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posted on March 30th, 2006 at 05:03 PM
Can people please remember that it's not cool to generalise a whole group of people in such a negative way! I'm a teacher and I really take offence
at anyone suggesting that I don't care about my work or my students, and that I get overpaid considering all of the leave I get. Remember that unless
you have experience in the actual job then you probably don't know what you are talking about. Even if you have been a teacher there is very little
merit in suggesting that all schools are the same, let alone teachers.
Surely everyone can remember the variety of teachers they had at school and the fact that different teachers communicated with students and taught in
different ways. Please don't start slagging off the work that I do as I love it and believe that I'm good at it.
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posted on March 30th, 2006 at 08:50 PM
I agree about the difference in teachers. It is the variety that makes school a viable place to be when you are a student. You gel better with some
teachers and/ or subjects and it helps to form your learning curve in various areas.
I may have been ok in maths and crap at english then, but now I have to use a calculator to work out change and read heaps of massive books. Totally
opposite to then. I realise now it was my relation to those particular teachers. Different personalities, different reactions. That's life.
I suppose I will get there one day when I have kids. They will know respect for not just teachers or older adults, but tolerance for all people,
that's for sure. If anyone will give ateacher a hard time it will be me
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Can people please remember that it's not cool to generalise a whole group of people in such a negative way! I'm a teacher and I really take offence
at anyone suggesting that I don't care about my work or my students, and that I get overpaid considering all of the leave I get. Remember that unless
you have experience in the actual job then you probably don't know what you are talking about. Even if you have been a teacher there is very little
merit in suggesting that all schools are the same, let alone teachers.
Surely everyone can remember the variety of teachers they had at school and the fact that different teachers communicated with students and taught in
different ways. Please don't start slagging off the work that I do as I love it and believe that I'm good at it.
Cool. As a teacher, what are your thoughts on what I started this thread about. The only reason why I'm raising it is that I've only heard of this
thing happening this year, and so was querying whether this is an overall policy change, or just school specific. I certainly would like to hear and
understand what you think.
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Teachers faciliate learning - that's what we do. We are not 'trained' as social workers and most teachers do not want to be the moral/social
justice police. Be assured, kids behave quite differently at school to home, the act differently from class to class, depending on their interest in
the topic and their peer group.
Teachers/Schools are goverened by policy, and the school is not able to 'make' this stuff up. It is important that kids study - it actually will
improve their life chances - so perhaps a contract with parents should be seen as a positive partnership with parents to assist in your kids social
and accademic development.
Given the amount of 'material' to be covered in each KLA, it is not a simple task of showing up and keeping them busy. Most good teachers spend
twice as much time preparing lessons as they do delivering them. Dealing with errant kids - especially those that avoid work by causing regular,
repeated oppositional disruption greatly affects the whole class.
Some parents are involved with their kids, others treat school as a welcome break from thier kids. Like any policy, some feel it unwelcome for various
reasons.
But - the reality in schools is teachers struggle to teach, due to the restrictions and duty of care that governs the operation of the classroom.
If you don't ask a kid a question, then you are disadvantaging them, ask them a question and your picking on them. The bottom line is, if a kid gets
up, tells you to fk off and walks out, then not only is the teacher unable to do anything about it, but if that kid then gets hit by a car, or just
claims to have fallen over in the hallway, then the teacher is responsible and the school liable.
It is a very thin line that holds schools 'in order', kids that want to cause chaos can and there's stuff all the teacher or school can do about it
if the kids hell bent on doing so. It's also very hard to turf a kid, and even if they manage it, then you have to find a school to accept them - and
the next school doesn't have to. So you can still be stuck with them.
The vast majority of kids are just that - kids - they are developing an awareness of the world, but without parental example and reinforcement of the
need to act like a reasonable citizen and to work towards their own future, then it makes the schools job way harder than it needs to be.
Try dealing with 32 17 year olds that just walk in after they've had a rollocking from another teacher for poor behaviour (kids are great at playing
the victim card), then trying to clam them down and inject knowledge, when they'd rather perpetuate the previous incident. The lesson is blown and
you spend an hour playing social worker.
Not that I'm bitching, it can be very rewarding when kids try and succeed, and most schools have a positive sense of community...but given the amount
of training and re-training, changes to the syllabus, increased demands on attainment etc., then without parents putting in to assist its an ever
decreasing circle.
If youve got high school kids, do their teacher a favour - sit down with them and read a book, check their homework, ask the teacher what they should
be doing.
