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Hi Ian,
Motor & turbo setup is looking good, yeah it should be one of the quickest things around. Where are you importing your built tranny from? I'm
thinking of doing this for my car, but not sure how much it will set me back, all the ads in the mags are based on the builder taking back a "core",
also I was wondering about freight costs, would be a bit for something this heavy wouldn't it??
Can you give me a rough guide of cost, ie 3 times the US price etc???
Thanks Greg
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sorry.. no idea of pricing... i'm going to buy through a friend that imports from rancho. I should be able to get it about 50% cheaper, but i'm
still expecting a 1500 $AUD price tag, which is cheap considering... The same box for me to direct improt would most likely cost me an easy 3500...
Its a little way off till I get that ordered though... Got to pay off the credit card... 
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Man, cheap tranny!
What happened to the Mendeola idea?
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That's mad Alan.
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I investigated whats involved in fitting the bloddy thing! Major rear end re-work... I figure i'll see how things go with a built tranny and so long
as I have a spare I'll take it easy...
Muffler mike runs a type 1 box and runs the 10.90 index class at 120-130mph, and mostly just cracks ring gears each season. considering I won't be
using slicks, so long as its all braced properly it should survive.
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Its a little way off till I get that ordered though... Got to pay off the credit card...
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I know that feeling all too well...
Seems a good price though for what it is, Rancho are one of the better trans shops out there from what i read, you're on a winner there for sure
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| posted on August 9th, 2005 at 10:30 AM |
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Hi Ian, will the GT2871RS fit under the apron and tin? Does the oil drain naturally or need a pump? Any problems that you encountered when building
you manifold to look out for would be greatly appreciated. I will be doing mine shortly and thought it would be great if i could get it in 1st pop.
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I mounted the turbo off the universal case left rear mount, so I didn't need to support the long pipe back to the collector. There was an unexpected
side benefit from this too. I no longer need to unbolt the entire header to remove the turbo. I only need to unbolt the mount, flange and exhaust
bolts and the turbo can be lifted out from the top.
The GT2871 is the same physical size as my GT28-320, so it will fit just fine. I've modified my main case as well, and have fitted an oil return to
the side of the sump part underneith the number 4 exhaust pushrod tube. I copied this idea from Sharkey (James Lidstone) off the shoptalk forum.
I really recommend doing away with the merged collector. They are just too dam hard to make. Have the 4 pipes come together to a 10mm thick 90x90 mm
plate, and have the pipes welded on what will become the inside of the collector. Then buy a 4" to 2" transition from an exhaust shop, and bash the
4" end of it square. Flatten it off and weld that to your 90mm plate and then you've got the collector sorted out.
The only other thing to watch is that you don't do too much of an angle on the number 1 cylinder. It measured up fine, but I had to cut about 10mm
off the side of my rear transmission mount to clearance the exhaust after the header wrap went on. (I'm not using a stock rear mount, its a 4mm
plate with rubber lined strap) The pic is of the purple67's exhaust, but it was the only pick I could find easily...
Also, if you look at the pic of the header on the floor on the first page of this post you will notice that I've welded the 1 and 2 pipes together
with a brace. This greatly helped the rigidity of the header.
I forgot to post a response to your comment about the 0.64 gt2871 over boost issue too. Its because the internal wastegate is too small. The
solution is to run an external wastegate with the 0.64 turbine which would give you the low end boost response, plus the advantage of better boost
control.
The turbosmart 35mm one will do the job nicely!
Incidently, my GT28-320 would over boost as well when on full boost in 4th gear. Thats because when the engine and turbine are in their peak
efficency range (4500 engine RPM) and the engine is at full load, the exhaust gas flow is at its greatest. Having a gated boost control valve
doesn't help this either...
Cheers,
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| posted on August 11th, 2005 at 07:51 PM |
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All that beatiful stainless work - covered up with thermal
wrap.
That is excellent, cant wait to hear how it goes.
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| posted on August 12th, 2005 at 09:09 AM |
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Yeah well I could have polished it, but its a street car not a show car and i'm more concerned about my paint being heat damaged than I am about
pretty exhausts.
