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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 06:42 PM |
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By the way, i agree, everything is bad for you.
Where there is life, there is death. Cause everything living must die one day. Interesting that. Perfect example of ying-yang.
All it depends on however in life, is how fast u die. some things Push ya a little quicker to the end. :jesus
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 07:52 PM |
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Exactly... cigarette companies are run by crooks... always have been... so what better reason to introduce inhibition laws.
They may not work as well as they should in the short term... existing smokers may find ways to circumvent them if they are really that intent on
killing emselves... but at least the children will not have such poison readily available to them.
Also the way I see it... brandish a big enough stick and you can stop anything... so if a country introduces draconian punishments for illicit
cigarette manufacture, it is bound to cease eventually when such laws have been excercised to their full extent a few times.
The poblem is people are thinking short-term....it wont provide results overnight. That is true... it could take years or decades, but keep
brandishing a stick long enough and the culture will eventually be beaten out of society for good...
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oh!! i get it, just like illict drug use? 
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Nope...because if you use elicit drugs,you are at best given a slap on the wrist and marched off to a rehab clinic, and at worst, fined... cant pay
the fine?... oh well... rehab or community service then for you and you have cleared your debt to society. :o
About as scary as a fluffy bunny with a sign saying "BOO!" sticky taped to its backside!
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 07:54 PM |
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No... as I said earlier... best way to solve the problem is to ban the sale, manufacture, and importation of cigarettes in Australia... but that
won't happen unless we have somebody with some balls like Maurice Iemmma as PM, instead of that pansy-ass bitch John Howard, so scare-tactics are the
next best thing... :o
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No way could they/would they ban the smokes!!!They should ban alcamahol first...it causes more problems and is more widely used/abused. And let me say
as a smoker for 19 years,when i gave up in January this year it had nothing to do with the labels or scare tactics used.When you are addicted to
something which is supposedly harder to give up then herion no picture is going to break the addiction.I've yet to meet one smoker who enjoys
smoking.Ive met many who enjoy "feeding" their addiction which is a different kettle of fish.If people want to smoke it is their right to do so.Good
luck to them.People who don't wish to smoke also have a right not to have to.:kiss
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 07:58 PM |
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By the way, i agree, everything is bad for you.
Where there is life, there is death. Cause everything living must die one day. Interesting that. Perfect example of ying-yang.
All it depends on however in life, is how fast u die. some things Push ya a little quicker to the end. :jesus
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It's not a matter tho of how fast one is pushing oneself to the grave chris... if it were that simple... then we wouldnt give a toss.
It's a matter of a smoker or drink driver is risking putting someone else in the grave sooner than they would care to be put in it. :jesus
Is it fair that say Nick for instance ends up with a chronic lung disease 30 years from now (hypothetically speaking Nick  )as a result of working in a smokey bar, just because the patrons all
ignorantly go on thinking... "I can smoke like a chimney if I please... after all its only me im killing!"???
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 08:00 PM |
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Bollocks..
How can you equate the social cost of passive smoking to the environmental cost of fossil fuel burning? If you blokes were fair dinkum, you would stop
driving petrol/diesel driven cars, stop using electricity and stop buying products that are made with fossil fuels.
Australia is a major culprit when it comes to environmental damage.. Yet the bleeding heart fuckwit's that think that cigarette smoke is a problem,
also gag debate (or use scare tactics) on nuclear energy!
No offense to present company.. If you smoke, go outside! Fair enough. But cut out this passive smoking crap.. Thank you
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yep and yep....
Like Anthiron saiid again...I got no prob with you guys as people... but I also have no problem with the tactics the government is using to curb
smoking...
It is downright dangerous... quite frankly, I have no problem with people smoking themselves to the grave... but when they are smoking others to the
grave, that is a different kettle of fish...
and you DID..ask for opinions 
So here they are....
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 08:03 PM |
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No way could they/would they ban the smokes!!!They should ban alcamahol first...it causes more problems and is more widely used/abused. And let me say
as a smoker for 19 years,when i gave up in January this year it had nothing to do with the labels or scare tactics used.When you are addicted to
something which is supposedly harder to give up then herion no picture is going to break the addiction.I've yet to meet one smoker who enjoys
smoking.Ive met many who enjoy "feeding" their addiction which is a different kettle of fish.If people want to smoke it is their right to do so.Good
luck to them.People who don't wish to smoke also have a right not to have to.:kiss
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But many of these addicted smokers blindly went along and started smoking in the first place not knowing the consequences of there actions in the
future... as the effects were silenced by the tobacco companies and in some countries by the governments themselves... there may not be any saving
existing smokers from their addiction... but that isnt to say the younger generation can't be scared out of ever getting into such harmful habits in
the first place. 
