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| posted on September 18th, 2004 at 06:33 PM |
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I don't think you'll notice the handling issue that much. You may need thicker rear torsion bars though.
The main problem with the flat motors is how far back they stick out. It means you'll never get as good a departure angle as with an upright kit.
Look at how bad the purple baja's departure angle is. It would be ok in a street car, but you'd drag it everywhere offroad. I smack my bash plate on
the ground and my departure angle is pretty good.
I'm hoping to make it to buggy bash this time, but not sure yet. I may have something else on.
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| posted on September 18th, 2004 at 06:44 PM |
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i hadnt thought about departure angle wes thats a good point.... oh and pete wood i dont want to go watercooled and i certainly cant afford to go
water cooled. if i dont do this conversion the 1600 will stay till i have more money.
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| posted on September 18th, 2004 at 06:48 PM |
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as for a flywheel i can get an engineer up the road that vince knows to machine a flywheel for me so that shouldnt be an issue. in a few months if i
have the cash i can always get an upright kit.
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| posted on September 18th, 2004 at 07:00 PM |
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Yeah.
I've got a big V6 hanging out the back of my car, and it's short and has an excellent departure angle compared to a Baja with a flat type 4 engine
hanging out the back.
All depends on how much you want to go offroading, and how serious you will get.
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| posted on September 18th, 2004 at 07:06 PM |
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well im not too serious right now....i am up for a bit of beach stuff (wouldnt matter for that) but once i get my baja the way i want it i think i
will go offroad more......i can cross that bridge when i come to it i suppose:P
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| posted on September 19th, 2004 at 07:00 PM |
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Save money thats hard if you have a good mate with a mig just make one its a bit of a stuff around but you will be able to drive up walls almost
without bashing it on the ground and no offence pete but subie motor wtf would you bother there sump hangs down so much you would not be able to drive
it off road and yeah there performance is better when you get the revs up to there talk range around 4000 and trust me that would suck it and off
roader you need it at idle like a type 4 |
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| posted on September 19th, 2004 at 07:06 PM |
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oh and i cant come to the buggy bash day i have already organised a bit of
a shindig for that day and night and completly forgot.
oh and my cage sticks out as much as a Type 4 anyway atm cause its ment for a single exhaust and has lots of room for one which isnt there cause i
have twin hotdogs.
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| posted on September 19th, 2004 at 07:55 PM |
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posted by MUD BASHING ANYONE ??
yeah there performance is better when you get the revs up to there talk range around 4000 and trust me that would suck it and off roader you need it
at idle like a type 4
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You obviously haven't been in a jap engined VW before then.
I've been in an EA82 turbo subaru. You'd think it would suck down low but you'd be wrong.
Pete's EJ25 in his buggy would be similar in torque to my V6 (a little less but not much). Both would make a type 4 seem like a scooter engine. If I
manage to make it to baja bash on sunday, come and introduce yourself and I will take you for a little drive. I will show you what real torque is.
btw, the suby sumps can be shortened and fix.
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| posted on September 19th, 2004 at 08:05 PM |
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i have also driven a ea82 turbo subie and yes they are pretty good right through the rev range.......and i have an EA82 non turbo engine sitting in a
parts car in my backyard however i dont want to go watercooled id rather have a VW engine in my baja (and yes i know a type 4 is technically a porsche
motor)
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| posted on September 19th, 2004 at 08:42 PM |
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If you want to stick with a VW motor than that's fine.
I am just trying to keep the comments on here factual. Anyone who thinks a carby type 4 can match a fuel injected jap motor is obviously hasn't tried
both.
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| posted on September 19th, 2004 at 08:44 PM |
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oh i wasnt taking sides i was just stating that id rather stay air cooled
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| posted on September 20th, 2004 at 08:38 PM |
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I didnt mean to have a go but i have driven many water cooled cars and im not convinced that they have what i want, i have driven one subie not sure
what motor it was a star wagen or somthing of the like and it sucked i had to scream the ass out of it to move it not happy with that and i have
driven a mr2 that went ok but only when you scream it nothing down low. i do a lot of crazy stuff with my baja and it takes alot of idle speed
crawling up and over rocks and up banks which takes diesel like touqe not indy car revs but if i was to build a dune buggy i would want somthing with
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| posted on September 21st, 2004 at 08:39 AM |
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well hopefully I will catch up with you at the baja bash and take you for a spin, show you what a real watercooled motor does.
I can crawl up hills at 500rpm with my V6. It probably makes more torque at 1000rpm than your motor would anywhere in the entire rev range.
What you have to remember when test driving a watercooled engine in the original car is that the original car is alot heavier than a Baja. Halving the
weight of the car that it's in does huge things for the performance. They can feel gutless down low because they make alot of HP up high.
If you put the type 4 engine in a subaru it would feel gutless down low and up high. It would be terrible.
