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| posted on September 18th, 2003 at 12:45 AM |
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Geez! 25W-70 is thick! But i suppose in 40 degree heat it would be necessary... I think i'll try some thicker oil to seal the engine a bit
better.. KFart has 15% off tomoro so i'll grab some oil and other crap there....
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| posted on September 21st, 2003 at 11:08 PM |
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Guys
Dont get too bent out of shape over the apparent thickness (or thinness) of an oild based on the advertised "weight"
Catlex RPM Delo 200 straight 40W engine oil has the same viscosity at operating temperature as 80-90w gear oil.
hence it is often used in large truck gearboxes (RoadRanger) with straight cut gears.
Dont be fooled by what is printed on the label.
You need to get the technical specs. of an oil at its stated operating temperature to get the real picture on its "thickness" or
"thinness".
L8tr
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| posted on September 22nd, 2003 at 08:13 AM |
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check this out for oil info
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/
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| posted on September 22nd, 2003 at 08:32 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by tassuperveeCatlex RPM Delo 200 straight 40W engine oil has the same viscosity at operating temperature as 80-90w gear oil.
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40W engine oil is the same viscosity as 80-90W (around that area) gear oil, that's why. It has nothing to do with false advertising.
Engine oil and gear oil have different weighting ranges for the same viscosity. This is to make it idiot proof to ensure you use engine oil in an
engine, and gearbox oil in a gearbox.
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| posted on September 27th, 2003 at 07:09 PM |
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I think you have well and truly missed my point dude. What I am saying is that it is worthwhile to research what the actual viscosities of different
oils are rather than be led soley by the advertised "weight " as an indication of the 'thickness" of different oils.
Furthermore, where in my post did I mention "false advertising" Hmmmm?
Stated weight are just that, stated weights but that is not necessarily directly proportional to the thickness or thinness of oils at given temps and
not a true indicator of oils.
Do you believe you are getting a true synthetic oil when you buy name brand synthetics such as castrol, pennzoil and so on??
No your not.
These oils are not pure synthetics even tho the package says they are. Oh yes, they have synthetic compounds and additives in them but are not actual
"Synthetic" oils.
Dont be fooled, do your research and you will surprise yourself.
Goes to show that what appears on a package is not necessarily the same as what the package purports it to be.
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| posted on September 28th, 2003 at 11:09 PM |
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Bertoli extra virgin is good too 
less additives
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| posted on September 29th, 2003 at 08:19 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by tassupervee
Furthermore, where in my post did I mention "false advertising" Hmmmm?
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Man you are funny. You come onto a new forum, and within 3 posts you are trying to start something with a super administrator on the forum. You might
want to tame your tone down. I was not trying to offend you. :puke
You have obviously been talking to some weird people, or reading some strange articles about conspiracy theories. I've said what I need to say,
I'll let people listen to whoever they want to listen to. Besides it doesn't take long to look at a viscosity chart and see what I said was
true.
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| posted on September 29th, 2003 at 07:01 PM |
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So there!!!!:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P:P
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| posted on September 29th, 2003 at 10:59 PM |
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has a nice cooking odour when fully warmed up too Pete.
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| posted on September 29th, 2003 at 11:53 PM |
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hehehe grey 
Be nice wesley, you're scaring people.
*pokes new member with pointy stick*
that's for talking back at a super moderator
now SIT DOWN!
heheheheheee
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| posted on September 29th, 2003 at 11:54 PM |
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sorry "super administrator"
:thumb
let sleeping dubs lie
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| posted on October 8th, 2003 at 12:47 PM |
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Hehehe "Super Administrator"..... which means what, you dont like what I say so I'll be kicked out of the forum?????
Dont worry dude, I dont care if you originally wrote the code for this forum.
You can gob off as much as you like as far as how many posts you have made but it does not impress me at all.
(sighs) Shall I hunt back and collate and quote you the amount of posts I have made to other motorracing forums........thousands actually, uhhhh no, I
shall spare you and everyone else the tiresome details. You need to be quite sure of your facts when pointing the finger at and leaning on what
appears to be a novice forum participant.
Bottom line is, you brought forward the issue of "False advertising"
Im sorry dude but I never mentioned "false advertising" anywhere.
I simply pointed out a very simple point regarding relative viscosities compared to package descriptions that you managed to missconstrue and then
brilliantly copied in some table from,,,umm I think "The Oil Guy" (correct me if I am wrong here) that just backed up what I originally
said.
Very good dude, so you attempt to impress me with your admin. status and nicely back up what I originally stated! Saved me the trouble.
Judging by some of the other replies you have certainly impressed others with your status. Cewl!
My friend, you will have to do much better than gob off how wonderful your forum status is to impress!
Perhaps re-read the previous statements and get the fact quite straight yeah?
Moderate me...if you dare!!!