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 08:13 PM |
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posted by StenGuns
Bollocks..
How can you equate the social cost of passive smoking to the environmental cost of fossil fuel burning? If you blokes were fair dinkum, you would stop
driving petrol/diesel driven cars, stop using electricity and stop buying products that are made with fossil fuels.
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There are generally higher concentrations of cigarette related toxins to be found in a pub frequented by smokers than concentrations toxins related to
motor vehicles and such in the air outside that pub.
That said... fossil fuel related toxins are still harmful in the long term...but are a necessary evil... smoking is not! :puke
It is better to only have to put up with one lot of shit being spewed out of automobiles than the same ammount of said shit PLUS the crap attributed
to cigarettes and so forth...
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MickH
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 08:28 PM |
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But many of these addicted smokers blindly went along and started smoking in the first place not knowing the consequences of there actions in the
future... as the effects were silenced by the tobacco companies and in some countries by the governments themselves... there may not be any saving
existing smokers from their addiction... but that isnt to say the younger generation can't be scared out of ever getting into such harmful habits in
the first place.
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I was smoking BEFORE you were born.I was well aware of the dangers of smoking when i started the habit.Nothing was hidden as far as side effects
go.Any intelligent person new it was a harmfull thing to do to their bodies. The trouble is that when you are at a certain age,say,late teens, you
are 10 foot tall and bulletproof.Most people this age think they are good drivers and can't drive for shit.The same with smoking.It wont hurt your
body or shorten your life span because you are 10 foot tall and bulletproof. As with anything in life,as you get older you recognise you won't be
here forever and yor health which was taken for granted when you were younger,suddenly becomes precious. I grew up when smoking was "acceptable" as
a norm and many people i knew smoked.A large percentage of these people gave up when they got older or had kids,as their lives took on a different
perspective. As to the original topic....i do think they are ramming the message down peoples throats and because of the high publicity,after some
time the initial effect will lessen and people will return to taking up the habbit,which research showed happened after the initial "shock" adds
showed many years ago.If you want to stop the "youngins" from taking up the habbit,the best thing would be to give them all a packet and make them
smoke them while they are watching a post mortum being performed:puke. Oh hang on thats just another shock tactic........but it would work!!!!
Otherwise leave the smokers alone and everyone respect everyone elses rights.:kiss
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 08:29 PM |
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just to reiterate!
i wasnt really trying to spark a debate on the health implications of smoking or not. i was attempting to gauge public opinion re scare tactics.
another example that springs to mind is the weapons of mass destruction and the consequential invasion of iraq. yet another was the children overboard
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 08:38 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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There are generally higher concentrations of cigarette related toxins to be found in a pub frequented by smokers than concentrations toxins related to
motor vehicles and such in the air outside that pub.
That said... fossil fuel related toxins are still harmful in the long term...but are a necessary evil... smoking is not! :puke
It is better to only have to put up with one lot of shit being spewed out of automobiles than the same ammount of said shit PLUS the crap attributed
to cigarettes and so forth...
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I find the lack of factual arguement and one sidedness of the above statements evidence of you being narrow minded in your expression of opinion. On a
"WORLD" scale fossil fuels are not the necessary evils,smoking is:P!!! Most of global warming is from the burning of fossil fuels.Tobacco is not a
fossil fuel. If you parked a car in the pub idleing people would die in 20 minutes from the car running.People do not drop dead in 20 minutes drinking
in a pub when the person next to them is smoking..that takes time.....:P
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just to reiterate!
i wasnt really trying to spark a debate on the health implications of smoking or not. i was attempting to gauge public opinion re scare tactics.
another example that springs to mind is the weapons of mass destruction and the consequential invasion of iraq. yet another was the children overboard
debarcle.are we as a society happy with this type of behaviour?
