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 hypo-vw
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the intercooler has been mounted , along with the electric water pump , hoses and reservoir for the coolant . battery box relocated to left hand side
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| posted on April 7th, 2005 at 12:10 AM |
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| posted on April 7th, 2005 at 02:25 PM |
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If you get the grip.... then you will probably
need wheelie bars..... very nice Wayne
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| posted on April 7th, 2005 at 05:41 PM |
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Just out of curiosity what sort of work will it take to get something like that engineered and street legal? Im assuming you will have to get it blue
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| posted on April 7th, 2005 at 05:56 PM |
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I would suspect Wayne would have been talking to an engineer during the planning and build.
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| posted on April 7th, 2005 at 06:04 PM |
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i hope he has cause those specs would put it on the upper limits of the ADRs. im not knocking it wayne just curious if you have found some way around
it.
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| posted on April 7th, 2005 at 08:30 PM |
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The removal of the original firewall would cause problems I would imagine. Dont know about the aluminium beam either? Not trying to pick on your
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| posted on April 7th, 2005 at 11:03 PM |
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The removal of the original firewall would cause problems I would imagine. Dont know about the aluminium beam either? Not trying to pick on your
project, just curious what the engineer (if required) says. Do T4 conversions technically need engineering, even in stock form?
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When it comes to engineering, it's all about how the engineer interprets the rules. Remember these are guidelines and the RTA can make exceptions.
It's all about asking the "right " questions. Talk to your engineer and explain to them what you would like to acheive. Most are willing to advise
on how you can do it.
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| posted on April 10th, 2005 at 07:30 PM |
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I would suspect Wayne would have been talking to an engineer during the planning and build.
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I have been consulting an engineer during the build process and have found a few hick-ups , but a small amount of thought and planning helped get
around these problems . Firstly you are only allowed to increase the engine capacity on a vehicle , by 2.5 x the vehicle origional weight when using a
turbo charged engine . With the oval being on a 1967 floorpan it is classed technically by RTA as a 1967 beetle . The standard weight of a 1967
beetle is 780kgs , therefore ( 2.5 X 780 = 1950 ml ) The 2.9 litre engine is built into an AP engine case so as far as RTA and the engineer is
concerned it is a 1795 ml kombi engine . Secondly , engine and transmission assembly are NOT allowed to be solid mounted for an engineers report . We
have to do a full assembly and get the bug running with rubber mounts and after the engineers report is obtained , remove it all and fit the solid
mount and strap kit so that we can drag race it without the engine jumping out of the bug . Thirdly , all seat belt anchorages have to be approved .
Fourthly , flashing turn signal indicators must be fitted to all corners of a vehicle for an engineer report that consists of an engine conversion .
For this I will fit small aftermarket indicators to the bumper brackets , but will probably remove them later so as the oval looks more origional with
working semaphores . Fifthly , working windscreen washers must be fitted to the bug , so I will reluctantly fit a washer nozzle to the windscreen
lower panel . Tandem circuit brake master cylinder and disc brakes must be fitted to the front , but that to me is just common sense . WILL KEEP YOU
ALL POSTED ON PROGRESS !!:jesus
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It may be a big ask , but we a hoping to run high 10's and 130mph with this fully engineered and street regeristed bug .
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Ah so it won't really be an engineered and legal car then...
Such a shame the mods will happen after engineering. I was hoping to see a sub 11sec VW that is really legal.
[Edited on 10-4-2005 by HotRodMatt]
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| posted on April 10th, 2005 at 09:50 PM |
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With so much metal remove from the rear of the car is that going to cause any structural probs?
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| posted on April 10th, 2005 at 10:26 PM |
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Ah so it won't really be an engineered and legal car then...
Such a shame the mods will happen after engineering. I was hoping to see a sub 11sec VW that is really legal.
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so will it be classified as not legal Matt if the indicators are removed and the engine mounts are solid ? I can see where this would really make the
oval illegal . For a blue slip it is not required to have insulated mounts , only a requirement from an engineer . The oval will still be street legal
with full rego and engineer reports and driven !!:repuke
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| posted on April 10th, 2005 at 10:31 PM |
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With so much metal remove from the rear of the car is that going to cause any structural probs?
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the cut that has been made to the firewall must be reinforced to get engineer approval . I have already manufactured an alumimium chequeplate housing
which totally seals off the engine from the cabin area and it also strengthens the firewall area where it has been cut . Will post pics soon .:duh
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| posted on April 11th, 2005 at 09:19 AM |
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so will it be classified as not legal Matt if the indicators are removed and the engine mounts are solid ? I can see where this would really make the
oval illegal . For a blue slip it is not required to have insulated mounts , only a requirement from an engineer . The oval will still be street legal
with full rego and engineer reports and driven !!:repuke
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If the engineering and rego says it is 1.8L and you have 2.9L then no, it is definitely not legal.
