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| posted on May 28th, 2005 at 07:46 PM |
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Anyways, on a serious note, what would be the best engine in terms of being the most reliable and cheap to run as well as being powerful and fast?
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how much money do you have?
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Well, in the future, im predicting a budget of 10 to 14k on a total engine conversion, if i am able to scrounge up enough money in a few years. By
then, there would probably be something better out in the market. But by all means, you can tell me what motor tech is out there.
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| posted on May 28th, 2005 at 08:47 PM |
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i agree with mud bashing my 2L powered bug may be a little heavier due to the engine but it will cruise all day at 110km and hour and doesnt worry
about hills and its stock so who with a stock t1 can say that 
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Now one dude thats why we like type 4's mine was stock with different cam and 1800 heads and it would cruz all day at well over the speed limit thats
why i just had to go get my licence back, there in a league of there own.
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| posted on May 29th, 2005 at 12:37 AM |
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Well, in the future, im predicting a budget of 10 to 14k on a total engine conversion, if i am able to scrounge up enough money in a few years. By
then, there would probably be something better out in the market. But by all means, you can tell me what motor tech is out there.
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That'll get you a nice...well, anything, really!
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perhaps that jet engine? lol
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| posted on May 29th, 2005 at 03:56 PM |
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type 4,s suck
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I would imagine that nower days, the subi would be the go right? Would that be a correct thing to say?
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| posted on May 29th, 2005 at 06:33 PM |
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1700 66mm stroke by 90mm i think
1800 66mm stroke by 93mm
2000 71mm stroke by 94mm
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So how does a short-stroke T4 "out-grunt" a T1 engine...?
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| posted on May 29th, 2005 at 08:03 PM |
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type 4,s suck
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You can say it till you're blue in the face, I don't think you'll change his mind. Hey maybe you and mudbashing should get married:P:P
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| posted on May 30th, 2005 at 09:24 AM |
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i,m only going on my personal experience
that they suck suck suck suck
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How's your conversion going Terry?
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| posted on May 30th, 2005 at 03:01 PM |
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1700 66mm stroke by 90mm i think
1800 66mm stroke by 93mm
2000 71mm stroke by 94mm
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So how does a short-stroke T4 "out-grunt" a T1 engine...?
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I have often wondered this myself.
I "think" it is to do with the rod ratio and the restrictive exhaust ports (dispite being a cross flow head!?!). Hence the huge torque but not so
good to rev.
[Edited on 30/5/2005 by Jeza]
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| posted on May 30th, 2005 at 03:35 PM |
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lol... torque is a function of cylinder filling efficiency...so restrictive ports (I or E) won't help!
A bit O/T but very interesting how some people seem to swear by strokers etc etc yet VW's own 'lugger' commercial engines use a shorter stroke than
thier passenger cars... 
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| posted on May 30th, 2005 at 03:39 PM |
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Not restrictive ports but smaller I.D increases intake/exhaust velocity hence better VE at lower revs = more torque.
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| posted on May 30th, 2005 at 06:57 PM |
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1700 66mm stroke by 90mm i think
1800 66mm stroke by 93mm
2000 71mm stroke by 94mm
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So how does a short-stroke T4 "out-grunt" a T1 engine...?
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Don't know but put one in and feel the grunt ive about 5 type 1's and 2 type 4's and there still going strong unlike the type 1's in the scrap
metal pile outside and terry if thery suck so much what are you going to say when mine whoop's your ass agian cause its going to happen you have my
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| posted on May 30th, 2005 at 07:42 PM |
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try a subi and see how long it lasts and how much butt it kicks. Read lots!!:thumb
You go terry, Subie for PM!
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In my opinion if you put in a type 1 and spend some money on it to get the power you want you spend a lot of money, you put in a type 4 and it already
has more power as standard so you shouldn't have to spend a great deal more but if you go the Subi route yea you'll get more power again but then
you start to complicate matters by having to find somewhere to stick radiators etc in a vehicle that wasn't designed for it. So a type 1 will cost
more to get reasonable power but should also be easier to get parts. A type 4 will give better power and should be more reliable (since it was
designed to push heavier vehicles) and is still aircooled and a subi is more power but more complcated to install. So it all comes down to money,
taste and availability of engines...............If you think this is a load of old bollocks it's only 'cos I've now got one of each
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Yeah, I'm sure you're right ancient bugger, I was just having a stir.
Couldn't help, i've been having a very frustrating discussion on here with ridiculous purist recently (tried to tell me non VW motors ruin the
marque, buggies were never even part of the marque!). Anyway, it's left me with the 'subies are not 2nd class citizens' complex.
I'm sure type 1, 4, and subies are all good given the right build up and right type of offroad use.
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Again it's all a matter of taste, personally I like aircooled and like to keep things as simple as I can for ease of maintenance and reliability but
if you can get hold of a suburu motor for a good price and you're happy with having radiators, water pumps etc then who's stopping you, it's your
car after all and the rest of us can only give our opinions and these are mine and apply to me only. Christ I sound like a right miserable
bas@#*d..I'm not..honest
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If you are going to go water cooled then perhaps consider a different motor, other than a subi.
A lot of the modern V6's are quite compact. Not small enough to fit under a bug deck lid, but without that they may be a good fit. They should be
narrower than the subi, I would guess with two extra cylinders they have more torque than the subi (which is good off road, is it not?) and many are
getting much lighter in weight than they used to be...... just a though.
