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 twoguns
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 01:14 PM |
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1/ brad you do a top job. keep it up, and me being a fellow spitter on the odd occasion, well thats just the personality and not everybody has to like
it and who cares. just keep up the good effort.
2/ i havn't been a member for very long but still being in oz, having a site like this is essential to kept the passion alive. it is a bitch
having to talk to os people or read os mags just to keep up to date or learn something or find something.
3/ i think that if MICK MOTORS wants to keep as the main sponsor then great. if he has an issue about other names mentioned let him speak now and a
solution reccomended. i personally deal with someone in nsw but i know now that if they cant come up with the goods, who i will contact second.
4/ i think each state and each business could have the right to list their name somewhere for a nominal fee. i think that if there is a vw parts
business in SA trying to make a go of it. we should help to encourage it. this way we help the vw scene nationally grow. how many clubs have you all
seen over the years or businesses or mags that just seem to fall by the side thru lack of awareness or interest.why shouldnt someone in SA be allowed
to know about it rather than paying freight costs. then too, that community will not only grow there but also the forum will have more contacts and
support.
5/ i dont think a pic size is something to cry over. i know i myself being computer illiterate and not knowing how to change sizes of pics makes it
harder. but hey to create fuss about it being deleted is ignorant. if the rule is there people can learn how to comply. it surely cant be too hard.
6/ these are my words, however humble or miss guided. but then again its my point of view and after several years of dealing with the wrong people
thru not knowing i am glad now that i can say go here or not go there and have a group that i contact in a second if im not sure...
7/:tree ALL HAVE A VERY MERRY XMAS AND LIVE YOUR DREAM. DRIVE THAT DAK DAK. DONT GARAGE IT.
8/ and please all of you out there help me locate a buggy......... im begging for a buggy. then i can get another split.
Simply Cruzin'...
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 01:50 PM |
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BRAD! Just do wat u think is best im shore u will make the right decision. Anyway u wont loose any members cos theres no other aussieveedub forums is
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 02:31 PM |
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i dont think it is going to get stuffed at all
just going from small time to big time is difficult and i am glad we all get a say !
How about banners for big sponsors and smaller sponsors can pay for a e-mail to all members about specials/discounts/sales etc..
they get to send an email to all of us regarding specials they have for a small price and not have to pay a yearly amount.
of course these dont happen all the time and become an annoyance though.
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I'm in Agreeance with twoguns....
Brad,
We all know that You will do whatever is the best for the Forum ....
Thanks Mate.. for everything so far....
Lee
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- [size=4]Helping keep Air Cooled VWs on the road - location: SCONE in the Upper Hunter Valley - Northern NSW 320 kms NNW of SYDNEY--- [/size]
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 04:55 PM |
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sponsorship
hmm..
glad this issue isn t a heated one anymore.
i agree that the loyalty and descretion that has been shown by mick motors should be rewarded. i dont think that we need to do down the path of
getting more sponsors and better membership privelidges just yet.
seems to be working fine to me.
but i want to get one thing straight, and that is that i dont think this forum needs to change. works great as it is.
if other people think that it does, then thats fine, and we need to go and get more sponsorship, but lets find out whether people think that this
change/improvement is needed before we start trying to do it.
if so then i have no probs with brad/andrew/jim or any other major contributors/moderators making a little on the side for their time and efforts.
lets keep mick and throw the ideas around for a bit longer tho!
just my 2c
cheers
Kim
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 06:49 PM |
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I am all for the idea of a $10 annual membership. I can see members buying through sponsors only if they could get discount or items at trade. vw gear
in general is not usually the most cheapest stuff to get and i am sure if members saw they can save money one way or another the sponsors would
benefit greatley due to the increase in business.
i may be having a stab in the dark but i am sure with carefull planning everyone should benefit out of having a financial club.:bounce:thumb:thumb |
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 07:29 PM |
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I all for having the local guys have a separate section for advertisemnets for a nominal fee!!!! But let mick motors have the show
matt
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 07:58 PM |
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I dont really care so long as:
1. there are no pop ups.
2. I am free to mention whoever regardless of whos name is at the top.
3. I dont have to pay to be here, whether its $10 $5 or 50c.
Just one thing though... and I may be outta line. I have nothing against Micks Motors. Never been there , never dealt with them, never been to the
website even. I dont have any allegience with any VW shop now that Hellbug is gooooone. But I dont think this forum owes anything to Mick's. They
paid $500 for a years sponsorship, and once that is gone... game over.
Whoever pays the bill next time gets the job. Simple.