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NO,most definetly not.:thumb But you can't blame me....I DIDN"T VOTE FOR THEM
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 08:57 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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There are generally higher concentrations of cigarette related toxins to be found in a pub frequented by smokers than concentrations toxins related to
motor vehicles and such in the air outside that pub.
That said... fossil fuel related toxins are still harmful in the long term...but are a necessary evil... smoking is not! :puke
It is better to only have to put up with one lot of shit being spewed out of automobiles than the same ammount of said shit PLUS the crap attributed
to cigarettes and so forth...
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I find the lack of factual arguement and one sidedness of the above statements evidence of you being narrow minded in your expression of opinion. On a
"WORLD" scale fossil fuels are not the necessary evils,smoking is:P!!! Most of global warming is from the burning of fossil fuels.Tobacco is not a
fossil fuel. If you parked a car in the pub idleing people would die in 20 minutes from the car running.People do not drop dead in 20 minutes drinking
in a pub when the person next to them is smoking..that takes time.....:P
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But what imbocile parks there car in the pub and lets it idle? :P
But hey I love this continued contradiction... this pro-tobacco company propaganda.. its so feckin funny! Excuse me whilst I
go and smoke a pack of gaspers as homage... back soon! 
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OK..I'm back now.. btw mick, on a closing note, I find your lack of supporting evidence regarding the global warming issue to be very
narrow-minded... there is insatisfactory evidence to support your brash claims that automobiles contribute to global warmming... everybody knows it
is a natural process which is directly proportiAONAL TO THE cyclic rise and fall of the earths bovine population! :P :bounce... BAN THE COWS I SAY...
BAN BAN BAN!!!!
and now I'm just partaking in blatant shitstirring so I will now go drive my bus through the front of a pub and allow it toi idle away for 20
minutes! :P :bounce
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| posted on June 10th, 2006 at 09:22 PM |
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be a while before cigs or alcohol gets band.
The tax on em' is huge, and the government only get off there asses when crap hits the fan, or when they want to suck up to get some votes. Since
when has it been about us people...
Really, its a very big debate. I got plenty of friends who have a smoke. They don't necessarily like it, and know that i don't, but it helps them in
other ways where they need it. Got a few friends that simply need it to de-stress, especially one down the road suffering from obsessive compulsive
disorder. I respect smokers, I got nothing against em for it, its their choice, and the ones i have as friends don't blow or let me cope any 2ndary
smoke, so its all kool. I still respect em, and they respect how I feel, thats all that matters really.
BUT!! FOR A NEW ISSUE!
How many times have u been to a public place, to find the inevitable cigarette bud dumped on the ground, polluting etc. That pisses me off, but
polluting all to gether really.
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just to reiterate!
i wasnt really trying to spark a debate on the health implications of smoking or not. i was attempting to gauge public opinion re scare tactics.
another example that springs to mind is the weapons of mass destruction and the consequential invasion of iraq. yet another was the children overboard
debarcle.are we as a society happy with this type of behaviour?
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i am definatly unhappy with these and the continuing LIES.
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OK..I'm back now.. btw mick, on a closing note, I find your lack of supporting evidence regarding the global warming issue to be very
narrow-minded... there is insatisfactory evidence to support your brash claims that automobiles contribute to global warmming... everybody knows it
is a natural process which is directly proportiAONAL TO THE cyclic rise and fall of the earths bovine population! :P :bounce... BAN THE COWS I SAY...
BAN BAN BAN!!!!
and now I'm just partaking in blatant shitstirring so I will now go drive my bus through the front of a pub and allow it toi idle away for 20
minutes! :P :bounce
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LMFAO:P:P Did you know that vegetarians put more gas to the
atmosphere than meat eaters?? If you're gunna do the pub thing you will have to reverse..and it will only take 15 minutes with your old 2 liter
carbon monoxide pump..the newer engines have less carbon monoxide output (bloody cat. converters) so it takes longer. LEAVE THE KOWS ALONE
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Personally, I would have no problem at all with a ban on cigarettes, but where would it stop? Alcohol? Private cars? The plethora of over-the
counter medications that can kill you? Pedestrians crossing streets?
And just to clarify, I agree with what most of us have realised:
EVERYTHING is bad for you in some way or another.
The government or powers-that-be should not be forced to protect people from their own stupidity. Thanks to Americans like Stella Liebeck, this is
unfortunately the case now for all organisations.
A POSSE AD ESSE.
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