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| posted on July 17th, 2009 at 04:34 PM |
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this law is bound to piss alot of people off me included as 2 out of 3 of my cars are lowered more than 5cm but as i said earlier i can see the logic
behind it in making our roads safer.
theres sensible lowering which improves a cars handling but most people go beyond that purely for the looks which is when they start becoming
dangerous
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thing I can't come to grips with is the statement "Mr Daley says while drivers may think a lowered car looks "cool" it really is dangerous and any
adjustment of more than five centimetres doesn't belong on the road." how can it be dangerous (without qualifying this part of his statement" when
cars built for the track are considerably lower than standard just to make them handle better ie. safer cars.
While I personaly agree that some of those cars out there on the road are just stupidly lowered, once a cert is isued to say the work is done
correctly with no advers effects on the vehicles safety then that should be that. There, my 2 cents worth with out one *^@+**^
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go for a ride in some of these sex-spec P plater cars
they ride like a shopping trolley, absolutely no give in the suspension
cos the suspension doesnt absorb the bumps well it makes the cars bounce all over the road on rough roads
my ex's corolla on superlows was shocking on rough roads and it can make a car really unpredictable with the wrong conditions
fortunately most of them are in the cities where the worst hazard they might come up against is a lump of bird shit on the road but bring them around
here were potholes are often 4" deep and see if their cars are still in one piece by the end of the day
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| posted on July 18th, 2009 at 09:42 AM |
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so considering my car has been lowered for over 23 years on the same settings this makes it dangerous??,do me a fucking favour!leave it out..
what a bunch of fucking knobheads!
so this now means i need an engineers report for something that was proffesionally built that long ago???
fuck this makes me mad..
they can go fuck em selves as far as i'm concerned..
WANKERS....
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Im with this guy i think these assholes are doing any bullshit to try and recover their governments lost billions trillions from what ever reason they
can.fucken assholes.my hiace and bug are both low what am i supose to raise em for these pricks fuck them.eat a dick
if i cant get over a speed hump without angling the car thats my problem but no lets book these guys and rip money from them.that pisses me off.
ok i feel better now
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| posted on July 18th, 2009 at 04:03 PM |
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Having a lowered car has actually taught me how to drive sensibly and properly. Look at half these "standard" cars on the road... it's not the cars
that are the problem, it's the dickheads behind the wheel who can't drive, or the idiot who insists on driving a tank but can't see over the bloody
dash!
1963 Single Cab Ute: "El Concreto"
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1972 Kombi Snail: "The Snail"
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| posted on July 18th, 2009 at 09:24 PM |
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I agree that the RTA has had rules for suspension modifications for as many years as i have been in the trade,unfortunately not everyone worked to
these rules. A good example is the 4WD's that are raised so much that they are unstable or the wackers with the air bags that raise and lower the
vehicle as they go along.There is no way that these vehicles can meet the roadworthy requirements as regards light alignment or minimum
clearances.These monsters should never be registered for road use. If your vehicle meets the standards there should be no problems. Most modified
vehicles have an engineers certificate to cover modifications and if they don't that is your decision.
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| posted on July 18th, 2009 at 09:38 PM |
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Hi
Here is the f wits details, tell him what you think, but remember he he is more likely to listen to your point if don't abuse him or use swear
words.
http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/Prod/Parlment/Members.nsf/c1f0a145443eba46ca...
He was also partly responsible for the cross city tunnel in Sydney, I wonder if he drives a car or gets chauffeured around like stupid Nathan?
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| posted on July 18th, 2009 at 10:36 PM |
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has anyone found more details on this rule yet?
how the hell are they going to work out a "standard" height for our beetles and kombis and where it's measured from.......and differences for each
year model........will a change in diameter or tyre profile effect this measured height!!
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| posted on July 19th, 2009 at 02:05 AM |
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i know one thing when i bought my oval home for the 1st time it had skinny tall 15' rims and sat like a bus,i slammed it and shoved 18s on it ask me
which handles better.i recon this new ban stinks.
dont like it at all
thanks....
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| posted on July 19th, 2009 at 08:21 AM |
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This will not seem to effect anyone in Qld unless you are getting roadworthy cert. (not like Nsw every year) There has always been laws to how much a
car can be lowered. Years ago I was pulled up for having the nose almost on the ground and had a fix-it note given, (to be put it over their pits in a
roadworthy condition within 4 weeks). saying this "What is the original height of a early Beetle?" (Nose to ground and Rear Velance to ground)
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| posted on July 19th, 2009 at 07:19 PM |
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Hi I don't think the rule will work reason 1 - If I was to lower my vehicle interstate then return back to NSW, when I do my registration is the
mechanic going to care when it was completed for all he would know it could be two years ago.
