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| posted on September 25th, 2007 at 09:49 PM |
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Talking of V6's and talk the Magna one in the mid 90's I think is 3L or something, my bro had one, stuff all bottem end, used to stall the bugger
all the time... I wouldnt reccomend one of these.
Baja Wes how was the EJ20T Baja, with the Albins gears... did it still have gearbox troubles?
Exatly what sort of work was in the Gearbox (Hope Im not hijacking the thread here  )
Cheers
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Slip in a toyota/lexus V8.
No other option 
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i was leaning towards the subaru as i am not a fan of the rota sound but i was thinking a ej 20 but from what your all saying a ej22 would be much
better......
mattie yea i do need to come up but i need to get the irs in the back first, i have snaped two shafts on the swinger so its getting urgent. i must
give u call and work out when u will have your jig back as i hope to have all the parts need to do the conversion in the next couple of weeks.
to everyone who has given there opions , thank you, its helped and pointed me to a different angle that should work quite well for my needs
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| posted on September 28th, 2007 at 12:06 PM |
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ej22 = :bounce
cheap, reliable and you have local people to help you. 
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| posted on September 28th, 2007 at 12:54 PM |
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mm interesting thread.
For what you want the EJ22 wins hands down no doubt, you can argue others but with your description the EJ 22 is the best engine of all.
The EJ20T in my baja did eat gearbox's but it was through previous abuse more than failure. The previous owner had given it some love and the Albins
gears held up for 7 years of 6-7000 rpm side steps and launches. With 33" tyres that is a lot to ask. I came in on the ass end and every gear I broke
when x-rayed wall full of cracks.
If you want a hassle free, easy to work on and reliable engine and don't feel the need to re-invent the wheel then the EJ 22 is the pick, it even
fits in the Baja without cutting anything and all the parts you need are off the shelf or there are enough pics and info about to copy.
With the new ECU display you even know what is going on with the factory ECU which takes a lot of the guess work out of it.
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| posted on September 28th, 2007 at 01:36 PM |
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With the new ECU display you even know what is going on with the factory ECU which takes a lot of the guess work out of it.
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Nice plug. 
That display anyway, can you find problems with the ignition to the on position or does it only work when the car is running?
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| posted on September 28th, 2007 at 05:23 PM |
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Cheers for that Info Brad
Its a little shame Im now stuck with an EJ20T  hehe. As for abuse well I
am fairly prone to some crazy  driving, I guess I better save
some pounds for a nice gearbox...
And that display thingo is nice, you got some fairly clever people there at COR...
Righto
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| posted on September 28th, 2007 at 05:58 PM |
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2wheel drive/1 wheel drive (not lock differential) + buggy/baja = not go slow on up hill on the off road |
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| posted on September 28th, 2007 at 08:16 PM |
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2wheel drive/1 wheel drive (not lock differential) + buggy/baja = not go slow on up hill on the off road
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Only if one wheel loses traction... I have seen some diff lockers where diff lockers that replace the spider gears and undler and load lock up I think
they are called Lockrights or something. My mate had one in his MQ Patrol, they are OK for road use but not ideal, sorta clunk through corners then if
you put the boot in locks right up. Interesting in the wet but
some people go for that.
Anyway only slightly off topic, sorry all :duh
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| posted on September 28th, 2007 at 09:13 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Baja Wes
I've been in a lot of converted VW's. Thud's rotary, Mick's EJ22 Manx, Terry's EJ22 Baja, the EJ22 Iguana, Brad's EJ20T Baja, Lots of VW engined
Baja's and Buggies and of course my V6 Baja.
Smoothness - the V6 wins hands down, nothing comes close. It is vibration free (you get a little with the suby and rotary) and it's power curve is so
smooth.
Low down torque - the V6 wins again, I can drive at 1000-1500rpm up hills if I like (even as low as 600rpm on smaller hills). The
EJ20T did make suprisingly good torque low down as the turbo kicked in, but it was also difficult to control as it did kick in. If you tried
to lug up something it would have nothing at first, and then you'd squeeze the throttle a little bit more and the turbo would kick in, then
it would want to accelerate. It made slow speed offroading difficult. The EJ22's were pretty good, not as torque as the V6 but way
better than a VW engine. I don't have a good comparison with Thud's car here, I never went for a ride when he tried to see how slow he could
go up a hill.
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see bold to link it my above not off topic
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"2wheel drive/1 wheel drive (not lock differential) + buggy/baja = not go slow on up hill on the off road"
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| posted on September 28th, 2007 at 09:14 PM |
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lockrite in buggy/baja =  to many understeer |
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| posted on September 28th, 2007 at 11:00 PM |
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I was mainly refering to my post in regards to the off topic...
Though not quite sure if I would agree with the Understeer, 200+ Hp plus loose surface plus a locker....
What are other peoples thoughts on the locker, I certainly do not have any experince it both an alternative motor to the Standard Beetle, plus
lockers!!
