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| posted on August 14th, 2010 at 09:16 PM |
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hey col, you wouldnt have a spare copy of that footage from the oz hill climb from 1972? A car club member was the formula vee champ that year and he
was talking a couple of years ago about that year and was chasing some photos of his vee. btw ct. Nice photos. Good 2 see you were trying hard.
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| posted on August 15th, 2010 at 05:08 PM |
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CT just a question, dose your tyre data show any real differnce betwen big rear bars and the type 3 bars?
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| posted on August 15th, 2010 at 09:02 PM |
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I used to run bigger rear torsion bars and koni shocks and the car didn't lift it's front wheels.
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Hi CT,
Have you thought about a slightly stiffer rear anti-roll bar? The 1st picture in this post is a classic "too little roll stiffness in the rear"
pose, and beefing up the anti-roll bar would be different from increasing the overall spring rate.
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| posted on August 15th, 2010 at 10:32 PM |
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Suspension stuff
I was trying to increase the understeer. I actually ran the car with no rear rollbar at Eastern Creek and it handled well but took too long to bring
the nose to the apex. Then when I took it to Oran Park it understeered exiting the bridge. So the small rear swaybar is just enough to make it
neutral. I've got a bigger adjustable rear bar at home. However, I'm still using an open diff and I used to find the stiffer rear bar made the
inside rear spin too much in the final turns at Eastern Creek and Oran Park.
Until I win the lotto, which I don't play, I'm not willing to modify the car to the next stage, which would be limited slip diff, rear disk brakes,
bigger heads etc. It would be a small increase in bang for a big increase in bucks.
Maybe I could increase the size of the front swaybar by 2mm for a little more understeer, then balance that up by putting the bigger rear springs back
in for more oversteer thus keeping it neutral and making it sit flatter.
I'll check the pyros on the weekend and see if the car is using the outside of it's tyres. Normally the fronts are even across the tread and the
rears show a bit too much negative camber, but I'd have to raise the ride height to even that out. The current setup makes the front tyres work hard,
which is awsome, since it only puts 39% of its weight on the front wheels.
In order to crack the 2 minute mark at the creek I've removed the passenger seat for the first time ever and taken the overiders off. I might even go
easy on the post-scrutineering pastizzis Jak will bring along.
I might try the V8 supercar line through turn 2. I might try taking turns 4 and 5 in 4th gear. I might even have the stones to not backoff into turn
1.
Maybe I should just get Paul to drive.
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| posted on August 15th, 2010 at 10:53 PM |
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What day are you running CT ?
I have a GOPRO camera you could put on the outside of the car looking at what the wheels are doing if you like ??
you can also adjust the neg without adjusting the ride height...........its an easy trick.
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| posted on August 15th, 2010 at 11:01 PM |
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ct, i thought u had a box full of albins and a qaife??
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| posted on August 15th, 2010 at 11:04 PM |
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ct, i thought u had a box full of albins and a qaife??
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| posted on August 15th, 2010 at 11:14 PM |
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i was going off the dutton rally article.....
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| posted on August 16th, 2010 at 07:58 AM |
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I might try the V8 supercar line through turn 2. I might try taking turns 4 and 5 in 4th gear. I might even have the stones to not backoff into turn
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CT Turn 1 would be the scariest
dont think i could do it without touching the brakes
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| posted on August 16th, 2010 at 01:17 PM |
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Great pics! Whats happening and when at the Creek this weekend?
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| posted on August 16th, 2010 at 02:33 PM |
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Up the creek on Saturday.
The Morgan Club is hosting a round of the Combined Sports Car Association supersprint series this coming Saturday 21st August at Eastern Creek.
I'm going to bring a jar of termites to sabotage the Morgan competitor's partially wooden cars.
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| posted on August 16th, 2010 at 02:36 PM |
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T1
Hi Dave,
My oval feels nervous at 150 - 160 kmph which is about it's top speed at eastern creek. Or maybe it's just me.
I back off at about the 50m mark into turn one and let the aerodynamics, or lack of, slow me down. Then I get back on the gas when I turn in and hold
it flat until a breath after the 100m mark into turn 2. I think.
I haven't run there properly since the Dutton Rally in 2007 when I think I did a 2:00.3.
I find turn 1 and turn 4 the most hair raising.
I figured out at some point that the average speed to do a 2 minute lap is about 120 kmph.