It's not the 'content' that is often the issue, but simple literacy levels - reading and writing that parents can help with ... not policing, but
just being involved in their weekly study programme. If kids know that the school talks to their parents regularly and that the parents interest in
accademic achievement is as strong as the teachers, then they stand a much better chance of doing better, and kids that are interested, engaged in
study and value learning are far less likely to disrupt lessons.
Maybe the word 'contract' is wrong, if they called it a 'commitment to learning' or a parent partnership, then it might have been better.
Go to parents evenings, talk to the teachers once a week ... be proactive ... the more we know about the kids, the less social profiling we have to do
to try and figure out what motivates them, or why the hell they are so pissed off.
Ah and turn up to parents evenings will ya. In senior years as few as 20% of the kids parents actually show up....says a lot about parental
interest.
They're your kids ... if they give you crap at home, then imagine that x 180 - which is about the average number we get to be responsible for. It
only takes a few per class to hold back the rest ... you 100% sure it's not your kid thats the class pain in the arse?
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I would be taking their little contract to the press and embarrassing the 21 year old who dreamed it up straight after graduating from a course they
got into with a tertiary entrance rank of 36!
I don't know about in NSW, but in Victoria, the scores required for a post graduate diploma in education are certainly not a piece of cake (not
degree straight out of school stuff, but teaching qualification none the less).
I applied for entry to the post graduate diploma and got in last year - however, I got in as a full fee paying student, not HECS, as my previous
scores from my under graduate degree were not high enough for a HECS place. Please keep in mind that I had a score that was just fractionally under a
distinction average.
I have now graduated with flying colours from my diploma (all As except for two very high Bs) and as yet, don't have a job. Hopefully all those
'current round of teachers' will retire SOON!
Just another angle...
...what? so you think you can get onto a Bachelor of Education with that score ... think again. Those days are well gone. Think the UAI for UWS last
year was well over 85. Why the hell would you do 4 years to graduate on a poxy 40 odd grand.
Why would a teacher take on extra duties as co-ordinators etc., for the poxy amount more you get - they do it because they want to help the kids, sure
as hell don't do it for the pay or conditions.
Try co-ordinating a TAS department with 800 kids in food, wood, metal, computing, electronics, engineering, construction, hospitality, textiles - on a
budget of $6000 a year....lol...how much bs and stress is that for a whopping 5k a year more....
Don't talk shite ... 21 year olds don't make policy, nor do they graduate off mickey mouse degree courses. Did you know that 75% of the degree is
study of exactly the same subjects that other do in computing, science etc., just that when teachers graduate, they can expect to earn half of the
others that have been studying the same Uni Units in different degree streams. The level of work and study to be a computing teacher is nothing
different to someone wanting to get into Corporate IT for example, same units, same exams...
Dream on ...
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posted on March 30th, 2006 at 09:56 PM
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Given the amount of 'material' to be covered in each KLA, it is not a simple task of showing up and keeping them busy. Most good teachers spend
twice as much time preparing lessons as they do delivering them. Dealing with errant kids - especially those that avoid work by causing regular,
repeated oppositional disruption greatly affects the whole class.
If you don't ask a kid a question, then you are disadvantaging them, ask them a question and your picking on them. The bottom line is, if a kid gets
up, tells you to fk off and walks out, then not only is the teacher unable to do anything about it, but if that kid then gets hit by a car, or just
claims to have fallen over in the hallway, then the teacher is responsible and the school liable.
It is a very thin line that holds schools 'in order', kids that want to cause chaos can and there's stuff all the teacher or school can do about it
if the kids hell bent on doing so. It's also very hard to turf a kid, and even if they manage it, then you have to find a school to accept them - and
the next school doesn't have to. So you can still be stuck with them.
1stly, Deano, you have a good job, get me one like yours...
2ndly, teachers dont get paid enough compared to the responsibility they have and the amount of after hours prep they do. I earn every second of my
time off...
3rdly, if a student told me "to F off" i would put the paper work in and they would be on a short suspension, policy is 2 short suspensions, 1 long
and you're out of my school off to another, with schools numbers dropping, easier to find a place...thats for k-10, anyone over 15, you're on your
own, we dont have to find you a place, you dont have to be at school, but good luck getting a job without finishing school.
4thly, i have the greatest job in the world, however who ever thought up an 11 week term is a fool...
Gotta go and prepare a lesson for tomorrow and a seminar for an inservice on saturday, yep saturday from 9am til 9pm...