I'm not saying it aint gonna be a good car, just it won't exactly be a fully legal and engineered car which is what you said in your first post.
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| posted on April 11th, 2005 at 12:42 PM |
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Nobody had better mention the "Gene Berg Trophy"
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VW car, VW engine ...... keepin it "real"
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| posted on April 11th, 2005 at 12:58 PM |
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Nobody had better mention the "Gene Berg Trophy"
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hahahaha
Such a pity the jump from Modified Production to ICV is so difficult with a Beetle. Would be awesome to see a "truly" legal car of the performance
this one should produce.
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exactly
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| posted on April 11th, 2005 at 06:17 PM |
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who will you get to blue slip it? most places wont touch something like that. |
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| posted on April 11th, 2005 at 08:22 PM |
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I can't wait to see and hear it run!! It'll probably be better engineered than a most cars on the road a/way!  |
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| posted on April 12th, 2005 at 05:14 AM |
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nice work wayne,are you going to run the electric water pump continuously are wait for temp saturation then have it start with a temp switch.that cc
to orignal weight is a killer in vic we never had it before but because all the states are lining up we,ll cop it know ,what I,m doing is putting a
1974 l-bug pan under my oval for the higher weight ratio but using a mitsu L300 double wishbone suspension so I can also run 7" wheels on the front
and a complete 944 rear end to comply with the porsche rear track front track I can comply with the mitsu but I,m narrowing it 80mm.I thought you
might of used a similar inlet manifold as your drag car but smaller diameter and is the exhaust going to be 4-1 or 4-2-1 the later good for pulsing
being a street car aswell .
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| posted on April 12th, 2005 at 07:33 AM |
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Nobody had better mention the "Gene Berg Trophy"
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before making comments 56astro maybe you should do your homework on the subject . THE GENE BERG TROPHY is a category for the FASTEST STREET REGERISTED
VW . The car must be RTA REGERISTED with the ENGINE & CHASSIS NUMBERS MATCHING THE REGO PAPERWORK . The COOLING SYSTEM must be intact . The engine
must run on PUMP PETROL ONLY . Only STREET TYRES to be used . The BODY & DOORS MUST BE STEEL . GLASS must be fitted , no perspex . SPARE WHEEL
must be fitted . The car must be able to be DRIVEN @ 110KPH FOR 15 MINS .
I have highlighted the areas where the oval will comply , just incase you get confussed !!
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nice work wayne,are you going to run the electric water pump continuously are wait for temp saturation then have it start with a temp switch.that cc
to orignal weight is a killer in vic we never had it before but because all the states are lining up we,ll cop it know ,what I,m doing is putting a
1974 l-bug pan under my oval for the higher weight ratio but using a mitsu L300 double wishbone suspension so I can also run 7" wheels on the front
and a complete 944 rear end to comply with the porsche rear track front track I can comply with the mitsu but I,m narrowing it 80mm.I thought you
might of used a similar inlet manifold as your drag car but smaller diameter and is the exhaust going to be 4-1 or 4-2-1 the later good for pulsing
being a street car aswell .
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the water pump for the intercooler will run continously when the ignition is switched on . the exhaust will be 4-2 only as I am running a split
exhaust housing on the turbo . Much quicker spool up !!
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| posted on April 12th, 2005 at 01:55 PM |
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This thing will be awesome once complete, regulatory niggles aside.
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update , transmission ready
I have stayed back at work tonight and assembled the transmission . Trans now runs a 3.875 diff with welded diff centre , 4.11 / 2.21 / 1.44 / 1.04
gear sets . Berg chromemoly axles , Berg side plate strenghteners . Here are a few pics .
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gear cluster assembled . notice the very strong 1st gear which is almost straight-cut . It has a 10 degree helical-cut and is wider than stock .
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| posted on April 12th, 2005 at 10:33 PM |
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It may be a big ask , but we a hoping to run high 10's and 130mph with this fully engineered and street regeristed bug .
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Ah so it won't really be an engineered and legal car then...
Such a shame the mods will happen after engineering. I was hoping to see a sub 11sec VW that is really legal.
[Edited on 10-4-2005 by HotRodMatt]
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As a hotrodder you should know that there are many registered cars out there that have pushed the barriers with regards to engine capacities, example
you can push the holden 308 out to 400 cubic inches but visually it still looks like a 308 and the engine numbers still match. If a cop/rta officer
pulled you over do you think they would be able to tell??
You know the game like the rest of us
Keep pushing the boundaries Hypovw, cause we already live in a restricted democracy where the government and authorities tell us what we can and
can't do......
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complete gear carrier assembled and shift forks adjusted .
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gear carrier assembly being fitted to main housing .
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welded diff centre .
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