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| posted on October 8th, 2003 at 02:31 PM |
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Your proving my point.
You come on a new forum, and you don't attempt to make friends, you just start trying to make enemies. That's what I find funny.
People will listen to who they have respect for. My point about my being an admin on this forum is that I gained that position through getting peoples
respect.
Then you come on here and start getting all offended about a "false advertising" quote that was not even directed at you. The way you are
carrying on I doubt anyone will listen to what you have to say, due to your attitude.
The oil viscosity chart is a standard chart, where the picture of it happens to be located is irrevelant. Maybe you'd feel better if it was
linked off the American Petrolium Institute or Society of Automotive Engineers website?
But if you know who those groups are then you'd know 20W/50 is an SAE rating of the oils low and high temperature performance determined by
standardised tests. It is not put there for fun, it is there to tell you about the oils viscosity.
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| posted on October 8th, 2003 at 03:11 PM |
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Hey "Tas",who has Wes impressed with his "moderator" status???? Did someone step on your toes? or head maybee? Please don't
bore the people with the thousands of posts you have made to other sites,seems like you're lookin for an arguement somewhere. Please "super
administrator" moderate the whinger!!! I, like other people visit these sites to keep informed on woteva is going on in the outside world and
sometimes learn something!. Everyone is entitled to have there own opinion on everything but there is no point getting stroppy because not everyone
seems to agree with you. GO AWAY:repuke:repuke Unless I cant read you have implied that the packaging wording on oils may not be correct "it
might say synthetic but its not" or sumfink along those lines. You were implying it was false advertising wern't you????
[Edited on 8-10-2003 by Mick H]
[Edited on 8-10-2003 by Mick H]
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| posted on October 8th, 2003 at 03:28 PM |
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I won't ban anyone unless it is necessary or the majority posters want it to happen. It's "our" forum, not mine. :thumb
I don't want to ban "tassupervee" because I find him strangely entertaining. I mean he's only on his forth post and already
he's starting trouble. That must be a new record or something
It's a free country, he can say what he wants. I just don't think anyone is listening.
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| posted on October 8th, 2003 at 04:54 PM |
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Damn.....
Is this thread still goin?
LMAO....
Just dont mention engine sizes....
Nice Chart Wes!
See.. thats why at 4 post's, He's still a Learner Dubber.
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| posted on October 8th, 2003 at 07:52 PM |
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Damn.....I've got 94mm pistons and barrels:jesus
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| posted on October 8th, 2003 at 11:13 PM |
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Well mick.... the 1916 is such a superior engine . . . . .
just stirrin the shit fellas
tazzsupervee .... take a deep breat . . . and lets all be friends . . . if a deep breath wont do it . . . a deep inhale of a smoky substance will
mellow you out a little
lets all be friends kiss:kiss
well . . . . maybe not with wes . . . seing he has molested his dub by putting that jap crap in the back hehehehe :kiss . . . .
*waits for wes *
hehe luv ya work wes
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| posted on October 9th, 2003 at 11:49 AM |
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well. helluva lot of chest puffing going on here.
1916cc motors should run on gtx2. jap motors should use at minimum canola, or baby oil, if you have the cash, extra virgin farmland brand will do
nicely. only problem is the viscosity figures are crap on the baby oil... whenever i use it it starts to thin out at around 40 degrees...
:vader:alien:bounce:cussing:puke :vader
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| posted on October 9th, 2003 at 12:09 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Peter Leonard
....canola, or baby oil, if you have the cash, extra virgin farmland brand will do nicely. ...
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You don't pack your CV joints with KY jelly by any chance do you?
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| posted on October 9th, 2003 at 12:15 PM |
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Bugger,
The secret is out :o :o :o
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| posted on October 9th, 2003 at 12:26 PM |
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Vaso!
At least it's Petroleum Based!!!!!
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| posted on October 9th, 2003 at 01:08 PM |
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Sorry in advance dude but a long post.
Adam, 'tis very cewl!!!!
Mick.......Miiiiiiiiiiiiiick, yes, you certainly are entitled to an opinion (zzzzzzzzzzzzz)
Wes, trouble???????what trouble??????? I made a point, you interpreted it in any way you did and made your point based on your interpretation, I
rebuked that, is that causing trouble???? No dude it isnt.
Now dude, why do you keep quoting facts and figures you already know that I know??
I dont make friends??????eeehh?
Whoever said that I was upset.......oh sorry Mick did. Mick, dood, cobber, mayyyyyyteeee! Im not upset, I just dont take lightly-thought-out rebukes
from anyone easy K.
Wes, either took out of context what I had to say or simply misconstrued what I had to say...probably the same thing really but.......so thats how he
sees it. He is certainly entitled to his opinion as I am mine.
Where he did flare his nostrils was to trumpet about his forum adminiatrator status....well I dont give a rats what status he has, and neither should
he give a rats about mine.