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posted on March 30th, 2006 at 10:26 PM
Bruce, it' the immediate discapline I'm talking about, at the moment they flick you the bird and walk off, what can you do? can't leave the class,
can't grab hold of 'em ... you get to stand there looking a twat, send a good kid to the office to report it ... all takes time and yet another hour
is wasted dealing with crap - not teaching.
I agree, turf 'em. But just cause they told me to fk off, aint no gurantee that I'll see the last of them. Thats what I was trying to say. I think
it would be good to get parents involved, might help the school out.
My job - yeah take it, I'll head to Byron - how the fk do you get a job there, my missus has been on the DET list since 98 for a job up there.
In addition to teaching right now I've got 50 new PCS to build, configure, install, test before week 11. New building opens term 2. Got the network
to wire-up, then refit all the infrastructure to cope with the new building. Of course the electricians don't listen and half the stuff hasn't shown
up as ordered. Need to install new projectors and set up new lab servers for students. Then train the staff to use the new system (weekends), re-do
the entire school timetable (evenings) to deal with the new rooming and class allocations ... oh, we're making a DVD to raise more money to buy more
stuff (who else is gonna pay for it), so that another side line project to be done by the end of term and the head wants the kids to help, so that
slowed it down)... and I get a massive 4 hour a week allocation for all that that ... then there's the VET classes which don't fit the time table,
so I'm there after school doing that for free...then prepare the lessons for the daily classes and finally teach them stuff that will help them get
to Uni or a job.
Oh yeah, and babysit a year 8 kid all week that thinks it's okay to spit on other kids from the top balcony - he's in my tutor group, so I get to
sort out his social problems ... as his parents haven't yet had time to come into school to talk about it so he's in school isolation.
at least ya get to go surfing ... must be a reason you headed out of Western Sydney....
but I guess every teachers got the same deal ... different extra tasks, sure as hell aint 8/30 till 3pm job. Not many teachers I know hit the car park
at 3pm...it's just the pay clock that stops at 3 ay.
If the parents gotta chip in. Good.
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just that when teachers graduate, they can expect to earn half of the others
Teachers. 4 year trained, 2 years experience $45,826 for a less than 35 hour week and 12 weeks holidays.
Nurses. 4 years trained, 2 years experience $35,848 for a min 38 hour week and 4 weeks holiday.
No need to say any more.
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... you 100% sure it's not your kid thats the class pain in the arse?
LOL....no my straight A, achievement oriented daughter would debate that one with you. Plus the teacher would have told me when I see them face to
face every few days when I pick the kids up from school.
This is not a teacher bashing topic by the way....it's a process topic. I never argue the person, only the process that the person follows. :thumb
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posted on March 30th, 2006 at 10:48 PM
Put in the paperwork, ive got very little time today for little turds that want to disrupt my class. I put in the paperwork for any discipline
problem, all adds up...and mummy and daddy dont have a leg to stand on...bye bye off to ballina or mullum...
I havent left school before 5pm this week, and have been there at 7.30am and still have stuff to do...Im on every period now til thursday...
haha...35hrs...haha, some people have not a clue...by end of saturday I will have worked over 70 hours this week...
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posted on March 30th, 2006 at 10:53 PM
Let's not ruin the intent of the thread guys please.
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Sigh, okay then try this.
Go and look on seek and find out how much for a
Network Engineer, System Administrator, Internet Developer, Microsoft Systems Engineer, Novell Engineer, Support Desk and Workplace IT trainer and
Assessment would get. You'd need to know C++/ASP/JAVA/SQL/Novell/NOS/VB or .NET at the minimum, sufficient to deliver Cert 3 in schools (next year's
target for attainment).
Find how much that guy/gal would get - cause that's what you need to be to work in a school). Oh you also need Cert 4 in IT and Cert 4 in workplace
training and assessment to teach IT in VET, as kids actually get real jobs out of it.
We don't get to call in IT firms to sort our problems, nor do we get sent on courses to learn it, we do it ourselves - and get the needed Certs to
prove it.
Have to still argue that 'teaching' is just one part of it, and given the experience and skills you need besides teacher/social worker, that a
starting salary - for which you don't get 4YT step 2 automatically, is significantly less.
Schools simply can't afford to employ the specialist needed in all the KLAs, so teachers have to do it.
Nurses get shit money too, so do the Police, Firemen etc., no one's gonna argue that...
