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matt, the way i see it is just because he follows a certain religion doesn't mean he did those things or even agree's with them. just because we
devote a fair percentage of out time to vw's doesn't make us nazi's or mean that we like that jewish slave labor was used by the KDF factory during
ww2, we take what we want and/or leave what we want from the aspects of our lives.
if pete wood was spouting hatred in the name of christianity i'd say something but he hasn't.
as far as stealing is concerned, i have stolen something/s from every place i worked at for any length of time (generally a lot less than most of the
other employes though) but never could bring myself to steal from an individual. i kind of felt that if i wanted something that bad then i should go
and get a job/better job/not spend my money on whatever, etc. to steal from someone feels like the height of rudeness (for want of a better way to put
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kroozzn63 i worked for one of the glass houses that grew those things, while i don't advocate doing that to the supermarket, if you sent that growing
company bust i'd dance a little dance, they were right bastards. btw wash your truss tomatoes...
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I am an athiest and a misanthrope. I am not interested in getting up on my soapbox sprouting hatred......some bastard stole it from under me! 
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OK now I found the thread. No involvement or intelligent comments from me, too many big words that I dont understand flying around.
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i kind of felt that if i wanted something that bad then i should go and get a job/better job/not spend my money on whatever, etc. to steal from
someone feels like the height of rudeness (for want of a better way to put it).
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what about lazy bludgers on unemployment benefits ?..........they're stealing the tax I pay from better ways the Govt could be spending it !......hey
Henry
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interesting point craig.
I'd love to hear more people's personal experiences of theft.
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what about lazy bludgers on unemployment benefits ?..........they're stealing the tax I pay from better ways the Govt could be spending it !......hey
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show me a govt that spends it's money the way ALL of it's constituents would like 
btw craig what are your thoughts on stealing in more general terms?
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And nothing has fucked up people like the church!
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How true just look at ALL the gods out there
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i reckon stealing is very wrong if you you kids or your friends want to steal something and make it acceptable just say we "discovered" it
make up excuses like "well the previous owners were not going to use it to the full potential that i have"
'the previous owners are just savages anyway" etc etc
if you really believe stealing is wrong and you live in Australia poll to give it ALL back and all the foreign revenue earned from exporting its
natural resources to its owners and prepare to pay RENT!!!!
its just a car for f*%k sake
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i take the vine off vine tomatos to price them as standard tomatos, but i believe woolies are stealing of our farmers ,thats my accuse
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$8.98 a kilo with stems and vine..
$3-98 with out..... lol
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i reckon stealing is very wrong if you you kids or your friends want to steal something and make it acceptable just say we "discovered" it
make up excuses like "well the previous owners were not going to use it to the full potential that i have"
'the previous owners are just savages anyway" etc etc
if you really believe stealing is wrong and you live in Australia poll to give it ALL back and all the foreign revenue earned from exporting its
natural resources to its owners and prepare to pay RENT!!!!
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and atm its 66% majority that profess "stealing is always wrong"
its just a car for f*%k sake
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| posted on September 10th, 2008 at 10:47 PM |
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what about lazy bludgers on unemployment benefits ?..........they're stealing the tax I pay from better ways the Govt could be spending it !......hey
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show me a govt that spends it's money the way ALL of it's constituents would like
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I'm not questioning where they spend it...just the fact they have less to spend due to some slackarses taking it......as for stealing, everyone does
it....it just depends on what level you are willing to tolerate.
From a scale of 1 to 10, I can tolerate up to about 4.
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.as for stealing, everyone does it....it just depends on what level you are willing to tolerate.
From a scale of 1 to 10, I can tolerate up to about 4.
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i would be interested to know how this scale works with relation to who is doing the stealing and who is being stolen from.
ie. i would imagine that you would be far more tolerant if it was you doing the stealing vs someone stealing from you,
from a 3rd party perspective it would also vary given the value you give to the person/group who is stealing and who is being stolen from. ie a big
company vs someone you can't stand vs a random stranger vs a family member.