Asd far as respect is concerned, respect is earned, not expected or demanded and so far there is nothing in his reaction to me to gain any more of my
respect that anyone else.
My posts, minimal number they may be on this particular forum, have neither been abusive or necessarily confrontational nor pepperd with innapropriate
language and are not a result of "kneejerk".
I think you might have gathered that I spend some thought and time in constructing them.
So there you go..... Mick.
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40W engine oil is the same viscosity as 80-90W (around that area) gear oil, that's why. It has nothing to do with false advertising
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That is the quote from Wes's original post that mentioned "False Advertising"
Now I put it to you, where did I mention "False Advertising"?
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Catlex RPM Delo 200 straight 40W engine oil has the same viscosity at operating temperature as 80-90w gear oil.
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There is the offending comment I originally passed that Wes ended up posting a chart on that simply backed up what I originally said.
If I appear pedantic by defending my original statements then thats just tough luck and those of you that dont like it have the ultimate form of
censorship.....click and goodbye to you!
Wes finds me "Entertaining" but suggests that no-one is listening???/ I put it to you that plenty of you are listening judging by the
replies.
FWIW, I use BP Visco 5000 "Synthetic" 5W-40 (I think) ((which is not a true pure synthetic oil anyway)) in my Formula Vee
L8tr dudes
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| posted on October 9th, 2003 at 01:22 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by tassupervee
Wes finds me "Entertaining" but suggests that no-one is listening???/ I put it to you that plenty of you are listening judging by the
replies.
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There's a difference between listening and watching the show.
Here's your comment I didn't agree with
| Quote: | Stated weight are
just that, stated weights but that is not necessarily directly proportional to the thickness or thinness of oils at given temps and not a true
indicator of oils.
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Now I think they clearly states that you think they advertise a different weight to what they supply. You might even call it false advertising. How am
I agreeing with what your saying
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errr.....where did I go?????
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| posted on October 9th, 2003 at 03:22 PM |
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Wes (sighs)
The viscosities of differing brands of oils, at the stated operating temps are not necessarily directly related or proportional to the "Stated
weights" printed on the package.
Just because a package says xW-y weight, it does not truly indicate the performance of a range of different brand oils.
put simply, "You cant necessarily judge a book by its cover"
Altho the stated weight of oils is, to a certain extent, is a pointer to its actual viscosity, it is not necessarily absolutely so.
Aparrent thickness or thinness of a fluid is variable depending on its temp. Chill zero weight oil down to its pour point and it resembles grease but
it is still zero weight oil yeah?
Looking at how aparently "Runny" a particular oil is at say, engine temp,,,,oh I dont know say 90 Deg.C is just irrelevent.
So many dudes are misinformed when it comes to the fluid properties of oils and most common knowledge is if it seems thicker then it must be a heavie
weight oil which is far from the truth and that is the main crux of my original post where I stated
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Guys dont get too bent out of shape about the apparent thickness (or thinness) of an oil based on the advertised "weight"
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There it is dude.
I just believe you have mis-interpreted my original post thats all.
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by tassupervee
The viscosities of differing brands of oils, at the stated operating temps are not necessarily directly related or proportional to the "Stated
weights" printed on the package.
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So again you are implying the false advertising.
| Quote: | Aparrent thickness
or thinness of a fluid is variable depending on its temp.
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So your saying viscosity of a fluid changes with temperature, that's obvious but at least I agree with you on something.
| Quote: | Chill zero weight
oil down to its pour point and it resembles grease but it is still zero weight oil yeah?
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So what your saying is as a fluid starts to freeze it starts solidifying. wow. What does this have to do with oil weights?
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aparently "Runny" a particular oil is at say, engine temp,,,,oh I dont know say 90 Deg.C is just irrelevent.
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So the viscosity of an oil at operating temp doesn't matter to you, why? Doesn't your engine run at an operating temperature?
You obviously don't know what the 20W50 stands for. It's a standardised test of viscosity, you can't cheat it. If the oil viscosity
falls within the specified viscosity range it gets that SAE rating. There is no ifs or buts about it. The temperatures and every aspect of the test
are set and cannot be cheated or misused.
You obviously don't understand how the oils get their ratings. Have you ever performed any of the viscosity or wear tests on an oil before? I
have, so I don't need to have someone who doesn't know try and tell me how to do it.
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| posted on October 9th, 2003 at 06:05 PM |
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Oil is brown!!!:bounce
sometime BLACK!!:bounce
and slippery:bounce
if it sparkles then uh oh
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lol
My engineering degree is bigger than yours, so there :P
No way, mine's much bigger! :P
And some people thought the 1916 debate was boring!
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nah steve . . . . i dont think it is engineering degrees these boys need to compare . . . . c'mon whip em out and get it over and done with :P
i have a REALLY funny picture but the nudity would not let me put it here :S
ah well
have fun fellas
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