But without a significant portion of society doing it, then we'd all be stuffed.
your comment read to me like you think that any monkey can go and teach, and that it's well paid and a bit of a bludge ... teachers are used to
hearing that ... and that's the whole problem really. It's not the parents or kids, it's those damn bludging teachers.
It's rediculous to suggest that parents need to stand up and be counted or take responsibility for their kids. Its true that teachers have a legal
'duty of care' in school hours - ie you can go to jail if a kid get's hurt etc.,). So don't think it's too much to ask for parents to take over
the rest...why not be accountable for your own kids? Teachers have to and they ain't even ours.
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Have to still argue that 'teaching' is just one part of it, and given the experience and skills you need besides teacher/social worker, that a
starting salary - for which you don't get 4YT step 2 automatically, is significantly less.
Nurses get shit money too, so do the Police, Firemen etc., no one's gonna argue that...
your comment read to me like you think that any monkey can go and teach, and that it's well paid and a bit of a bludge ... teachers are used to
hearing that ... and that's the whole problem really. It's not the parents or kids, it's those damn bludging teachers.
Its comments like HRM that we get tired of hearing, im all for squizy's question and the fact that he's going to talk it through with the
school...Im just not into the simpleton comments of others...
Haha, 35 hrs, thats funny...HRM will be the butt of our jokes tomorrow, 35hrs haha
But you know what ive learned of late, from the religious debates and this discussion, that some people carry with them baggage from past burnt
experiences and it makes them bitter and twisted...
Same old people talking the same old shit, thats avd's downfall, I apologise if ive been a part of it...
I bite too easy and dont ignore very easily...
Squizy, back to the point...
talk to the principal or DP, dont just write a letter, make some time to have a chat...and raise it at the P&C, communication with parents and
teachers. I have a great deal of time for students and parents who get involved and try and work stuff out. Ive got very little time for parents and
students who couldnt give a toss...
I will help any student who is prepared to meet me half way, wont tolerate a student who continues to waste my time, ive got lots of half recesses and
lunches, desks need cleaning all the time, and not just the top but the old chewy on the bottom as well, works a treat, waste my time, i'll waste
yours...kids love it, well they seem to get it together pretty quick, a week of chewy cleaning kills them...
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posted on March 30th, 2006 at 11:17 PM
Yes I agree parents have to be responsible as care givers and role models. I think that was pretty clear earlier on in the thread.
So it appears that some other schools also have contracts. The thing is, is that the contract covers off everything that we do in our household
already. I understand the pressures some teachers are under, appreciate the work they put in, but do not understand still why I should have to sign a
contract about how I should raise my kids or how they should behave in school.....because the principles our family set circumvent such a contract.
If ever there was a contract that I would sign, it would be from my own parents, letting me know that I was fit enough in their eyes to have kids, and
here are the guidelines through which you shall raise them. LOL.
Obviously society is so stuffed up nowadays to the point that we make our parents sign a piece of paper to make sure that they bring up their kids
correctly. As someone very wise said earlier in this thread, I rather sign a piece of paper saying it was ok to give my kids the cane.
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posted on March 30th, 2006 at 11:19 PM
get the kids to read and have them sign it .the problem is it starts earlier back at pre school some parents don,t set boundries instead of being a
parent to thier children they want to be their friend my wife see,sit at the child centre she runs and at the school our kids go to,when you see
parents bing macs ,kfc and other take aways in for their lunch the parent needs a flick across the head.
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posted on March 30th, 2006 at 11:30 PM
Pleased your daughter is straight A. She might be a) good at filtering out class disruption and do effective self-guided study or b) just be in a
great class with low problems.
Either way, it's a credit to you and her and seems like the partnership is working.
However, there are many kids that struggle to study, are put off by morons, and simply stop learning becuase of muppets around them. Many simply
don't know how to do it - where do they best learn it - from their parents.
I'm with Bruce and you on this ... but if there are muppets in the school, that contrinue to disadvantage other kids chances and don't have parents
that give a toss - plenty don't - then why should pro-active kids, pro-active parents and schools needs to deal with their crap. If this adds a layer
of responsibility then great. If it changes one kids behaviour, then that will have a positive effect on 29 others in 5 hours a day....that makes it
worth trying to me.
While Ive found the vast majority of parents supportive - some are also sometimes shocked that their angel can be a muppet at school - some fix it,
some just deny that it's a possibility and some just don't give a toss.
It's the hard working kids that often miss out, as far too much time I think is spent dealing with the 'behaviour policy' and 'process' needed
for a few. You don't have to be an A student to be working and trying to get better. Some kids work really hard to go from C to B, where as some kids
can cruise B to start with.
