disengage the clutch, use a smaller master cylinder so it requires less effort and then you might not get the travel required, hydraulics is
the way to go, but not using the standard throw out fork and bearing, use the throw out bearing that fits around the input shaft, very common on new
vehicles, just an example. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/MCLEOD-HYDRAULIC-THROW-OUT-BEARING-KIT-BOLT-ON-SUI...
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ahh now i get what your talking about, concentric slave cylinder, yes could be a way to make the hydraulics application more effective for sure, just
getting one that works may take awhile
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| posted on May 20th, 2015 at 09:35 AM |
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here is the part i designed and made to weld in for the conversion at the pedals, fits a treat
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| posted on May 20th, 2015 at 09:36 AM |
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a few more
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| posted on May 20th, 2015 at 12:19 PM |
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Hi
The superbug m/c has an angled mount flange which would move bolt holes to a better location but what you've done looks good. I had a m/c mounted
reservoiur for a little while on my car, it was a pain, I went back to a VW one located in the boot, I also teed of it to feed the clutch m/c.
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| posted on May 20th, 2015 at 02:30 PM |
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Move the reservoir as Steve suggests, brake fluid is hydroscopic and will absorbed water through the breather hole, last thing you want, all mine have
the reservoir in the boot. when I did mine I tig welded the holes up in the mount and drill new ones.
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| posted on May 20th, 2015 at 03:43 PM |
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Neat work!
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| posted on May 20th, 2015 at 04:17 PM |
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Move the reservoir as Steve suggests, brake fluid is hydroscopic and will absorbed water through the breather hole, last thing you want, all mine have
the reservoir in the boot. when I did mine I tig welded the holes up in the mount and drill new ones.
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Hi
The superbug m/c has an angled mount flange which would move bolt holes to a better location but what you've done looks good. I had a m/c mounted
reservoiur for a little while on my car, it was a pain, I went back to a VW one located in the boot, I also teed of it to feed the clutch m/c.
Steve
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i know that the brake fluid is hydroscopic and that it will absorb water easier there but its the fact that it is a lot neater down there and will
make the boot a lot cleaner in the country buggy, is the breather in the lid?
i know most can't, but as dad has a workshop i can test the water content in the fluid and change it when needed. it will be done often anyway as i
have an unlimited supply. and I'm not concerned with location for filling as we have a pressure bleeding machine that just screws on the lid to make
it easy.
i know for most its not ideal at all and would be a pain, but for me it doesn't really matter
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Neat work!
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cheers! I'm really happy with it, would be quite a simple thing to install to if someone wanted to convert, no one has really offered a part that can
weld in simply with out chopping and guesswork ever so i made my own.
only slight amount of grinding on the flanges to fit them beside each other
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| posted on May 20th, 2015 at 06:29 PM |
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Very good job, a breather would work if the lids are tight enough. the water usually ends up in the calipers and wheel cylinders.
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| posted on May 21st, 2015 at 12:02 PM |
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fitting the brake lines will be tricky, unless you're using 90deg fittings ?
-you forgot holes for the hardline to pass through for the rear if your using stock locations for the long line x2
besides that, don't forget to massage the body lip out of the way over your new brake MC location 
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| posted on May 21st, 2015 at 07:47 PM |
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yeah thinking 90 fittings for it, just need to find some. and then re routing all the lines through the tunnel to clean up the floor.
and then the body lip yes, a little notch out of it should do the trick i hope
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| posted on May 25th, 2015 at 05:37 PM |
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Why?
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I prefer the feel of cable but and a big BUT is the likelihood of breaking off the tube inside the tunnel when running a heavier clutch, even happens
on standard ones given the age of the cars now.
reliability would be why I would like a hydo setup.
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| posted on May 25th, 2015 at 05:42 PM |
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posted by karmann141
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  looks tricky to top up the fluid like I said ask some of the buggy owners they know their stuff.
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You continue to amaze me with your level of ignorance and reluctance to think outside the square
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you know that I have a Subaru powered beetle
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You mean " you're a bit of a dick - not your a bit of a dick"
Hey Ian we can stoop to name calling but that's not my style. When you have an opinion, you seem to be unwilling to listen to anyone else's - just
an observation.
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just ignore him. Don't waste your time .
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| posted on May 25th, 2015 at 05:43 PM |
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Move the reservoir as Steve suggests, brake fluid is hydroscopic and will absorbed water through the breather hole, last thing you want, all mine have
the reservoir in the boot. when I did mine I tig welded the holes up in the mount and drill new ones.
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good idea!
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| posted on May 25th, 2015 at 05:46 PM |
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posted by vlad01
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posted by ian.mezz
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looks tricky to top up the fluid like I said ask some of the buggy owners they know their stuff.
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You continue to amaze me with your level of ignorance and reluctance to think outside the square
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you know that I have a Subaru powered beetle
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You mean " you're a bit of a dick - not your a bit of a dick"
Hey Ian we can stoop to name calling but that's not my style. When you have an opinion, you seem to be unwilling to listen to anyone else's - just
an observation.
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just ignore him. Don't waste your time .
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BTW, whos the ''ignore'' going to?
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| posted on May 25th, 2015 at 05:51 PM |
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we drive bugs with over 300hp and a long arm works fine , its just one off of a newer model beetle , why change German engineering.
Its your time and money spend it how you like.
ian.mezz a member of the institute of automotive mechanical engineers for the last 30years
Nope will not see me thinking outside the square , Dick
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why change German engineering? well it can be quite shit more than often.
A common saying I hear a lot of. 'whats wrong with it?" "its got German wiring  "
zing!
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| posted on May 25th, 2015 at 05:53 PM |
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posted by adlbeetle66
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posted by vlad01
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posted by karmann141
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posted by ian.mezz
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posted by karmann141
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posted by ian.mezz
looks tricky to top up the fluid like I said ask some of the buggy owners they know their stuff.
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You continue to amaze me with your level of ignorance and reluctance to think outside the square
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you know that I have a Subaru powered beetle
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You mean " you're a bit of a dick - not your a bit of a dick"
Hey Ian we can stoop to name calling but that's not my style. When you have an opinion, you seem to be unwilling to listen to anyone else's - just
an observation.
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just ignore him. Don't waste your time .
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BTW, whos the ''ignore'' going to?
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telling karman to ignore ian obviously.
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| posted on May 25th, 2015 at 05:55 PM |
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Yeah, well ian.mezz hasn't come back yet
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| posted on June 15th, 2015 at 10:35 AM |
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welded in the piece on the weekend, was happy with the fitment and outcome
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| posted on June 15th, 2015 at 09:58 PM |
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Nice! keep it coming.
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