I can only really speak for what I think, I could be completely wrong!!!
Friday Arvo, been to the Pub.... :duh
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| posted on September 29th, 2007 at 01:29 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by helmut
see bold to link it my above not off topic
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"2wheel drive/1 wheel drive (not lock differential) + buggy/baja = not go slow on up hill on the off road"
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You need to come for a drive in my car before you can comment on what it is or is not capable of.
The extra weight of the V6 gives it very impressive traction offroad. Up most offroad hills I am capable of going as slow as a 4wd. Only very loose
and very steep hills require a more aggressive approach, as they do in a 4wd too.
You can see in this vid I can take a lot calmer approach then the others, although this was timed runs so I was trying not to go too slow. You can
also see the difference of the different engine types, as the cars discussed above are in this video;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTWqECoYYv8
The first half of this hill I was pretty low in the rev range, it's only when it got really steep and twisty at the top that I had to flatten the
throttle. A Landcruiser ute had just prior had several attempts at this hill at speed and not made it at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV5YHOxquZA
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| posted on September 29th, 2007 at 11:53 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by Baja Wes
| Quote: | Originally
posted by helmut
see bold to link it my above not off topic
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"2wheel drive/1 wheel drive (not lock differential) + buggy/baja = not go slow on up hill on the off road"
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You need to come for a drive in my car before you can comment on what it is or is not capable of.
The extra weight of the V6 gives it very impressive traction offroad. Up most offroad hills I am capable of going as slow as a 4wd. Only very loose
and very steep hills require a more aggressive approach, as they do in a 4wd too.
You can see in this vid I can take a lot calmer approach then the others, although this was timed runs so I was trying not to go too slow. You can
also see the difference of the different engine types, as the cars discussed above are in this video;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTWqECoYYv8
The first half of this hill I was pretty low in the rev range, it's only when it got really steep and twisty at the top that I had to flatten the
throttle. A Landcruiser ute had just prior had several attempts at this hill at speed and not made it at all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dV5YHOxquZA
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i engineer i from iceland many 4x4 i live in utah moab usa 5 years many hour in vw's i have many friend owning vw with MANY
modification vw chevy toyota mazda honda nissan subaru rotary motors i love it i have very nice idea of your car i very like it :thumb i am also
owning toyota modified 4x4 you cannot go slow like me  or nice modifed 4x4 you cannot climb like me your car is very nice but your
very low modify vw will not be rock and trail climbing
Quote"Up most offroad hills I am capable of going as slow as a 4wd."
i am think you need to ride in modified 4x4
i am love it vw very much is very very good on the offroad
but not for this practice
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| posted on September 29th, 2007 at 12:48 PM |
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posted by Buggy Brad
mm interesting thread.
For what you want the EJ22 wins hands down no doubt, you can argue others but with your description the EJ 22 is the best engine of
all.
If you want a hassle free, easy to work on and reliable engine and don't feel the need to re-invent the wheel then the EJ 22 is the pick, it even
fits in the Baja without cutting anything and all the parts you need are off the shelf or there are enough pics and info about to copy.
With the new ECU display you even know what is going on with the factory ECU which takes a lot of the guess work out of it.
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i think like this is best for you:thumb |
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| posted on September 29th, 2007 at 01:22 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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you cannot go slow like me or nice modifed 4x4 you cannot climb like me your car is very nice but your very low modify vw will not be
rock and trail climbing
Quote"Up most offroad hills I am capable of going as slow as a 4wd."
i am think you need to ride in modified 4x4
i am love it vw very much is very very good on the offroad
but not for this practice
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I never said my car was a rock crawler, and I didn't compare it to a modified 4wd. Everything is relative I guess.
What I was saying is that on normal hills, that a normal 4wd would travel on, I can go slow like a normal 4wd. I can go 1000-1500rpm like I said. 
I said that on steeper hills I need more speed, but so would a normal 4wd.
Rock crawlers with 44inch tyres are awesome, and I'd never compare my car to one of those. In Australia they are completely illegal so not really a
good comparison for a road legal Baja anyway.
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| posted on October 1st, 2007 at 09:16 PM |
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why not just go for a 2ltr vw motor and have it ported and stuff like that ,it would be a lot easier and a lot less mods to the car ,but thats just my
idea ,or just wack in a porshe v6
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Because carbs suck offroad, so for the type IV to be remotely useful it either has to be the EFI version or you need to put EFI on it. Even then it
won't be as reliable or have the power of a suby motor. I had a 1916cc type 1 with twin 44idf webers and lots of other mods, and it doesn't compare
to my V6 at all. You'll find a lot of the EJ22 guys have tried type 4's before wanting more and going suby.
Do you mean Porsche flat 6? Price one of those and you will see why people don't use them. Also price some spares for a rebuild.