Its all about the effort, I think kids that are trying, especially those that are not 'gifted', actually get pissed with the interuptions as much as
teachers. However, the class clown is often a 'strong' force in the peer group - and kids often don't want to be seen trying, or don't want to
tell the kid with the mouth to tack off for fear of playground or peer pressure bullying - and bullying can be direct or subtle ... excluding a kid
because they try is a real issue too.
It's a complex situation, as your dealing with say 1000 kids, 2000 parents .. each with their own care factor and opinion ... so unlikely to make all
happy.
But I really think that if the positive parents and positive kids get behind the school, then there is a possibility of improvement for all those
other kids in the middle, and theres more pressure on the small number of clowns that need sorting.
Some will be too hard core to crack, but some might lift their game - and if just one kid benefits then it's worth it - even if it's not gonna be
your kid - or that you might never really know if it did - you either think it's worth a go, or not.
If not, then come up with another plan ... don't just poo-poo it - or assume it's written by an over paid - over holiday-ed 21 year old with a UAi
of 35 that came up with it.
The latter is just arrogant at best.
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posted on March 30th, 2006 at 11:31 PM
Im not sure squiz id ever ask you to sign a contract about what you do at home. However when i meet some parents it becomes obvious why their child
behaves they way they do...
I take a lot of interest in what home is like...I teach many students who have terrible home situations, in the big picture that effects how i
teach.
Learning and behaviour difficulties determine how i prepare each and every lesson, and homework (not that im a big fan of homework, but thats another
topic). I often ask students to make "contracts" that they will complete certain things, sometimes that takes a commitment from home as well...
But not sure, other than in conversation with you face to face, id ask you to sign a contract on what you do at home...
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posted on March 30th, 2006 at 11:52 PM
spot on Bruce.
A. If you think you'll be a good teacher because all you need is a low UAI - wrong.
B. You be a teacher because it's good pay and low hours - wrong
C. Be a teacher because you want massive holidays - wrong
If these are reasons to be a teacher - don't come to my school, we'll turf you in a heatbeat, we don't need people like you in the profession.
If that's your honest opinion of teachers...don't have kids...cause kids feed of parental/cultural baggage. Parents set the pathway way before we
get 'em. We have tenure and are obliged to try and repair that kid of damaged thinking ... not for ourselves, nor for parents that think like that
... but for the kids. Just because the parent hasn't got a clue about education or the damaging effects of spouting crap at home ... doesn't mean
that the kid is obliged to follow in the same footsteps.
But whatever you do, refrain from passing on that kind of baggage to your kids, they look up to their parents in early childhood especially. If you
don't support the school and bag it and the teachers ... all your doing is moulding another muppet and affecting their life chances. Education being
the best route to social mobility.
Anyway, had my rant....if HRM is right, then schools are full of over paid, under worked, low educated bludgers. Lets hope you're good at home
schooling.
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maybe they are talking about behaviour contracts, they are not new.
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posted on March 31st, 2006 at 07:51 AM
Matt, just out of interest. Have you got kids at school? Where do they go to school? What are the teachers like there? Why are you so cranky with
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posted on March 31st, 2006 at 12:49 PM
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I think kids that are trying, especially those that are not 'gifted', actually get pissed with the interuptions as much as teachers. However, the
class clown is often a 'strong' force in the peer group - and kids often don't want to be seen trying, or don't want to tell the kid with the
mouth to tack off for fear of playground or peer pressure bullying
you know, ive noticed that it doesnt get any better at university either... especially in a lecture hall of 400 first year students... i dont remember
how many times i had to stand up and tell other students to shut up (of course they would start yapping on again 5 minutes later)
and even now, in second year i have done it once.
if they were the class clowns in school, it certainly hasnt sunken in that THEY are paying for the privelledge to be sitting in that lecture hall.
one of the guys in my course has his bachelors of education, hes gone back to uni to do science so he can be head of department at the school he
teaches at... i envy him because he will be able to share his knowledge and help nurture knowledge from future generations, but i dont envy him
because half of the kids in his classes really dont give a shit about being there.
it must be so hard teaching those who dont want to learn :|
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posted on March 31st, 2006 at 01:31 PM
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one of the guys in my course has his bachelors of education, hes gone back to uni to do science so he can be head of department at the school he
teaches at... i envy him because he will be able to share his knowledge and help nurture knowledge from future generations, but i dont envy him
because half of the kids in his classes really dont give a shit about being there.
it must be so hard teaching those who dont want to learn :|
I ended up teaching music in a special ed school for exactly that reason. I couldn't be bothered wasting my effort and time on a bunch of kids who
didn't give a stuff. It was a good decision. I made far more impact in the special ed school than I would have in a normal school I think.