That being said, the polished down pipe looks like a mirror and wait till you see the 5" carbon fiber muffler with 4" tip thats going under the car!
The new header allows huge mufflers to fit under the rear apron now...
Last night I installed the cut to length pushrods, rocker covers (which required some body clearancing due to the wider stroker engine), and finished
off the turbo oil return.
With any luck my oil lines will arrive today... So much for overnight delivery...
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| posted on August 12th, 2005 at 01:58 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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With any luck my oil lines will arrive today... So much for overnight delivery...
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Yeah, I know how you feel, I'm still waiting for my 4-6 week delivery from the states, 14 or so weeks later. The vendor is trying to track it down
for me
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| posted on August 12th, 2005 at 02:44 PM |
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are they speed flow lines your waiting for
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Yeah it was speedflow fittings... but I ended up buying some secondhand speedflow stuff and some pirtec hydraulic stuff so I could get it going...
So after spending all weekend working on the car i've finally got it running. I didn't record the cam break-in on video as it would have been
embarising due to how many times I had to get under the car to fix oil leaks. Not the smoothest of engine break-in's ive ever done...
Here is a pic of the oil system plumbing. The larger filter is only installed for break-in, and a smaller z89 is now installed. The black rectangle
thing is an adjustable avaid external oil pressure regulator.
Durung the cam breakin I thought I had leaky rocker cover gaskets, but it was actually the jaycee pushrod leaking where the seal hadn't correctly
sealed to the cylinder head. Because of the aluminium washer that supports the seal is so close to the head, oil appeared to be leaking from the
rocker cover... After removing and re-installing all four pushrod tubes on number 3 and 4 cylinders all oil leaks were sorted. This was dam hard to
do as well as the turbo header is a very tight fit in that area, plus the engine was hot too.
So I did the cam break in and all went well. Changed the oil, filter etc and adjusted the valves again, fitted a muffler and then made this video...
I should have made the video without the muffler, it sounded a lot more impressive. Like a harley davidson race bike.. 
http://www.cairns.net.au/~nqeaho/2332/2332lowres.wmv
http://www.cairns.net.au/~nqeaho/2332/2332hq.wmv
The video is of the car running while I play with the efi maps a little. Upgrading from a 1641cc with 380cc injectors and 50lb rail pressure to a
2332 with 660cc injectors and 40lb rail pressure, I was supprised that the map didn't appear to need that many changes. We'll see when I get it up
on the boost.
It gets revs very quickly. I still haevn't driven it yet but want to have it finished by thursday. All that remains is tidying of a little wiring
and installation of the intercooler and intake plumbing. Then i'll need to learn to drive again.
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| posted on August 15th, 2005 at 01:08 PM |
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you know that they are based here in australia, the bloke who designs and owns the company actually live just across the road from my old man and his
factory is in taree. i know all this cause i use his lines on my 2L t4. ill make sure to watch the movies when i get home as im at work and they dont
like it if we start streaming movies
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thats one mean motor mate i could hear the power.
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Yeah it was speedflow fittings I was waiting for, but the problem was the local guy I was buying through had vanished. There wasn't any supplier
issue. I ended up ordering from VPW mail order online, and it all arrived today. So i'll be re-making my oil lines next weekend when the 2.5"
exhaust also gets upgraded to a 3" system.
For the moment i've modified the old 2.5" system so its drivable and legal.
As for the sound, you should have heard it straight out of the dump pipe. DAM! I'll do another video of that when I fit the new 3" system.
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Well its all going well so far. I've barely touched on the street tuning yet. The low end torque is amazing. I've got the wastegate wound all the
way out to 5lb. The turbo starts spooling around 2000 rpm, big torque kicks in fully at 5lb around the 2400 rpm mark and then it just pins you in the
seat. Quite an experience considering how laggy my previous engine was, this one drives like its supercharged instead. I'll most likely be having to
change the turbo at some stage to either the GT28RS-350 or a GT2871 with the 86 turbine and the 0.6 compressor.
I've got to finish running it in, but after then it will be very interesting to see what it does when I rev it above 4000 and am running 15lb boost.
Thats still 1000K's away though and i'm not in any hurry. I still need to buy my pauter 1.3:1 rockers, aircooled.net pushrods and make a 3"
exhaust.
