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 amazer
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 05:35 PM |
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guys, no names were mentioned, dont let this get personal again.
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 05:42 PM |
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Has anyone seen those bumper stickers- "Want more inches? Stroke it!" |
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 05:46 PM |
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Guy next door had a V8 monaro with "only milk and jiuice come in 2 litres". I suspect he got the flogging he deserved cos his next car was a
2 litre subaru.
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 05:50 PM |
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I like this one
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bumper stickers- "Want more inches? Stroke it!"
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But it aint made my engine grow.
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 05:56 PM |
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As long as something grew who cares? :] |
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 06:45 PM |
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hehe there is also the "only cheap wine comes in 5L"
I think cheap wine is worse than milk.
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 08:35 PM |
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Big Engine Bits
If you are really serious about building a big engine and have a realistic budget! Let me know as i have enough parts to build 2 or 3.
Scatt, Autocraft, ARPM, Webber, DELLS, Hilbourne etc...
Just remember - There is no such thing as a lack of power, only a lack of traction.
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 09:09 PM |
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Thats a classic
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posted by amazer
Guy next door had a V8 monaro with "only milk and jiuice come in 2 litres". I suspect he got the flogging he deserved cos his next car was a
2 litre subaru.
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Even though its bagging out 2 litre motors, you have to admit.... its pretty clever. Good one!
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 10:35 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by amazer
Guy next door had a V8 monaro with "only milk and jiuice come in 2 litres". I suspect he got the flogging he deserved cos his next car was a
2 litre subaru.
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Sorry guys, but I love this quote. You just can't beat cubic inches. Turbos are a whip for engines, if you whip them hard enough they will break.
A big cubic inch engine is built very strong to handle the horse power that it will produce. A VW engine would never have been designed to handle hugh
horse power as it didn't need to be when it was first designed, but this does mean that you can't get more out of it safely. You need to
find that balance between how physically strong the engine is and how much more power you want out of it. If you get the balence right WOW. I also
think that the issue of engine geometry is valid. When you change lengths and angle of forces within the engine, the engine could experiance different
forces and pressures. Again get it right and you don't over do it then WOW.
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VW were out to make a very cheap, very fuel efficient long life motor. If this is what you want, then don't change what VW did.
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My little 1600 is a stock as they come, and in a buggy I'm more concerned with it running and runnin and running. I'll do without some
performance to get more reliability and life from my engine, and that's my choise as I am very conservative.
These are just my thought as I am not a mechanic and I have never had a turbo charge car, but I will admit to owning a 5.2L Valiant Hardtop. One thing
that I will say is that you can't beat the sound of a thumping V8, no turbo can.
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 10:37 PM |
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Who am I? Thats right...my name is DOUG Pobjoy!
I believe this forum and I got off on the wrong foot. I cant say I know who you all are? or what you are all like? but I can say I generally believe
most people are alright, and I didnt join this forum to make enemies. Im sorry if I got a little defensive in this thread earlier but as some of you
may have noticed, my name seems to develop an instant love/hate relationship with most. As a result I have been a little on edge. I am proud of my
name and dont wish to hide it, but it seems to draw a fair bit of unwanted attention (good or bad). I am just another guy who loves VW's, and
likes to see them go. I have grown up with them, my first car was one. I have owned two station wagons, a beetle and a fast back, and I am only 22!
But, I am not Stan Pobjoy, and dont claim to be, (nor am I one of his puppets thank you Ben). By NO means do I know as much as my father and I hope
people would not expect such from me. When I post a message, I do not speak on my fathers behalf! What I say is what I think and thats it. As far as I
know, my father might completely disagree with what I say. How would I know? He lives in Coffs Harbor and I live in Sydney. I have no political
motives here. I am happy for people to ignore my posts or even point out if I make a mistake (as long as they can back it up), but dont give me shit
just because I am a POBJOY! I dont take to kindly too it. 
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 10:54 PM |
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Doug,
Don't let these guys get to you. Say what you think, after all isn't that what everone else is doing. As with all groups of people you will
get extremes at either side with the truth usually somewhere down in the middle.
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| posted on June 9th, 2003 at 11:09 PM |
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this forum is starting to really piss me off. This is a forum for discussion. so if u ask a question u will get opinions from different people. A
opinion is not an order or a law on what to do and what not to do, u can take it on board or completely ignore it. But every body is entilted to
his/her opinion and that is fine some people may have 50yrs experience on vw's, other's may think a beetle is front engined, but every body
can have THEIR say. so lets just stop being personal and talk about what we are all here for, that is VW'S, and as far as MY OPINION goes the
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 10:38 AM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by manxed69Sorry guys, but I love this quote. You just can't beat cubic inches. Turbos are a whip for engines, if you whip them hard
enough they will break.