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there is also the matter of buying and selling stolen property
if a group of self righteous thugs came into your yard/house and claimed it for themselves then managed to sell it to ppl who sold it on again would
you still feel it was yours and seek to have it back or just accept that its lost forever what if it were a relative or your whole family they stole
and sold on and on we europeans have a special bond with family and its the only analogy that comes close to describing and indigenous aboriginals
connection with country which incorporates land sea all space and time past and present would you want ppl to try to help you how would you feel if
they said hey it wasnt me dont blame me chin up ole son just get on with it its in the past now 
its just a car for f*%k sake
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You seem to be stuck in one groove newoldmanx old son. The conqurers have always conquered and the vanquished make their own way. Been the same since
the dawn of time. No one said what has been before was fair or just, but there are other aboriginals (original inhabitants) that have faired much
worse. I see you like Fiji, I wonder how they feel about all the foreigners taking over their country by outnumbering them? 
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ummm.... actually, as far as original inhabitants go, Native Australians have suffered more than most. Tasmanian Aboriginies were really just
slaughtered en masse by short or long term methods. Maoris at least has some say in their country. Native Americans didn't do well, but at least they
were offered something.
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What history books do you read? Native Americans were shot like Buffalo and whole tribes were eliminated. Sure they were given reserves ...until
someone discovered something valuable on it then they were "relocated" to marginal lands, not prime, bountiful lands they once roamed (they never
owned land as they were seasonal nomads and ownership was a european concept). Like I previously stated no one said the past was fair or just and the
future is guaranteed too no one. All we can do is learn from previous mistakes and move forward.
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Mate you couldn't beat the grape eating champions that my wife & I saw when we were in south australia lasr year.Les
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| Quote: | Originally
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You seem to be stuck in one groove newoldmanx old son. The conqurers have always conquered and the vanquished make their own way. Been the same since
the dawn of time. No one said what has been before was fair or just, but there are other aboriginals (original inhabitants) that have faired much
worse. I see you like Fiji, I wonder how they feel about all the foreigners taking over their country by outnumbering them?
what history books do you read
Native Americans were shot like Buffalo and whole tribes were eliminated. Sure they were given reserves ...until someone discovered something valuable
on it then they were "relocated" to marginal lands, not prime, bountiful lands they once roamed (they never owned land as they were seasonal nomads
and ownership was a european concept). Like I previously stated no one said the past was fair or just and the future is guaranteed too no one. All we
can do is learn from previous mistakes and move forward.
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What history books do you read? the ones that say Columbus discovered America or Cook discovered Australia HA RUBBISH
Taukei or indigenous Fijians outnumber immigrants they also own 90% of all the land (which also incorporates sea etc) here in Fiji everyone else pays
RENT
how do you feel your car your house is burgled every thing is stolen do you say to yourself well "the conquerors have always conquered and the
vanquished make their own way. Been the same since the dawn of time. No one said what has been before was fair and just move on
or you phone the police only to be told "mate we know who did it but that was in the past All we can do is learn from previous mistakes and move
forward anyway your lucky the ppl down the road lost twice as much
really how "lucky" would you feel
a good friend of mine and former head lecturer of aboriginal studies at Sydney uni Andre Leu gave me a good headstart on the plight of aboriginals in
the country in which i was born bred and poorly schooled (like the rest of the population) the rest i have obtained from the source mostly the Kuku
Yulangi Australias last rainforest language group(from the Daintree rainforest) Bill Neigjie an elder and custodian of many Kakadu stories and
sites, Ray Rex decendent of the namesake of the Rex range whom has been a go-between for me the things i learned and my children are being taught
about Australian aboriginals in Australian schools is ludicrous
we should aim to do much much more than simply say well that was in the past yada yada its not my problem what about those dole blugers stealing my
taxes crap
its just a car for f*%k sake
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If the Fijians are so happy why did they overthrow the elected government? You then compare nation changing events to a personal burglary? Am i
missing something? Nature (storms,earthquakes,firestorms,drought) takes more away from people every year than human invasions do. Should we be angry
at God then and ask him to replace everything that was taken from us?