Here's some high res pics of the engine bay.
http://www.cairns.net.au/~nqeaho/linkdpics/IMG_0928.jpg
http://www.cairns.net.au/~nqeaho/linkdpics/IMG_0929.jpg
http://www.cairns.net.au/~nqeaho/linkdpics/IMG_0930.jpg
http://www.cairns.net.au/~nqeaho/linkdpics/IMG_0931.jpg
http://www.cairns.net.au/~nqeaho/linkdpics/IMG_0932.jpg
I still need to finish the heat shield above the turbo and tidy up all the hoses but for the moment it all works and is allowing me to drive it. The
oil feed fitting on the turbo from the previous engine sits too high now so I need to replace the oil feed line with something thats a diferent shape
like a 100 degree earls fitting or something. That will sort out the heat shield.
So much to do... but I need a break from it now that its running. Last week I worked all night two nights in a row and was up late every other night
so getting some catchup sleep is my current project.
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| posted on August 21st, 2005 at 07:06 AM |
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Ah finally he is a man of lesure! don't think that will last long
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| posted on August 21st, 2005 at 09:28 AM |
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Got that right! I'm disassembling your stroker engine today in preporation for the 4 cam head conversion plates that I am collecting on monday or
tuesday. I'll be sure to post pics.
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Ian, after driving your car, do you think my GT2871 is going to be laggy on my 2165?
Do you think the TCS-20 will be ok with 1:25 rockers? Any heat side effects on the header setup? Also can you do me a favour, could you please take a
photo of the sump on your car and let me know what it is. I was thinking of going for a CB slim line sump and am a little worried that the single 2.5
inch pipe back to the turbo will be too close as the sump sticks out about 50mm wider than the sump on the case on both sides.
Thanks again for the advice.
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I'd say with the 0.64 turbine will be very responsive. Mine is virtually too responsive, and i'm seriously considering the 0.86 housing on my
gt2871 upgrade.
No heat issues at all with the engine at all. Porsche cooling on competition eliminator heads provide a perfectly streetable engine with no cooling
issues at all. I'm using a power pully size pully, not a 5.5" one on the crank though, so its spinning the fan about the same speed it would be if
it were on a 911. At its hottest it runs around the 95 degree C mark oil temp. The head oil temp sensor reports up to 105 degrees C. I use the head
temp sensor for the ECU to provide fuel enrichment at startup.
I can't provide any info about how decent the power band is yet, as I've not yet taken it over about 4200 RPM, but it pulls hard core all the way
from 2300 to there. The main advantage of this engine is that I'm actually going to be able to use 4th gear when I race it. The torque and HP
occurs at a low enough RPM that when I shift to 4th its still ready to accelerate hard. Unlike the 1641 that would require me to rev it to 6500 in
3rd before I changed gears.
I'm using one of those new EMPI wide glide sumps. It holds nearly 5lt of oil by itself. If i were to full the engine to the full mark it would have
to have nearly 7lt of total capacity, but because my oil return is to the side of the crankcase I only fill it to the bottom of the dipstick. I
highly recommend installing a 3/4" oil return to the side of your engine with a bulkhead fitting from pirtec or enzed.. The main issue I had with
the CB header was the oil return, which is absolutly perfect with this new header and oil return arrangement.
I'm using a 2" pipe fromt he collector to the turbo, as that size pipe merges exactly when bent into a rectangle and welded onto a T25/T28
flange.
I'm getting under the car again this weekend, so i'll take a heap of pics to show all the relivent things and post them on my website again. Its
about time I updated that thing!
Cheers,
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| posted on August 25th, 2005 at 01:23 PM |
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Looking at your engine bay photos Ian, god it must have been a head f$%k trying to sort out the PWR water / air intercooler ? Looks like its very
tight in there.
Would be a crack up to rock up to your local vw dealer and ask them to service it......
What sort of 1/4 mile times are you expecting once run in and dynoed ?
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| posted on August 26th, 2005 at 09:39 AM |
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Whoo Hoo! :thumb
I was lucky enough to see and go for a drive in Ian's sweet beetle last night. What a rush.....at it's only revving to 4000rpm and running 5lb boost
at the moment!