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| posted on October 2nd, 2007 at 08:15 AM |
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After running an EJ 22 at Warwick on the weekend and flogging the crap out of it the old EJ22 has once again proven to be an awesome engine. Yeah we
broke some axles but you get that, the engine and 2L box held up just fine.
As for modfied 4WD's .. lets see your rock crawler do 100kmph up the beach .. no hope, most of them can't even do the speed limit. That an the fact
down here in Australia we have these thing called ADR's and rego rules which stop us even thinking of driving something like that on the road. I have
35" on my 40 series and the RTA don't like it ....
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| Quote: | Originally
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2wheel drive/1 wheel drive (not lock differential) + buggy/baja = not go slow on up hill on the off road
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= true:P
needs momentum
old porsche in buggy very good
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As for modfied 4WD's .. lets see your rock crawler do 100kmph up the beach .. no hope, most of them can't even do the speed limit.
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i am change ratio very easy 100kph no problem:thumb
=i am going up beach are you going up here??
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agreed subi ,, how about a h6 engine ?? not sure on legalities but they are an inline 6 ,, there was one on ebay not all that long ago pretty cheap
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Aren't they a flat 6. 3.0L horizontally opposed Boxer engine?
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mmm
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As for modfied 4WD's .. lets see your rock crawler do 100kmph up the beach .. no hope, most of them can't even do the speed limit.
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i am change ratio very easy 100kph no problem:thumb
=i am going up beach are you going up here??
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change ratios easily ?? I think not..... explain ?
I can go up there I have a winch too
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agreed subi ,, how about a h6 engine ?? not sure on legalities but they are an inline 6 ,, there was one on ebay not all that long ago pretty cheap
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Aren't they a flat 6. 3.0L horizontally opposed Boxer engine?
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yes... horizontally opposed "boxer" engine.
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Haha didn't even notice that.
Boxster engine.
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As for modfied 4WD's .. lets see your rock crawler do 100kmph up the beach .. no hope, most of them can't even do the speed limit.
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i am change ratio very easy 100kph no problem:thumb
=i am going up beach are you going up here??
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change ratios easily ?? I think not..... explain ?
I can go up there I have a winch too
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i am change diff center rear you have longer cable in winch
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ok its final i am going to go with a EJ22, thank you for any advice given as i was thinking a Ej20. now to track one down and start to gather all the
parts needed to do the job.
I collect all the irs gear i need this weekend so that will be done in the next few weeks (i hope) then if it takes a while to gather all the parts so
be it i will continue to use the 1776 till i am ready.
cheers people your input has been most helpfull even the rock crawling man if nothing else but for entertainment :P
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As for modfied 4WD's .. lets see your rock crawler do 100kmph up the beach .. no hope, most of them can't even do the speed limit.
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i am change ratio very easy 100kph no problem:thumb
=i am going up beach are you going up here??
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change ratios easily ?? I think not..... explain ?
I can go up there I have a winch too
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i am change diff center rear you have longer cable in winch
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I dunno what planet you are on but changing out diff centres is hardly what I would call very easy and is gunna take some time. Not sure whay your
Rock Rig is based on but it is still gunna take you a few hours to do it then he $$$$ ties up in having locked multiple locked centres.
I have plenty of cable on my winch, you get that with a PTO.
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i know no-one in world is climb in the vw:duh winch or not (pto winch in vw really???:blush) at top of hill you have shackel and front end suspension
only:P
only i do it one diff center back remove front driveshaft 2wd on beach when you play rock climb diff center change is like change underpants
but point is missing...
vw cannot go slow up the hill on the offroad because is only 1 wheel drive and not many wheel travel but is very fun to go fast with the independent
suspension and direct in the steering and light
also..
do not be forgeting modifying is sliping slope start with brake then suspension... gearbox.... fuel systems...motor.... axle....
cv...????....?????=time and $$$$
enjoy it:thumb:thumb
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Go the subaru
(Although all the conversions I have been in/seen have overheating problems, computer problems, are not that quick and have always doubled the initial
$$ budgets for installation.)
As for getting your parts etc............go to Custom Offroad, they can deliver everything you need.
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i know no-one in world is climb in the vw:duh winch or not (pto in vw:blush) at top of hill you have shackel and front end suspension only:P
only i do it one diff center back remove front driveshaft 2wd on beach when you play rock climb diff center change is like change underpants
but point is missing...
vw cannot go slow up the hill on the offroad because is only 1 wheel drive and not many wheel travel but is very fun to go fast with the independent
suspension and direct in the steering and light
also..
do not be forgeting modifying is sliping slope start with brake then suspension... gearbox.... fuel systems...motor.... axle....
cv...????....?????=time and $$$$
enjoy it:thumb:thumb
[ Edited on 2-10-2007 by helmut ]
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Dude your english is as bad as your clue...... so I am not going to waste my time argueing with you about something you don't seem to understand.
So enjoy your 2 wheel drive rock crawler on the beach...
As for the engine, you will be very happy with your EJ22 direction.
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