CT
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| posted on August 16th, 2010 at 02:43 PM |
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The Morgan Club is hosting a round of the Combined Sports Car Association supersprint series this coming Saturday 21st August at Eastern Creek.
I'm going to bring a jar of termites to sabotage the Morgan competitor's partially wooden cars.
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what time do the gates open???
we were going to race but because we have to vote, we will be down later to watch.
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| posted on August 16th, 2010 at 02:44 PM |
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Lame
2 minutes seems slow.
The Cyber Evo from Japan which we brought out for World Time Attack (Why I wasn't at the VW Nationals) did a 1:30 beating the V8 Supercar record on
R-spec tyres (Plug - Yokohama ADVAN of course).
Click here to see a 1:30 lap in the Cyber Evo
This thing is light and wind tunnel tested.
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| posted on August 16th, 2010 at 02:47 PM |
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Hi Ian,
Jak and I will be there eating Pastizzis from 7:15 but racing won't start until about 9.
Then we'll spend most of the day standing around (hopefully) not under my car fixing problems.
There's supposed to be a big classic car show on the same weekend. They're highlighting the fact there will be an old double decker bus there, so
it's obviously going to be chock-a-block full of errrr.....well..... interesting people. 
Man I'm having fun with those smiley icons today. There's one for everything.
CT
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| posted on August 16th, 2010 at 02:50 PM |
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Hi Ian,
Jak and I will be there eating Pastizzis from 7:15 but racing won't start until about 9.
Then we'll spend most of the day standing around (hopefully) not under my car fixing problems.
There's supposed to be a big classic car show on the same weekend. They're highlighting the fact there will be an old double decker bus there, so
it's obviously going to be chock-a-block full of errrr.....well..... interesting people.
Man I'm having fun with those smiley icons today. There's one for everything.
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If Rose brings her helmet , do you think she could go on the observation lap thingy with you of Jak???
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| posted on August 16th, 2010 at 03:07 PM |
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I'll be there, I'll try and get there by about 9, is it right to come down to the pits at eastern creek?
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| posted on August 16th, 2010 at 09:25 PM |
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Timed laps start at 9:30.
The entry to the pits will probably be the only gate open. If there isn't too many people you can probably park in the pits. If it's busy you may
have to park on the grass before the tunnel and walk to the pits.
I think turn 2 or the hill between 5 and 6 are good spots to watch. You can drive your car right up to the fence.
CYA
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| posted on August 21st, 2010 at 07:08 PM |
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I went out today to have a look.............3 Vw's, and they all sounded and looked good on the track.
Perfect weather, and a great mix of cars 
I'm not sure of the times, but I'm sure CT will post up.
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| posted on August 21st, 2010 at 07:14 PM |
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Loved the three dubs! Was out there having a a chat with ct 
Was I talking to you Craig? About strip clubs in Vegas...? 
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| posted on August 21st, 2010 at 07:17 PM |
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Ha Ha......not me, but happy to compare notes re Vegas ! 
I had my toddler daughter with me and another VW dude !
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| posted on August 21st, 2010 at 10:14 PM |
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I went out there today, watched one run had a chat but couldn't stand the wind in my T-shirt... they are out there next weekend too I think?
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| posted on August 23rd, 2010 at 10:17 AM |
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Pastizzi Racing at Eastern Creek
It was a great day.
I was nervous about piloting my beetle around at such high speeds.
I got to the track, well the queue outside the track, about 7 am and pulled up directly behind Jak's beetle. It was interesting to compare the two
cars. It was the first time we've parked our cars together since Jak painted his gunmetal grey. His paint job is much darker. It's more sinister
with the window tint and the black racing wheels.
After scrutineering Jak and I drank our strong coffees and had a couple of cheese pastizzis. Then a third VW turned up owned by a guy named Troy (I
think). His nicely presented dark green beetle apparently has a fuel injected 1955cc engine which sounds sweet. He and Jak were in the blue group.
All up there were about 100 competitors. The field was made up of Lotus Elise/Exige, Triumph TR7s, MGs, Morgans, Mk2 and XJ6 Jags and a wide variety
of other British cars, one of which was the same brand as my coffee machine, a Sunbeam.