Please tell me if you believe this will not work.
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| posted on July 19th, 2009 at 08:27 PM |
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Sorry guys but i think there is a lot of over reaction to this rule,as I said previously these rules have been in force for over 40 years. I can
remember the spec sheets that I was issued with when I started doing reg'n inspections and these included bump stop clearances ,maximum wheel /track
sizes max engine size etc. From memory suspension could be dropped by 1/3rd from standard. Of course over the years this rule has been abused and as
Joel says the ricers dropped on their guts making them unstable pieces of s...t are one of the reasons the RTA is looking at all modified
vehicles.Every now and then they used to have a blitz up here on un roadworthy/modified vehicles but the do gooders and solicitors made a mockery of
the system and now everyone will suffer and meet the requirements.
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 01:20 AM |
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Hi
The new rules are on the RTA site now http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_50_raising-and-lower...
The way that i read them it doesn't seem all that bad, there doesn't seem to be an amount of lowering that is allowed, but any lowering needs
engineering approval.
So you can flout these laws if you want but in the end if you crash your car the insurance companies will be having a close look at your cars
compliance.
This may worry some VW owners "Drop axles/spindles must not be used to lower a vehicles ride height."
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 08:06 AM |
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As Nick said, the fun police are out.
I like this quote from The Australian...
"It can affect handling, braking and safety features such as electronic stability control."
Of course all of our old VW's have electronic stability control!
So the three inch blocks on the back of my HR are out and the cut springs too? Ha ha. Catch me.
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 08:21 AM |
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...........front and rear must be lowered equal amounts...............
there goes the "raked" look
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 10:13 AM |
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Hi
I bet that all the RTA engineers phones will be running hot so that people can get their cars approved by 31st July.
Steve
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 10:41 AM |
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This may worry some VW owners "Drop axles/spindles must not be used to lower a vehicles ride height."
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Im confused.
My cars are both insured as modified vehicles including suspension mods.
Does this mean im ok?
Also my bug has an adjustable front beam does this mean that my car is illegal now?
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 12:04 PM |
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Am i reading this wrong??
"A person intending to raise or lower a vehicle should seek the assistance of an engineering signatory
prior to commencing the modification. Refer to VSI No. 15 for a list of engineering signatories."
"Once a vehicle has been raised or lowered, it must be checked by an Authorised Examiner at an
Authorised Unregistered Vehicle Inspection Station (AUVIS) inspection, commonly referred to as a ‘blue
slip’ inspection. This inspection will cover the design and installation of the components used in the
modification, and include specific safety check requirements and verification of the certificate issued by
the engineering signatory or manufacturer as appropriate. Once the vehicle has passed an AUVIS
inspection, an ‘Adjustment of Records’ form must be completed and presented to an RTA registry for
processing."
So all i need to do is get a blue slip???
I only need to seek the assistance of an engineer??
Futue te ipsum!!!
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 12:28 PM |
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engineeers signatuory different to blue slip inspection
reads to me that anything being registered (as in new "blue slip" type) after August 1st will need an engineers certificate............
..........everything else should be picked up in the next 12 months by "pink" slip renewals and then a engineers certificate will be needed to pass
for rego renewal.............
and everything else deemed lowered by random RTA or police rego checks will also be sent for engineers certificates...............YAY!
we need to start a list of engineers that people have had good results with and get all these beetles of ours up to scratch quick
my cars no longer lowered anyways 
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 12:49 PM |
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I know a good engineer and a blue slip guy.
like several of you have already noticed its up to the individual to how they interpret the rules
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 12:56 PM |
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Just rang the RTA Technical Unit. They say that the new rules only apply to cars that are registered (blue slipped) after 31 July. If you have
modified your car before 31 July, and it is currently registered, then you need do nothing, your OK as long as your registration is kept up to
date.
He said if you just say it was modified before 31 July, and it was actually done after 31 July then thats a legal matter between you and the
enforcing authority, i.e you have to prove it was done prior to 31 July.
If you leave it until after 31 July, then you need an engineers certifcation of the lowering/raisying mod. All the blue slip inspector does is check
the certificate matches the modifications on the car.