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more to the point why did the australian gov nothing to do with independant Fiji jump up and down insisting on democracy (they have obviously never
heard of or delt with China) when the fijians once again took control of their own destiny were they scared the fair aussies might follow??"wheat
board what wheat board anyway how was the footy on the weekend"
even national events come down to a personal level i was merely trying to give you an opportunity of understanding albeit on a much smaller and more
personal scale
you live in Australia roughly how many Aboriginals would you personally interact with on a daily basis??
how many in a month??
its just a car for f*%k sake
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Unfortunately I do not meet many now. Maybe 1 a month. But I grew up in Inala and they were in my class, in my social group and in my neighbourhood.
I do not have a problem with them. Why do you ask? As I said the Fijians acted because once the government changed to non indeginous they then might
have been the ones paying rent to the (political) conquerors.
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i ask just for reflection isnt it strange maybe 1 a month
the coup in Fiji was executed to try to abolish excessive corruption and to form a more inclusive society (for the benefit of all citizens) it was
against the largest taukei party not the non-indigenous it would take a successful invasion to change Fijian ownership of their land not merely a
change of government
the head of state is the President of Fiji whom is non elected and must be Taukei
i (not the bank) own a few properties in oz and i voluntarily pay my rent to various indigenous initiatives to me its only right
its just a car for f*%k sake
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| Quote: | Originally
posted by whatnow
i kind of felt that if i wanted something that bad then i should go and get a job/better job/not spend my money on whatever, etc. to steal from
someone feels like the height of rudeness (for want of a better way to put it).
henry.
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what about lazy bludgers on unemployment benefits ?..........they're stealing the tax I pay from better ways the Govt could be spending it !......hey
Henry
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pffft i viewed it as like taking my hard worked n fought for taxes back when i went on the dole many moons ago..
i sleep well at night knowing that i was being paid what i had shelled out for many a year..
there is so much wantnd waste within the govt system.. i had no quarms in recouping some lose i incurred during those working years..
was this stealing??
isnt this a man made genre stemming from one of the biggest stories of UNKNOWNs that many have subscibed too.. thus trying to make me feel somewhat
lessend as a human being by partaking in this pursuit?
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Originally posted by HotRodMatt
Saturnalia / Winter Solstice / Natalis Invicti Solis / Yule / Hanukkah --> becomes Christmas
Eostre / Osiris, Dionysus, and Orpheus (all of whom had virgin birth, death and resurection) / Passover --> Easter
There's hundreds more examples. When you look beyond what the Jewish cult of Christ says you can read you'll see its whole history is based on
cultural and intellectual theft.
I am quessing you have seen zietgeist. Me too and I whole heartedly agree with you
...as quoted
have a bit of a look at this film "zietgeist" n also "loose change" if you get a change n then try n work out who is really stealing from who..
if there is really any?
to me i have to agree with a quote from the film 'in the shadow of the moon' about religion..
"there is something bigger than the realm of religion made up by man to control man.. i am talking about spiritualism and something that is bigger
than man made control.."
IMO church and state should never mix or ppl like me, free thinking, critical and liberal would not be here to give this response..
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In some cultures stealing without getting seen or caught is considered earning the rights to the items.
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This is the mentality in Nigeria, its why they dont go after them too often, just for the cameras and news programs
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Pete, prob too late re theft but:
We had a bit over $700 stolen from work; a large psych unit. The money was in the safe in a locked room that only staff have access to. Whoever knew
the cash was there also would have know that it was a patients money, for rent, for discharge after a looooong admission. This money was the deal
maker grant from a few govvie bodies and centreclunk.
That person knew they were stealing money from the lowest end of societies disadvantaged. But did it anyway. Now all my staff inc me are under
suspicion.
It sucks, hurts, angers, disappoints, frustrates and leaves me cold......
We replaced the money but not the breach of trust.
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i kind of felt that if i wanted something that bad then i should go and get a job/better job/not spend my money on whatever, etc. to steal from
someone feels like the height of rudeness (for want of a better way to put it).
henry.