I was in the white group. White was the slowest group and there were 2 or 3 white groups and about 40% of the competitors were in this group. With 16
cars on the track each time there was a lot of traffic. On my second run I got caught in a queue of 9 cars within a lap. So I dropped back to about 40
kmph let everyone get ahead, then gunned it into the final few turns and gave my lap time a good wriggle, but I caught an MX5 in turn 5 which killed
my exit speed.
For the next 2 sessions I managed to be at the front of my group and got a clear run. Nobody caught me all weekend.
Unfortunately I couldn't crack the 2 minute mark. I came close with a PB of 2:00.14 into a stiff headwind. My previous best was a 2:00.3 in the
Dutton rally which came on a day there was no wind and I was really comfortable with the car having driven it solidly for the previous 2 days of the 3
day event.
A few more laps around there and a bigger ring and pinion with some suspension tweaks and the sub 2 minute time looks quite achievable.
What a blast though. It really gets the adrenalin pumping, even in a car that doesn't feel like it has that much power. I managed to spin it 180
degrees at turn 6. At least I was trying. I think I gave it a pretty good crack.
Best of all the car had no problems. The oil catch can managed to solve any breather issues. That was the problem that cut my last run at the creek
short.
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| posted on August 23rd, 2010 at 01:18 PM |
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is it just me or does CT try to get a shot of his rubber in every photo 
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| posted on August 24th, 2010 at 09:23 PM |
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sure sounds and looks like fun CT........thanks for keeping us updated
found this one of the notch on 3........got me wondering at which part of the corner your's lifts a wheel (or 2)......last bit of turning in....
apexing....on the power ?
i can't quite tell from the pics
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| posted on August 25th, 2010 at 05:37 PM |
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is that wakefield Damien????
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| posted on August 25th, 2010 at 05:51 PM |
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sure sounds and looks like fun CT........thanks for keeping us updated
found this one of the notch on 3........got me wondering at which part of the corner your's lifts a wheel (or 2)......last bit of turning in....
apexing....on the power ?
i can't quite tell from the pics
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Have a look look at the rear tyre being pulled off the rim !
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| posted on August 25th, 2010 at 08:35 PM |
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yeah Wakefield onto the straight Paul.well onto the power there and a bit of opposite lock by the looks.....i have a disc of photos to send to you as
well
yes Craig.....tyres have marks up to rims edge, front and
back..........they are small on the rims and unbelievable they don't break the bead off yes......interestigly, the intermediate tyres do the same
thing on the cookie cutters tho
we needed to play with so much on the day it wasn't funny, unfortunately all our time was spent bleeding brakes (sorry Paul  )
those tyres are definately shot after Raleigh so new ones in order. not sure how they came to end up with Jeff, but something about being for formula
holden (maybe) and for sure too soft in the side wall. ..........i'll make sure they're right this time, well as best as someone who still don't
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| posted on August 26th, 2010 at 10:12 AM |
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Nice shot of the notch.
I don't think the car is missing out on front end grip by having that wheel in the air.
I was going to comment on the rear.
What hot tyre pressures are you running?
I've found 32 works in the rear of my car. I started dropping it at Eastern Creek which caused me to start seesawing at the wheel as the sidewall was
falling over which would've been around 26 or 27 hot. I guess it would've looked something like your car.
Did I hear something about converting the notch back to VW power?
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| posted on August 28th, 2010 at 09:12 AM |
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yeah it's a cool shot CT.....tyre pressures cold in the high teens, coming back 6psi more hot.
got to admit i don't know enough on those sorts of things, it's just been a haul and then some to get it so pressures are high on the list. and yes
i know that sounds stupid but in reality if the car is not running hard, there is no point having anything more than square wheels on it 
anyways, as you have described, the car was needing a lot of steering input at Wakefield. we were having a good look at those tyres at Raleigh 2010
and discussing what we were seeing. i know soem people run as low as single digit PSI in AVONS!
" back to aircooled"....there is an oxy boxer motor long block that we would like to finish off for this car yes (supercharged, intercooled,
EFI)........but in reality it prolly won't happen till something goes bang in the subie motor or the set up is a lot more developed, even then with
an increasing number of drivers in the HELLBUG camp., we will look at doing another couple of cars before we change this one. the good go gear is
there, it just needs someone to piece it all together
the notch has been the only race car that Jeff has owned that turns up to consecative events with no development in between  .........that record is over now. i want to go at LEAST five seconds
quicker at Wakefield 2011 if all the plans come to fruition. i'll need to start soon
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