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| posted on May 16th, 2007 at 07:14 PM |
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Nice result!
By my calculations, if Rodney can get the car weight down to 1550lbs (with him),
it should run about 133mph.(based on that rear wheel number)
This is enough to get him into the very low 10s.(nines in a perfect world).
Bergs still hold the ss/c record at 10.38 I think,
so a trip up here to the winters may be worth while!
Would be nice to get the gear ratios done to suit.
133mph will be about 9000 in 3rd,
or 7000 in 4th.
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That's mad Alan.
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| posted on May 16th, 2007 at 08:26 PM |
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Yeah, the right gear ratios would be nice. I think Rod has the right ratios but no time left now to change them, so it may not run that great on the
weekend.
What surprised me with the motor was how broad and flat the power curve was, its definatly not peaky, the cam seems to work very well, which really
surprised me. Big compression does wonders!!
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| posted on May 16th, 2007 at 08:58 PM |
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Fantastic numbers Rod - congratulation thus far! I guess the proof is in the pudding so I look forward to seeing how it runs on the strip! Best of
luck.
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| posted on May 17th, 2007 at 09:54 AM |
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Hey Rod,
249 rear wheel horsepower is pretty damn tough. I'd love to here that thing doing 8500 rpm!
Do the recommended air/fuel ratios change with the different fuels?
Do you run less timing with these fuels than you would with premium pump gas?
My optimum total timing ended up at 35 degrees which seems like a fair bit. Out of interest are you only running 28 degrees total or is that the
advance?
Interesting post. Thanks for sharing.
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| posted on May 17th, 2007 at 05:48 PM |
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It ended up 30 degrees, no advance locked distributor.
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| posted on May 17th, 2007 at 07:05 PM |
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SO!
Are you getting a drive Owen?
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That's mad Alan.
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| posted on May 17th, 2007 at 09:23 PM |
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Yes Dave, I can now exclusivley reveal that I am driving
the golf buggy
Unless Rod cant squeeze into the suit:P
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| posted on May 17th, 2007 at 09:23 PM |
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300+ HP
After 9 hrs and about 40 dyno runs I ended up with 249.7 hp and 451.1 ft lbs of torque at the rear wheels . According to the dyno operator this
equates to 334 hp . I don't belive this to be exactly correct however he tells me that a week ago he had a brand new SS comodore on the dyno and it
calculated out to be 305 kw , the factory specs say 307 kw . I am more than happy with the results and am now looking to run some good mid 10 sec
passes on Sat . I have an electrical misfire @ 8400 rpm and today Owen rewired the car . I am hoping that this will fix the problem and I have more
revs to use . I will remove the engine tomorrow and fit a new clutch that will be aggressive off the start line . I think that with the power that I
now have it will launch really hard . Maximim power was 249 @ 8000 rpm however I feel that it may be a little higher if I can use all the revs
available . It made 150 hp @ 5100 , 175 hp @ 5400 , 200 hp @ 5700 and 225 hp @ 6600 . Maxium torque was 451 ft lbs @ 5800 rpm and @ 8200 rpm was still
around 375 ft lbs . I ended up using 30 deg. total advance as the engine was still a long way from detonation and the A/F ratio was between 11.7 and
12.7 at higher revs . I have locked out the dizzy and have a full 30 deg. at idle . I also have a 20 deg. retard through the MSD box to make starting
a little easier . The new 2'' exaught that I made seems to work good however it may now be a little small . I am using Sunoco Supreme Nos fuel and
with an octane rating of 120 , it's good stuff . I also tried some VP c16 fuel and lost 10 rear wheel hp . To make more power I would have to
increase the timing and take the chance of detonating . I unfortunatly didn't get the chance to run without the vacuum pump to see if it makes a
difference but the engine has no oil leaks at all which really suprises me after the amount of work it has done already . I will post the results of
racing soon , ROD.
More boost + More fuel = More power
1968 Beetle fastest run 8.96 sec @ 161 mph 4th Nov. 2001
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| posted on May 17th, 2007 at 09:35 PM |
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Cool to hear Rod. 
Hearing about all this VW drag racing make me want to build a rat drag car out of my 56 oval and get the Autocraft engine that I know of locally that
can be had for reasonable money.....hmmm.....you're all a bad influence on me...
[ Edited on 17-5-2007 by reub-revhead ]
Reub
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| posted on May 18th, 2007 at 01:18 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by reub-revhead
Cool to hear Rod.
Hearing about all this VW drag racing make me want to build a rat drag car out of my 56 oval and get the Autocraft engine that I know of locally that
can be had for reasonable money.....hmmm.....you're all a bad influence on me...
[ Edited on 17-5-2007 by reub-revhead ]
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Reub, i've had you reported to the VW police!
NO YOU ARE NOT ALLOWED TO CHOP UP THE OVAL AND MAKE A RACE CAR OUT OF IT!!! 
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| posted on May 18th, 2007 at 07:52 PM |
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NOT RACING
Unfortunatley I went to start the car for a final tune at 6.00 pm on friday night and have broken the camshaft . I will not rebiuld it tonight so I
will not be racing tomorrow . Sorry for the inconvienence I may have caused any person regarding racing . I will strip the engine tomorrow instead and
find out what has gone wrong , ROD.
More boost + More fuel = More power
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| posted on May 18th, 2007 at 08:22 PM |
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Dam that sucks and after so much work too... :cussing
Are you going to source the same grind camshaft or switch to something entirely diferent?