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what about lazy bludgers on unemployment benefits ?..........they're stealing the tax I pay from better ways the Govt could be spending it !......hey
Henry
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pffft i viewed it as like taking my hard worked n fought for taxes back when i went on the dole many moons ago..
i sleep well at night knowing that i was being paid what i had shelled out for many a year..
there is so much wantnd waste within the govt system.. i had no quarms in recouping some lose i incurred during those working years..
was this stealing??
isnt this a man made genre stemming from one of the biggest stories of UNKNOWNs that many have subscibed too.. thus trying to make me feel somewhat
lessend as a human being by partaking in this pursuit?
Quote:
Originally posted by HotRodMatt
Saturnalia / Winter Solstice / Natalis Invicti Solis / Yule / Hanukkah --> becomes Christmas
Eostre / Osiris, Dionysus, and Orpheus (all of whom had virgin birth, death and resurection) / Passover --> Easter
There's hundreds more examples. When you look beyond what the Jewish cult of Christ says you can read you'll see its whole history is based on
cultural and intellectual theft.
I am quessing you have seen zietgeist. Me too and I whole heartedly agree with you
...as quoted
have a bit of a look at this film "zietgeist" n also "loose change" if you get a change n then try n work out who is really stealing from who..
if there is really any?
to me i have to agree with a quote from the film 'in the shadow of the moon' about religion..
"there is something bigger than the realm of religion made up by man to control man.. i am talking about spiritualism and something that is bigger
than man made control.."
IMO church and state should never mix or ppl like me, free thinking, critical and liberal would not be here to give this response..
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Well said guys
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The root of all evil
The corporation
Judea declares war on Germany
The war on Democracy
911 mysteries
CSPAN of 911 conference
Secret evil of 911
And if you want to know why people are loosing houses superannuation and who is pulling the strings.........
Money masters
Monopoly Men
Money banking and the federal reserve
It all starts adding up...
By the way the federal reserve in the USA is privately owned by guess who?
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woah, talk about paranoia.
but I guess just because you're paranoid doesn't mean alien space lobsters aren't coming to get you! 
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nah not paranoia my friend just reality hear n now..
gotta keep ya eyes n ears open..
wide..
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Type3Sicko
Wolfsburg Wizard
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| posted on September 22nd, 2008 at 09:06 AM |
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I have stolen things from people as a young man, not proud of it, circumstances and choices or decisions at the time predicated reason and logic. I
have had things stolen from me in return, which left me feeling uncomfortable and awkward, allowing me to reflect on how the people i stole from must
have felt, I did not like that feeling and as a result have given a moments thought to my life choices...like why do i drive Volkswagens and not
hyundais...? Should i cross the street on a red light? why are there still wars and starving dying people who would love the taste of free thought and
living while rock stars get together and kick out the jams to end world poverty?...nice try Bob? will the stock market bounce back or are we in for
another recession depression we had to have? How is it possible that all the size 13 doc martens are never in stock when i want them(comfort not
culture)? church and state? that's been going on since Adam was a lad,and yes, skull and bones still meet at luxuriously obscure places of commune
every third saturday to decide the worlds fate( cough cough)...westinghouse? GE..LG..Samsung? they don't just make appliances for the well to do and
upwardly mobile.. i have dappled in the waters of christianity and danced with some sexy and very friendly pagans, all part of growing up and out as a
human, variety is one of the spices of life, why eat from one bowl when there is a smorgasboard to dine from? affuent or effluent, there has always
been the have nots and the haves., i guess if you have the power to make your own choices and you decide to take something that is not yours to take,
be it a candy from the general store, millions of lives, virtue of a young innocent life, a car, whatever... be prepared for karma or fate whichever
suits you...it can be a bitch and it can bite you on the arse, but hey lifes like that. not always linear or logical, much like my rant but once its
out there..it's a done thing, it's history, you can dwell on it and whip yourself into a religious gulit ridden frenzy or accept things as they are
and hop in your flat four or contemplate your navel and the price of tomatoes from the woolworths company, whatever, just dub it!
How many is enough?
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kroozzn63
Bishop of Volkswagenism
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| posted on September 22nd, 2008 at 10:25 AM |
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Aye men to that ,Adam nicely put , hmm but i drive a daewoo and a lowlight hmmm the ying and yang is my excuse
show us your gates
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