Level 1 and 2 sponsorship would be easy to work out. Level 1 gets aussieveedubbers.com welcome page, contents page, maybe general chit chat page.
Level 2 share the other less popular pages. Maybe even 3 levels. Cos I spose tech talk is pretty popular. Guessing that somewhere there is something
counting number of hits per section, yes???
cant see how you can demand a discount from sponsors though. Think that is extreme.
Umm a lot to say for someone who doesnt care huh.
I like this -> :cussing Will come in handy fer sure.
Chris.... kombi pilot, oval dreamer... finisher #26971 2005 city to surf
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 08:43 PM |
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mmm ok so basically ..
Right the feel I am getting is that most people are happy with the forum as it sits and don't really mind what happens as long as that don't
change.
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 08:52 PM |
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If it ain't broke don't fix it
I have been aware of and have been a regular visitor to this forum for only two weeks and this limited experience has shown me, this forum is a
valuable tool to the VW community.for those who need help, for those who are curious, for those who are proud and for those who may know something
that should be shared. i have read all the comments and agree with one thing .do whatever is neccesary to keep it open.
My comments/suggestions now I have been asked are
1. giving members discounts with advertisers is a good idea but will see a rash of members join who do not intend to contribute to the forum
..possible solution. a weekly password for discounts, given when contributions are made...
2. I don't need any web/ email so these options do not interest me
3.registered clubs are tax exempt ..therefore why not register a club, charge a fee, use the money that does not incur a gst or tax to run the site
with no advertsers.people wishing to advertise/sponsors can be listed as on a page titled suppliers in your area no fee needs to be charged as they
will be paying by giving members discounts.if more money is raised than is needed then membership fees can be waived for the next year ect.
4. keep searching and asking... the best way forward will reveal itself as it invariably always will.....
keep up the good work you short tempered thin skinned #(*&@#/'.':
Keeping it real !
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 08:55 PM |
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My thoughts...
Let who ever wants to sponsor sponsor.
The frequency and size dependant on their level of sponsorship.
Shows have multiple sponsors and they don't mind sponsoring the same event as their competition.
Businesses who don't sponsor should only referenced by a person directly involved and should not mention the name of the company. A discreet - I
can help.
Alternatively, use the U2U or email functions.
Matt
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KruizinKombi
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 08:56 PM |
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Ummm..... I don't think I can really contribute anything uselful to this discussion that hasn't already been said. 
I'm not even going to list which statements I agree with, there are too many of them already. :thumb
I like the forum the way it is, but if exclusivity is upsetting other businesses, then let them in by all means, but get something out of them for the
priviledge. Maybe a small sponsorship (like $50) for a small ad./link at the bottom of the page?
Kruizin Kol
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 09:23 PM |
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If it aint broke, dont fix it...
I like it the way it is. Let other shops pay an anual fee to be listed in a "directory" here if money and feelings are an issue.
Hutcho.
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 10:00 PM |
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Way it is is good. Maybe Add sponsers line across
bottom of page.
- I think the email ads of specials occasionally would be OK ,
I already get adverts on email so few more I can put up with
and Being VW based would actually be
of some interest.
--- Would Hate Pop Ups, fixed banners Ok.
Regards,Glenn>
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| posted on December 19th, 2002 at 10:36 PM |
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My 2c.
1. We need money to run this place, and I trust you to get the mix right as you know exactly how much it costs. I have a fair idea from running my own
sites, and I know you're getting a better rate than I am, so the money is being well spent. This place is an invaluable resource for those on
limited budgets and I'd hate it to become a pay site. So advertising is about the only way forward.
2. Saying that, I'd prefer it if we didn't have any exclusive or lockout deals with any particular sponsor from simply a TPA point of view.
The ACCC is extremely unlikely to come after us (we have no money after all), but unless Mick Motors is like a shareholder in a privately held company
or organization who is the ICP for the site, I think it'd be safer if we opened it up to all. Don't get me wrong - I like our current
sponsor and appreciate their support over the time I've been on here. But I also wouldn't mind it if say VWGA could advertise here, or one
of the current dealers to add a bit of spice and change into the place. Or even a Melbourne-based business. :-)
3. It'd be nice to be able to have different ad rotations in different forum areas. For example, I think the advertisers in Tech Talk and Buy
Swap and Sell would be roughly the same and would be a certain set of advertisers, but there might be a greater audience and wider interest in the
General Chit Chat (ie slightly higher prices per 1000 views).