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| posted on September 21st, 2004 at 04:00 PM |
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"If you put the type 4 engine in a subaru it would feel gutless down low and up high. It would be terrible. "
If you put a type 4 engine in a subi you wold be a clown and it would still be gutless....
The EJ evolution is under way and once it gathers speed all who have enjoyed the results will be more than happy.
In relation to the Flat type 4 when all is said and done I wouldn't waste my time .. stick with the type 1..
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| posted on September 21st, 2004 at 04:04 PM |
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it would cost me 5 grand to get 100 horspower out of my type 1 engine. the 2 litre has that stock.
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| posted on September 21st, 2004 at 04:39 PM |
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it would cost me 5 grand to get 100 horspower out of my type 1 engine. the 2 litre has that stock.
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No it doesn't.
I suppose I better elaborate.
The VW 2lt type 4 (1971cc) produces between 67 and 70HP in VW form.
If you are lucky you may find a porsche 914 2lt type 4, which is closer to 100HP, but will cost alot more.
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| posted on September 21st, 2004 at 05:05 PM |
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it would cost me 5 grand to get 100 horspower out of my type 1 engine. the 2 litre has that stock.
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Hehe. 100 horses my horses ass.
Also, you will need to get a 2 Litre Blue Plated will you not? Won't that mean upgrades to brake and suspension to match?
Just a thought.
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| posted on September 21st, 2004 at 05:07 PM |
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yes your right there Mike, technically it should be blue plated.
I had my 1915cc type 1 engine blue plated when it was in my Baja.
Although up to 2lt with a single cam classes as a schedule A engine conversion in QLD. I think it only requires front disc brakes, and not the other
safety requirements. I would have to double check the table.
[Edited on 21-9-2004 by Baja Wes]
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| posted on September 21st, 2004 at 07:56 PM |
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Wes i would like to talk to you about the work done on your car i think there is some things to be learned and i would like to go for a drive with you
as i have not driven in a watercooled baja or buggy i know what my goes like and it would be good grounds for comparison i expect that you motor would
have twice the hp but with 4 cams fuel injection and about 30 years more technology it should have as for the type 1 motor i have been there done that
i didnt have a huge hp 2020 just a 1640 and never agian they suck you have to keep them on top form to get anywere thats not what i want. An ej is
that an newer efi motor cause i was talking to a guy with a 2lt subie but an older model with a webber in hes kombi and he seamed to think it was the
best thing until i when passed him about 50 km faster than he could get his to go in my kombi with a mild 1800 |
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| posted on September 21st, 2004 at 09:02 PM |
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"has anyone done a Type 4 Conversion and left the engine flat? instead of getting an upright kit"
yes.
a friend has on his 2nd buggy. he was building it up and had a kombi 2l to go in. the more astute will notice a few other details.
anyway it is a good buggy. he admits it hangs out a bit too much but he'll either upright it or now he has a soob motor, will fit that.
yes it stikes out but a good bar helps it slide just like country buggies said in the manual. still goes hard !!
oh, i put this up for info, if anyone wants to bag it out for bagging its sake we already know it all. constructive critisizm however is cool...
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| posted on September 21st, 2004 at 09:06 PM |
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Type 3 floorpan......now that is interesting, beetle floorpan halves I'm guessing?
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| posted on September 21st, 2004 at 10:49 PM |
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very good.
type 3 beam for starters |
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| posted on October 16th, 2004 at 11:14 PM |
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back to orig question & although camera angles arnt perfect.
my 1600 type 1 twuin port motord bugeye (with an unstoppable 6 pound - you should see it a >3pound)
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| posted on October 16th, 2004 at 11:18 PM |
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2l pankake kombi motor. yes it overhangs wildley but with new kadrons and a fresh rebild, this buuggy accelerates to any chosen speed up the most soft
& boggy beaches & dunes in turn and makes $50000+ 4wds look like a joke.
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| posted on October 17th, 2004 at 07:02 PM |
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thats very intersesting i think i might just stick with my 1600 type 1 engine after all this.......at least for now
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| posted on October 19th, 2004 at 02:13 PM |
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ok well if i can sell the rest of the stuff out of the kombi for him he said the engine is only going to cost me 250 bucks it was rebuilt 10 000 k's
ago so im going to buy it and leave it in the shed untill ive got the money for an upright kit etc.
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| posted on October 19th, 2004 at 02:24 PM |
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good idea.
save it for 'ron |
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wes could you check this chart that you speak of........if i got my drums revamped all round (new shoes, linings, dums machined, new lines, dual
circut mastercylinder and a brake booster) could i get away with not having front discs or is it a set rule not a rule based on the braking ability of
the car? i was hoping to keep the drums as they would be a lot stronger than discs.
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| posted on October 19th, 2004 at 02:26 PM |
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save it for 'ron??????
explain please lol
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| posted on October 19th, 2004 at 03:26 PM |
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later ron  |
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