The simplicity of the aircooled motor is hard to beat though
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When you're talking about offroad vehicles I think reliability has to be a major factor. I mean you don't want to be miles up a beach with an
in-coming tide trying to work out why the motors not running. It's not like you'd have tons of traffic driving past you or even that your mobile
would have coverage or that the RAC(Q/V/etc) could come and tow you home. A VW may not be the most reliable nowadays but in my experience I've always
been able to bodge something together to get one running somehow may not be the same with modern computerised engines or one that's burst a
radiator....again just my opinion based on 30 odd years of experience (and a hell of a lot of swearing/kicking/screaming)
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how often does water leak out of any water cooled car ?
so i dont know why every body is worried about bursting radiators
we are Not sticking them together with sticky tape you know
so why is it allways said they will leak
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tim you are full of shit
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posted by JezaA lot of the modern V6's are quite compact. Not small enough to fit under a bug deck lid, but without that they may be a good
fit. They should be narrower than the subi, I would guess with two extra cylinders they have more torque than the subi (which is good off road, is it
not?) and many are getting much lighter in weight than they used to be...... just a though.
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Trouble is V6's have deep sumps, therefore the ground clearance will be hardly anything, which is not good for a baja! Flat-four motors (VW or
Subie) are flatter and not as low, so their ground clearance is much better, wich is just what a baja or buggy needs.
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posted by JezaA lot of the modern V6's are quite compact. Not small enough to fit under a bug deck lid, but without that they may be a good
fit. They should be narrower than the subi, I would guess with two extra cylinders they have more torque than the subi (which is good off road, is it
not?) and many are getting much lighter in weight than they used to be...... just a though.
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Trouble is V6's have deep sumps, therefore the ground clearance will be hardly anything, which is not good for a baja! Flat-four motors (VW or
Subie) are flatter and not as low, so their ground clearance is much better, wich is just what a baja or buggy needs.
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And rego is cheeper as well.....
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posted by JezaA lot of the modern V6's are quite compact. Not small enough to fit under a bug deck lid, but without that they may be a good
fit. They should be narrower than the subi, I would guess with two extra cylinders they have more torque than the subi (which is good off road, is it
not?) and many are getting much lighter in weight than they used to be...... just a though.
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Trouble is V6's have deep sumps, therefore the ground clearance will be hardly anything, which is not good for a baja! Flat-four motors (VW or
Subie) are flatter and not as low, so their ground clearance is much better, wich is just what a baja or buggy needs.
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Umm, I wish. Subies have a much lower sump than the Mazda V6 BajaWes used. Anything serious for offroad using a subie needs a shortened sump. But you
are right about width. However width isn't so much of an issue in a buggy, it's more length. But then a lot of the offroad guys use straight 4s and
they have no probs.
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Full of shit now thats not nice honey and what part would i be full of shit on the pille of type 1's or the im going to whoop some butt cause if i
could post photos i would show you them and as for whipping butt youll just have to wait your turn:P
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As you have probably gathered the best motor is not a straight cut answer. Everyone has there own choice or preference. There is no one correct answer
as far as this forum is concerned.
As far as individuals are concerned they have their own correct answer for this.
I know what my choice is, but I respect others for their choice. Type I are proven engines off road, Type IV are proven off road.
As far as water cooled engines go, Wes's Mazda V6 Baja is a proven package. Subaru's are gaining popularity. Time will tell how good these really
are as an option.
I personally have chosen to go EJ22 in my ground up rebuilt Manx. I've started from the ground up with the intent of going EJ22 so it's not a patch
job. I like the reliability and easy servicing of the EJ. The computer is no big deal. What I find a big deal is the constant tappet adjustments and
oil changes on type I's and always playing with carbies etc. The EJ is just turn key and go, fuel efficient, easily serviced and in my opinion more
reliable then a VW motor of any type.
I pray to the VW gods every time I take out my 1641 Type I Manx that it will get me home, I'm hoping to be less religious about the Subaru.
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i'm just going to stay with my type 1 and when it dies, i will use the opportunity to do a rebuild and do it all myslef and keep it fairly standard
as parts are pretty cheap. my buggy is just a toy really, not a daily driver. it goes where ever you point it, so i dont know whether a better motor
would get me further or just faster. i am not a speed deamon in a car. if i want to go fast off road i ride my dirtbike. rebuilding the motor and
working on the buggy generally is part of having it, sort of like zen and the art of motorcycle maintenancre. my 2c anyway.
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A lot of modern radiators now have plastic tanks top and bottom such as on our mitsubishi Delica 4x4 which is also a pressurised system and the
plastic tank is clipped on!!! Our rad blew a few weeks back and the guy said this was the norm, it's fixed now but I'll stick with the aircooled VW
they suit me
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Umm, I wish. Subies have a much lower sump than the Mazda V6 BajaWes used. Anything serious for offroad using a subie needs a shortened sump. But you
are right about width. However width isn't so much of an issue in a buggy, it's more length. But then a lot of the offroad guys use straight 4s and
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Thanks Pete, that is what I thought. I would also guess that the length of a V6 is similar to that of an inline 4?
Perhaps the best engine is one you feel comfortable with, so that when you are out in the sticks and it acts up your not afraid to "open the bonnet"
(substitute appropriate words for a buggy / baja application and get
your hands dirty
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