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posted on March 31st, 2006 at 02:15 PM
gotta say that i would have to agree with CCC and BB as it is wrong for HRM to put teachers all in one category. i ahve a few friends who are
teachers, and they certainly do more than the 9 to 3-30 bit.
i would think it is like any profession. you will get those that strive to achieve and those that are there to work. but hopefully schools are good at
weeding out the useless.
i think the biggest problem is the attitude of the child, and that first comes back to the parents and home life. if a parent is making the right
rules and setting the right boundaries then the child has a reference point to go from.
i can see this first hand with my neices and nephews jsut by the different approaches adopted by my brother and sister.
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posted on March 31st, 2006 at 07:35 PM
I'd sign the contract
I have two school age children - one grade 6 and one grade 2 - both have brilliant minds and even better attitudes - there has never been a single
incident where either of them have been in significant trouble where we have had to attend the school.
I expect the teachers to behave a certain way and instill good learning practices in my children so that when they move up to secondary and / or
tertiary education they are prepared for the hard work that is before them...they also can't be ready for this unless Kris and I reinforce the
standards that they are taught at school at home.
5 days a week my daughters' teachers spend as much time as I do with them if not more - our children's education is a partnership betweek the school
and us. I expect a lot from the school (and get it in spades by the way) and I can't see why they can't expect a lot from the parents because in my
opinion the damage that is done is more often than not perpetrated by parents who are not fit to own a pet let alone raise human beings.
When my eldest daughter starts her secondary education next year, whether she likes it or not, we will be there for each and every parent teacher
interview. Education of my girls will remain a partnership between the schools and ourselves until the kids finish.
The contract, I feel, is not a case of BB wanting to have all the power - I believe it's a result of teachers feeling that the education of our
children is about more than reading, writing and arithmetic - it's about a holistic approach, and it might make the parents who don't give a fat
rats arse sit up and notice that they have kids that need guidance at home as well as at school.
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posted on March 31st, 2006 at 11:15 PM
Good luck for anyone getting into teaching these days! Many do wonder what is being taught in the school system with the way many of the students
come out. It's frustrating with the way they write, spell and are unable to do even basic maths in the immediate years following school. Maybe many
of the ones we see are the class clowns and smartie pants but the promise of them getting on the dole soon brings them down to earth! It usually only
takes one call to an employer to get them back to earth and on track!
Contracts.... Some may not be aware but any student who enrols in a NSW TAFE course signs a contract when they sign the enrolment form so make sure
you read all of the conditions!
If parents had to have the same amount of quals to be a parent there wouldn't be any kids.
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posted on April 1st, 2006 at 01:10 PM
OK maybe its time I came clean.
I was one of those class clowns.
I was always kicked out of class
I was always up at the office
While at uni I was always told to 'Shut up' by other students
I recieve the cane many times (both at primary and secondary school)
In grade 12 we were all ask to sign "Contracts" and I refused.
I was tolded I had to sign. The contract simply stated that we would be a good example of the school to the community and younger grades.
I had to stand before assembly and give my reasons why I wouldn't sign the contract.
I said "I couldn't esure that I would be a good example to younger grades however atleast I am honest and geniune enough to admit it, and not sign
something a contract saying I would.
The school refused to use me a 'Seniors Badge' however I never signed the contract
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posted on April 4th, 2006 at 10:02 PM
I caught up with my daughters teacher this morning. The contracts are in place, and have been in place for years 5 & 6 for a number of years. Because
there are some major excursions this year to Bathurst and Canberra, there is no formal way for the teachers to get some control over the disruptive
children prior to these excursions. By having the agreements, the teachers have some leverage by which to "out manage" the constant trouble makers
from the excursions by way of a number of strikes. Whether I sign or not is not going to change the fact that the process is in place, but will show
the school that I've read it.
Now that I have this information, it is a little clearer why it's in place. I'm still not sure that I will sign though after all that.
Thanks to all those who imparted their wisdom through the thread.
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posted on April 4th, 2006 at 10:12 PM
has anyones kids been to a montissori school ? we visitedone today it was very weird the kids 3-6 were working together and by themselves "working
hard" and there was no noise or disruptivness ,hmm did i spell that right?
not!