I think I might get a job as an Engineer, they are going to be busy as hell with all this.
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 01:25 PM |
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I think those young blokes with air bags in their Utes are going to have heaps of trouble.
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 01:34 PM |
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Hi
This may clean up the guys with the rice buckets and their ghetto lowering jobs.
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 02:42 PM |
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Hi
This may clean up the guys with the rice buckets and their ghetto lowering jobs.
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That's the task of Highway Patrol and/or RTA inspectors, not the Minister for Roads.
meanwhile, anyone with a 4WD with taller springs for towing, or a VW with 195/60/15 front tyres is in the 5hite
Pay your debts, CxxT
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 05:05 PM |
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So after all the commotion it looks like all we have to do is have our cars inspected for a blue slip and have 100mm ground clearance? sounds pretty
reasonable to me.
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 06:43 PM |
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meanwhile, anyone with a 4WD with taller springs for towing, or a VW with 195/60/15 front tyres is in the 5hite
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damn should i be worried with a 4.5" dropped front end and 18" 225/40 tyres
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 07:30 PM |
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tyres only come into the heavily "modified" class if the overall diameter is reduced by 15mm
i'm thinking my sump is not 100mm clear and it's torsion bars are at standard height
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 07:40 PM |
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i doubt it will be heavily policed in older cars just like these new P plater rules about driving turbo and V8 vehicles
more for these young guys with newer cars that mummy and daddy had to co-sign for
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 07:48 PM |
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hmmm, just had a run around my beetle with tape measure and calculator......
minimum distance at center point of vehicle looks ok......
lucky the sump plug has been ground (literally ) away by half it's
thickness, cause that's the few mm i needed
flange on exhaust makes it by a bit, but not if she was lowered
i'm still moving to QLD tho 
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 08:04 PM |
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i just measured mine and found that the front beam is 70mm and exhaust is 90mm ground clearance PISSSS!!!i think i might jack it up and give it a
raise just to be on the safe side.
BUT! i do appreciate a low bug or bus.imagine if we all had to raise our cars to original height how boring the shows would be (for me anyway)
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| posted on July 20th, 2009 at 08:20 PM |
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As i said a lot of over reaction,but still the onus will come
back to the RTA's fall guy ie the examiner and the interpretation of the rules by the RTA inspector at the time of inspection.
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| posted on July 21st, 2009 at 05:31 PM |
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In response to some of the comments on here:
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The pdf from RTA only refers to cars with "unconditional rego" (ie, normal rego). Street Rod rego is classified as 'conditional rego' so therefore
rods on SR rego will not be affected. Cars going on SR rego need a full engineers certificate for rego anyway, so it doesn’t really affect them too
much. Classic car (or club rego) is also classified as 'conditional rego', but my understanding is a car needs to be stock to go under club rego
scheme anyway.
| Quote: | Sorry guys but i
think there is a lot of over reaction to this rule,as I said previously these rules have been in force for over 40 years. I can remember the spec
sheets that I was issued with when I started doing reg'n inspections and these included bump stop clearances ,maximum wheel /track sizes max engine
size etc. From memory suspension could be dropped by 1/3rd from standard. Of course over the years this rule has been abused and as Joel says the
ricers dropped on their guts making them unstable pieces of s...t are one of the reasons the RTA is looking at all modified vehicles.Every now and
then they used to have a blitz up here on un roadworthy/modified vehicles but the do gooders and solicitors made a mockery of the system and now
everyone will suffer and meet the requirements.
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Sure there are unsafe ricers and mini trucks which can lay their chassis/body on the ground driving around at the moment. However many of these are
illegal under the current laws, so making them more restrictive wont achieve much! Currently an air bagged ride can only be slammed when it is
stationary, and even at maximum droop, it must retain its 100mm minimum ride height, in case the bags fail. Obviously, if a mini truck can lay rail,
its not going to have that clearance if the bags fail!
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them it doesn't seem all that bad, there doesn't seem to be an amount of lowering that is allowed
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The MAXIMUM you will be able to lower your car is 50mm (that’s not even 2 inches!)
All the cars currently registered are sweet, because it only affects mods done after the introductory date. But if in a couple months time I find a
sweet stocker bug, the maximum I can lower it is 50mm, and even if I lower it a meazly inch I will need a full engineers report (which also jacks the
price of the whole process up). It also means if I find a nice kombi interstate and it has been lowered 2 inches, I am not able to lower it because it
is has been too wildly modified.
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