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Explain to me how this is so?
Are you telling me that 100 horsepower from a turbocharged engine is going to twist the crank until it breaks but 100 horsepower from a normally
aspirated is something different? What is heavier? a kilo of lead or a kilo of feathers?
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thought as I am not a mechanic and I have never had a turbo charge car, but I will admit to owning a 5.2L Valiant Hardtop.
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Well what more qualifications do you need! One thing puzzling me though is, since theres no substitute for cubic inches, and theres no substitute for
the sound of a V8, why arent you still in your Val and why are you in a 1600 volkswagen? Dont get me wrong, I love those ideals. That is one of the
best things I like about the VW scene. I copped plenty of stick at work for playing with VW's from one guy in particular. But I got the last
laugh after my shitbox kombi beat his new clubsport commodore at the drags.
Fortunately there is a substitute, and you will find it in nearly every different makes showroom. (probably every single one but I'm playing
safe) Its called forced induction. Check it out someday. You'll like it.
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 11:05 AM |
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Amaser
All I was trying to say is that the VW engine wasn't designed with turbos in mind, that doesn't mean that you can't get more out of
them. All I was trying to say was there is a limit. What that limit is I don't know, but that doesn't mean that there isn't one. The V8
engines are built tougher as the horse power that they produce was always going to be more, but yes they too will have a limit.
As for driving a 1600, well a V8 isn't suitable in a Manx as it's just too darn heavy. It's just horses for courses.
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 11:12 AM |
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it was never designed for 1600 either.
anyway, im done whinging.
but I reckon a chopped baja'd valiant would be a real head turner! If only for all the wrong reasons.
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 01:29 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by manxed69As for driving a 1600, well a V8 isn't suitable in a Manx as it's just too darn heavy.
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You know all alloy V6's are a lot lighter than V8's
[Edited on 10-6-2003 by Baja Wes]
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 03:48 PM |
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I personally would love to put a Lexus quad-cam V8 in buggy, preferably WITH a turbo - imagine the 1/4 mile times!! * KruizinKombi drools *
Now, what were we talking about?
I still maintain that I would use a type IV as a starting point for a BIG motor, which is what this post is (was) about. Does anybody have any figures
for what it would cost to place all the type IV advantages in a type 1? How much do those aluminium type 1 cases cost? How much to improve the cooling
to the same standard?
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 05:31 PM |
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hehe firstly the advantages of the type 4 as a base engine:
-Through Bolts that hold the case halves together instead of studs
-Aluminium case material, stronger case, thicker webs (no more cracking at #3 cylinder in the bellhousing)
-flanged crankshaft to flywheel bolted connection (no more stupid dowels!)
-lifters and pushrod tubes that can be removed without taking off the head (aftermarket stuff not counted)
-built in oil filter
-cross flow heads
-larger finnage area on heads
-built to be 2L and put out 100hp stock!
Other than the all out race cases that dont have any provisions for tinware or cooling, there is only one type 1 style case that has through bolts,
aluminium, and a chunky design. It's called the TF-1 and costs about 3000USD or thereabouts.
The WBX engine has a lot of the type 4 advantages although i dont think it has through bolts (someone correct me)
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 05:48 PM |
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Unfortunately the execution of the cross flow head leads a lot to be desired. I see in the US you can get type 1 style heads for them. Big $$$ of
course.
Yes the WBX case has studs too.
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 05:49 PM |
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deep sump, full flow filter
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 05:51 PM |
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thicker case walls, wider mating faces, stronger in the lifter area.
[Edited on 10-6-2003 by amazer]
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 05:52 PM |
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completish engine. Fits in the same hole as a type 1 engine. cant go wrong mate!
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 06:21 PM |
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Amazer
this a project of yours??
Where is the oil cooler on the WBX?
Cant see the holes on the previous top shot?
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 06:27 PM |
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WBX doesnt have a cooler at all.
Need to run an external.
Not my project. Its an old hellbug project.
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 07:03 PM |
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so what about tin and the like?
U have to make it like a T4 conversion?
Same with genny stand - it looks like a t1 would fit, no?
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| posted on June 10th, 2003 at 07:14 PM |
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its type 1 tinware. Probably needs a little massaging.
Yes the generator bolts on like an original type 1.
As far as I can tell you could make it in either type 1 or 3 configurations. Its been done a few times in type 1 style.
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