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| posted on May 20th, 2007 at 09:25 AM |
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Whilst on the dyno on Wed , I had a head stud nut fall off . I didn't think much of this as it was one of the extra 8mm studs and not the main studs
. However , after so much running on the dyno the stud had vibrated out . or I should say in . Maybe because of the vacuum pump , and the stud has
been forced between the crankshaft and camshaft therefore breaking the cam into 3 pieces . I am disapointed that I didn't make it to the compak
attack but am relieved that it didn't happen at full power . At this stage I need another camshaft , lifters , 2 pushrods and a set of cam bearings .
I will also get the crank and rods cracktested and inspect the rest of the engine before reassembly and hopefully back on the track in 3-4 weeks ,
ROD.
More boost + More fuel = More power
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2010 New Beetle 8.12 sec on 8th march 2014
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| posted on May 20th, 2007 at 12:05 PM |
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man rod thats awesome stuff dude cant wait to see it on the track make sure theres heaps of video put some up on youtube too
show us your gates
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| posted on May 20th, 2007 at 03:51 PM |
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Unlucky there rod but as you said better to do it now than under full power and at speed.
[size=4] ACCEPT THAT SOME DAYS YOU ARE THE PIDGEON AND SOME DAYS YOU ARE THE STATUE[/size]
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| posted on May 20th, 2007 at 06:12 PM |
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the word "Loctite" comes to mind
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| posted on May 21st, 2007 at 01:42 AM |
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Hi Rod
You must be so disappointed. Good to see your still going after the record.
Steve
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| posted on May 21st, 2007 at 09:19 AM |
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Here is Rodney's HP(add 800 to the rpm to be correct) :
Here is the Torque :
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| posted on May 21st, 2007 at 03:56 PM |
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And here is Rodney's engine!
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| posted on May 21st, 2007 at 08:09 PM |
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why do you need to add 800rpm ?
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| posted on May 21st, 2007 at 08:32 PM |
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something to do with the fact the RPM is actually dyno speed, not engine rpm.
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| posted on May 22nd, 2007 at 05:34 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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something to do with the fact the RPM is actually dyno speed, not engine rpm.
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Ooh, that sounds like trouble.
I would have thought that the rollers would only be going 1/4 to 1/5 of the engine speed,
and then it would be a percentage, and not just an 'add-on'.
When I went to the dyno, it was quite crude also,
and the operator had to align the dyno scale
with the tacho in the car, and where the rev limiter cut in.
It is attention to details like this that give a lot of detailed info for future comparison on the dyno.
Afterall, HP is a calculation derived form the torque reading and RPM,
so if one is not accurate...you know what I mean.
Despite this I now enough to say that I think the rear wheel power IS correct,
and that engine IS a record setter.
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| posted on May 22nd, 2007 at 05:45 AM |
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Also,
And this is no personal criticism of Rodney at all because I have the greatest respect,
Because of the formula to work out HP from the torque reading,
HP and ft.lbs are always equal at 5252rpm.
This is not the case above, so I assume you would have to divide the torque figure by the gear ratio used and this would be more accurate.
The HP at the wheels uses the ROLLER RPM and the ROLLER TORQUE in this formula:
HP = (Torque x RPM)divided by 5252
....to calculate wheel HP.
Hope this helps explain a few things.
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| posted on May 22nd, 2007 at 07:48 AM |
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I believe it is a percentage, but 800rpm is just a convenient figure Jason gave to Rod to keep things simple. The dyno I used to use at work we would
run it up to 100km/h on the dyno before a run and enter the rpm so it would display the readout in engine rpm, regardless of ratio used. Still not
real accurate as your relying on reading the tacho visually off the car.
We did start the day with an rpm input on one of the leads, but had to take it off as the lead from the dyno was a bit short and as the car would ramp
up the lead was pulling. Wasnt long enough for rear engine cars.
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| posted on June 7th, 2007 at 08:40 AM |
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All of the new parts have arrived except for the camshaft which should be here tomorrow . I will rebuild the engine to the exact same spec's as
before but with the addition of a new set of valve springs . The old springs were tested and only had 375 lb's of pressure @ .557'' lift , the new
k 800 springs tested @ 467 lb's at full lift . I think that these are a little weak and the engine may have a little valve float causing a misfire at
high rpm's . I will post some pic's and try to explain the best I can what I am doing during the rebuild . I have ordered 2 cams so I can build a
spare engine in which I will inject lot of nitrous oxide into just to see what can be gained . I will be at WSID on June 23rd for a bracket meeting
if all goes well , ROD,
More boost + More fuel = More power
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2010 New Beetle 8.12 sec on 8th march 2014
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| posted on June 7th, 2007 at 09:17 AM |
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good luck big fella
down sharon.
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| posted on June 7th, 2007 at 11:28 AM |
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Cool.
Thats more like it for spring pressure.
Good luck on the 23rd!
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| posted on June 15th, 2007 at 07:57 AM |
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The engine is almost complete and I have entered to race at WSID on June 23 . I haven't had the time to post the pic's of the rebuild , however I
have all pic's and will fill in the blanks over the next 2-3 weeks . All looks good at this stage for next weekend and am hoping for no more mishaps
, I will keep you posted , ROD.
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2010 New Beetle 8.12 sec on 8th march 2014
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| posted on June 17th, 2007 at 05:58 PM |
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The engine is in , started and tuned . I have had a smooth run in period and have now replaced the valve springs and I'm ready for this weekend . I
need to pick up some race fuel from Sydney sometime this week and am looking forward to driving again , ROD .
More boost + More fuel = More power
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2010 New Beetle 8.12 sec on 8th march 2014
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| posted on June 17th, 2007 at 06:01 PM |
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Goodl luck Rod!
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