4. No pop ups. Preferably no skyscraper ads. And definitely no ad rotations from doubleclick, 24x7 and their ilk. If you need an ad rotator, I'm
sure I could help find a free one that allows us to manage it properly.
5. It'd be nice to encourage our sponsors to offer discounts, but it shouldn't be mandatory. Therefore a moderated forum with these details
posted in there would be very helpful. Obviously our more penny wise members will go to places that offer discounts. :-) From experience in this
industry, most advertisers seem happy to do such things anyway as it is a cheap way to help them identify where they should be spending their
advertising revenue anyway (ie if they get 50% saying they're from the local VW club and 50% saying they're from us, then they'll spend
about 50% of their advertising budget with us).
Other than that, keep up the fine work, and keep us informed.
thanks,
Andrew
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 12:01 AM |
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OK, I think we have a lot of good ideas here from people that really care about both the forum and associated members and sponsors. It's good to
see that on the whole, we are pretty much on track with the whole VW family feeling.
Time for my suggestions now that I've pondered it long enough and read what some of us have to say on the subject.
1. Our welcome page should have our logo and name pretty big on it, with the main sponsor's (currently our mate Mick) extra large banner
displayed there for the current sponsorship of $500 per annum..
2. I think an animated gif banner at the top of each forum section displaying level 2 sponsor's ads in succession would work. Maybe worth $100
per annum for that and we should maybe limit it to 5 or 6 or 7 business banners in the animation cycle.
3. Then I can picture a section titled "VW Professionals" having a breakup of the states and a listing for each business that coughs up $10
per year and an image for any business willing to pay $20 per year. It would use the existing structure of the forum posts and only the moderators of
that section could post (when someone requests a listing by email or phone).
4. I also reckon members should be advised in a terms and conditions page not to post any overly strong positive or negative comments about a
particular business. This is to curb any basic abuse by negating the appropriate fee for advertising rights.
5. Sponsors should be encouraged to offer discounts, but shouldn't be pushed as it's up to them how much they can afford to trim their
prices for us and how much they want to attract our business in their direction rather than the next bloke in the list.
6. It's my strong opinion that this forum should always remain free to members and be supported by our sponsors. Some members don't care
either way, but others that contribute a great deal would pull away or not feel so good about being here anymore if they were made to pay for the
privilege. We're all brothers and sisters in the world of VWs and especially on this forum, so lets stick together and we'll all enjoy the
time we spend with each other on here.
These are just ideas that I'd feel comfortable with and I think all concerned would find it hard to feel left out or discriminated against...
Actually, I can't claim that these are necessarily even my ideas, just my view after seeing what everyone else thought about it.
Oh yeah, don't hassle Brad so much over all this, after all if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have the forum as stable as it is today,
actually we might not have it at all. He's done a lot of good work on this forum and is now trying to make sure we don't step on anyones
toes and include everyone whilst keeping the forum members as happy as can be... Don't stand in front of him, get behind him. He might be an
arrogant bugger sometimes, but he's a good bloke on the inside and is the forum's most valuable member now.
[Edited on 19-12-2002 by The CAR VET]
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 06:18 AM |
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:sandrine
What exactly was the point of this thread?
Only 2 people on this forum are privy to the details of the sponsorship anyway. The rest of us don't know & probably don't need to
know.
Have others been lining up to sponsor the forum? If so, who?
If it was about people plugging other VW shops, well, big deal.
The idea of a forum is to swap views & information.
If I get a good deal somewhere, then it is , more or less, my DUTY to inform the rest of the members. Irrespective of whether or not they are a
sponsor of the forum.
As for Brad being a good bloke, YES, as a matter of fact he is, I've spoken to him several times.
But his administrative skills leave a hell of a lot to be desired.
I've been part of this forum since the outset, & page one of this thread is the 1st time I have ever seen the administrator launch a personal
attack on a member
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 06:22 AM |
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Looked like self-defence to me officer
 :P:P:P:P:P
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 10:02 AM |
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I agree with Steve's suggestions, but I'm equally happy for things to stay as they are.
As for Brad making a 'personal attack', I didn't see anything of the sort. Brad has my support 100%. He's doing a great job.
:thumb
Kruizin Kol
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 10:43 AM |
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Brad,
Have just U2U'd you!
" Captain Picard, why are there no Indians on the Enterprise ? Don't you need IT Support ? "
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 02:32 PM |
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So exactly how would you classify "What the &^%$ drugs are you on" ??
If that's not a personal attack I'll stand f#cked.