Talk about a car that is being developed to perfection.
..and the torque the engine develops, 4th gear at 60km/h and it still pulls.
It's a real credit to you Ian.
Thanks for your time to catch up while I was there.
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Yeah it took about 5 hours to sort out the intake plumbing and get it all back in there. The main issues was caused by the competition eliminator
heads and manifolds not having offset positioning, unlike the 044 CB manifolds that put the two throttle bodies inline with each other.
That simple change throws out the positioning of all my intake plumbing, and means the throttle linkages had to be totally re-worked. What a pain in
the ass that was. But its mostly sorted now. I still need to finish off some heat shielding above the turbo, and replace some of the cloth braided
pirtec fittings with stainless hose and speed flow stuff.
As for 1/4 mile times, it should do low 12's with street tyres, and 10's with slicks. I've been investigating the folts swing axel gearbox
conversion for teh 6 rib kombi box again, and have tried to contact Rod Penrose to see if he wants to sell his spare box from his old bug drag car...
but no contact back from him yet.
My next step is putting in a 5 link kaffar brace system... Doing the measure up this weekend, and fortunatly I can buy all the turn buckles out of
polished stainless steel at a greatly reduced price thanks to where I work.
Capsoval over in the US with a simular engine to mine, (longer rods and T3/T4 turbo), tells me his car make excelent power, and it had enough to rip
all the teeth of 2nd gear around the 4500 RPM mark... so its going to be a LOT of fun at 15lb boost.
Can't wait to race a few skylines or STI's... Show them what a real fast car can do.. Still got to put another 800k's on the engine, add the second valve springs and install some pauter 1.3:1 rockers and
new pushrods first...
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This things gona be nuts :thumb:thumb:bounce:bounce |
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| posted on August 26th, 2005 at 10:57 AM |
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Ian that is the stuff of dreams. I'm looking forward to a future Gene Berg Trophy shootout and what the results could be.
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Whatcha waitn for?
Hows it coming together?
T54
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Reub's I missed your visit? bugger Maybe next time dude!
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Reub's I missed your visit? bugger Maybe next time dude!
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Yeah, it was litterally a flying visit. Flew out from Darwin at 2am Thursday morning for a meeting in Sydney then flew back to Darwin via Cairns
getting back here at 830pm Thursday night. Was only there for an hour, just enough to have a drool over Ian's bug, go for a spin and have a quick
chat.
Reub
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Any progress Ian?
Any underneath photos?
Thanks
Heath,
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| Quote: | Originally
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Ian that is the stuff of dreams. I'm looking forward to a future Gene Berg Trophy shootout and what the results could be.
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Its great to watch the build up Ian and you are doing a great job mate , but dont get your hopes up on the Gene Berg trophy . I built my oval to
contest the Gene Berg trophy only this year and made sure that the oval complied with all stated rules , only to be denied the trophy ( even though I
had the fastest street registed VW ) because Jeff Unwin and Dave Birchall got together and decided to change the rules so that my oval wouldn't
comply . They claimed that the oval doesn't comply due to the engine size being 2842ml and the rego papers showing 1795ml ( AP engine case from an
1800 kombi ) RTA had confirmed with me that the engine size for rego is determined by the engine number , but that is not good enough for the
organisers of the event . I tried to discuss this with Dave Birchall on the phone , but he just hung-up on me . ( easy to tell he doesn't know what
he is talking about , just being led by others ) Nothing is mentioned in the written rules regarding engine size , the only requirements are the
chassis and engine numbers must match the rego papers ( and mine do !! ) I have spoken to Richard Holzl , Paul Muller and others that have won the
Gene Berg trophy in the past with 2 litre engines registed as 1600 's and that was OK for them . BEWARE OF CONSTANT UNWRITTEN RULE CHANGES !! I got
bitten , and I sincerely hope that you dont have the same problems .
:jesus
Team 
FASTEST ET @ WARWICK 2010 & 2011
FASTEST SPEED @ WARWICK 2011
FASTEST ET & SPEED WSID 2012
PB - 6.33@113.07(1/8) & 9.88@135(1/4)
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