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 05:34 PM |
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Just one thought,
what if Fred Bloggs Motors becomes a sponser? then a number of aussiveedubbers put posts on saying that the service they got from Fred Bloggs was
crap,
Brad, would you leave the comments or would you have to show some loyalty to the sponser and remove the posts.
We have not had any comments from the founder of this site, any comments Jim?
Cheers
Dave:jesus
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| posted on December 20th, 2002 at 07:52 PM |
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Thanks Dave, I'm glad someone remembers that I started this forum. I don't like to ring my own bell about the fact that I started this forum
as I consider it a gift to VeeDubbing in Oz, but I also put a hell of a lot of time and effort in making this forum what it is, or more like what it
was before Brad has done the sensational job of taking over unexpectantly, and for those that criticise, should be ashamed. Lately I have been way too
busy lately for much time on the forum, but I am trying to rectify this problem. I also would like to thank Andrew for his input, but saying that,
without trying to offend him, his efforts pale when comparing to Brads and my own. Don't believe me? Check the post count.. To add to that, I
have 600 odd emails I have sent to people in order to attract them to this site. When was the last time you sent 600 emails? Enough bell ringing.
Firstly, as Spook said, the details of sponsorship aren't well known, nor should they be or need to be. Saying that, I can tell you that Mick
Motors helped us out incredibly... but it wasn't $500. This is a niche market people. Advertisers advertise for $80 in magazines such as
'Just Cars' for a quarter of a page, in a broad market. If people want the exposure, and they are serious about their business, they will
pay. Not to mention the advertising on television or internet accordingly; likewise you can compare to our rates with their broad targets. Fatboy will
tell you about the internet advertising no doubt.
This money isn't used for personal gain.(Even if it is, do YOU care, or are you just in agreement?) For Brad or whoever to get money out of this,
would be fine, but let me tell you, after the running costs, domain name, webspace and so on, there isn't much left. When I was administrator,
and still like to think I am, it actually cost me out of my own pocket to run this site, as I would expect it has with Brad and the webspace issue.
Generally where this money goes is to making more money.. It never gets spent on any one individual IF there is a profit.. It goes to people like
Bronze, who may then be able to lower the price of the stickers or shirts and so on.. At the end of the day, YOU the Forum member, benefit indirectly
from this sponsorship, if not directly.
Does anyone remember the popup adds? If not, go back to Ezyboard and have a surf around there for 10 minutes and see how nuts you go.. Solution?
Sponsorship to pay for an ad-free site such as this..
Getting the point?
The other alternative is for members to pay, $10-$20 p.a., and have no sponsorship. No one gains. The VW community doesn't benefit. And most
importantly from a personal perspective, this site becomes a paying site, and that was one of my goals that it WOULDN'T become, because in my
history and knowledge, as soon as people pulling money out of their pocket and putting it on the web instead of their cars, someone else will make a
free one. Everyone wants something for free. Everyone. And this sponsorship is the only way it is going to happen and maintain the momentum and
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cWell said Jim and it is good to have you around again.
I think the forum is fine how it is, if you need more sponsorship to keep it running we know you will do whats right for the forum.
It should stay free for members and as simple as possible, some of the suggestions were getting a bit complicated.
A separate section would be handy for parts places etc. saves time looking up the yellow pages. Any decent business would give you a small discount
for mentioning the forum if they are part of it.
Maybe a free car club section as well listing contact details etc. that can't be modified by members.
Eventually we'll end up with a pretty comprehensive database of vw relate clubs & businesses.
Its not hard to keep pictures under 50k just open paint and keep scaling down.
Keep up the good work and keep veedubbing.
If no nudity is allowed on the site are links acceptable, don't want to start ww4 again but just a quick answer. We are talking about belles
beetle & splitties from a while ago and that ugly naked guy type of stuff? Is it allowavble to display a link to these pictures |
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| posted on December 21st, 2002 at 08:55 AM |
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I would call Brad's response a natural reaction from a person who is working his ass off to keep this forum alive, and then having to be
subjected to unfounded suspicions as to his intentions.
He is putting forward a proposition to see what the rest of the members want in open discussion, so that they make the decision, not him.
If anybody is going the ruin this forum, its going to be 'us', as in the members, not Brad.
Regarding the links to nudity on other sites, go ahead, just make sure that you put some kind of warning in your post. As long as the nudity is not
hosted on this forum, it's ok. Please make sure that the sites are VW-related though, I'm sure most of us don't want to see links to http://www.porn.com or similar, we come here for VWs.
Kruizin Kol
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57kombi
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| posted on December 21st, 2002 at 11:32 AM |
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No one has made any comments of what will happen if people start to slag off the sponsers?
See my previous post.
I think this needs clarifying before you go ahead.
Hey Brad, will you just delete the posts to keep the sponsers happy or will you let people have their right to free speech???????
I think the idea of having this post for 72 hours is a bit short sighted I think it will go on for a while until you get the feelings of the
members>
Nice to hear from our founder,
Whats up Jim , too busy, do you still have a say???
Cheers
Dave
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sooty
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| posted on December 21st, 2002 at 12:05 PM |
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I would like to put forward what I think to be a VERY IMPOIRTANT POINT OF VIEW.
which will, for political reasons purely hypothetical.
Somebody buy's their first kombi. They fall in love with it...but it needs some work.
They stumble across this web site and feel a huge sigh of relief. If australian wide vw's have *whoever* as their sponcer he must be good. So,
confident owner takes their kombi off to *whoever*
As owner has absolutely no mechanical skills at all when they pick kombi up from *whoever* they are still feeling increadibly confidant .......as they
are going around last corner aproaching highway wheel falls compleatly off (car had {hypothetically of course} been in for brake work)
If this had happened while said car was doing 110km down highway I shudder to think what would have happened to mother and four babies in the back.
wheel was mising pin.
I hate to break it to you but like it or not there is a huge amount of responsibility to do with who you allow to be a sponsor.
this hypothetical owner has been left feeling Very traumatised. If you don't know of a good mechanic you rely on others to tell you about
them.
Rember this situation could have potentiallly killed five people.
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baybuscamperkid
Compulsive Aussie Vee Dubber
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| posted on December 21st, 2002 at 12:27 PM |
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i gotta agree with alot of the comments ive read already. if no more money is needed, then lets not stir things up, but if it is:
i believe we should keep on MickMotors as our major sponsor, and give him exclusive advertising rights, but we should also have a page of VW shops,
where companies can have their name, address, ph. no. and a short description listed. nowdays companies are paying money just to get listed on major
search engines, and they pay-per-hit. we can offer businesses advertising on the ONLY aussie veedub sight around, and a fee of, say $80 pa they wont
even notice the cost (think of the cost of advertising in the yellow pages) a club discount from these businesses would be great, and i too would have
no qualms about paying $10 a year in membership fees. if we make the membership fees optional - ie -you pay, you get the discount card/dont pay, no
card. then noone will feel pushed off of the forum if they dont want to pay.
just another person with 2c worth
hope it is useful thinking
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| posted on December 21st, 2002 at 01:17 PM |
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mmm A picture is begining to form :>
| Quote: | Originally
posted by Spook
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I've been part of this forum since the outset, & page one of this thread is the 1st time I have ever seen the administrator launch a personal
attack on a member
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Spook Spook Spook, if you read teh comments in context you will see that it was in response to Alec saying that I was ruining the forum, and that he
had heard bad things, yet he never offered to explanin what these things were and who had said them.
Also since you have been around since teh start then your memory must be lacking as both Jim and I have had fights with other members on line before,
several resulting in them being banned. Just because I am an admin / moderator I will not sit by and have people make commenst about me without a
response, being admin means I will happily enforce the rules of the board and fix tech problems where I can. Since you are always on about freedom of
speach and the likes you should understand this. From memory it wasn't that long ago that you yourself were having a go at someone on this very
board.
I think you need to clarify your comment as I beleive it shoudl read more along the lines of As a politically correct admin he sucks .
In regards to sponsors :
Yes I have been approached by several VW shops who wish to sponsor the board, VVDS, The one Empi works for, one in WA whos name I can't remember.
So there is interest.
Money - the board can continue to run under the current setup WITH NO PROBLEMS and I am happy to do this. BUT teh problem that I see comes from the
exclusive bit with Mick Motors. You see in case some people out there don't realise I have a very close realtionship with them. Now if I was to
say no to all other sponsors then I would not see that as fare if , however, the voice of teh members is that Exclusive is fine then that suits me to
a tee as it is easy to organise. I don't mind, I am happy to introduce an on line business directory for free.
The 72 hrs thing came from my want to have an endstate and not leave it going for months, if the feel is that it needs to be longer then so be it
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Spook
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| posted on December 21st, 2002 at 01:36 PM |
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I know what the context was.
Point is brother, as boss cocky, you no longer have the luxury of knee jerk reactions. Which of course is another reason I kept knocking back a
moderators job....
I can't imagine how many times young Jim has had to hold his "tongue".
Well my friends are gone & my hair is grey, I ache in the places where I used to play.
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