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| posted on April 30th, 2011 at 09:52 PM |
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Is it Camo70 or just Camo with the bright orange beetle unfinished fat chrome wheels? Show quality.
He has these brakes and remember him having an issue with his. I think the pad was not square with the disc. Give him a pm at least he has these
brakes and he might have a bit of help...
I have mine all wrapped p ready to put on soon so i am watching with interest.
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Haha it must be camo. Mines still factory martini olive with drums on the rear.
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| posted on May 1st, 2011 at 06:04 PM |
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ThanksPaul thats the one... send him a PM
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| posted on May 1st, 2011 at 08:43 PM |
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Well, so my son can actually use his car we've now put the drums back on and the system pressured up perfectly so you were right Shane the capacity
of the disc calipers is too much for the standard dual circuit m/c. BTW we had changed the rear from swing axle to double jointed and the disc
conversion was an additional change at the same time. Still we want to put the discs on so I'll have to continue sorting out an answer to this
problem.
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| posted on May 1st, 2011 at 08:49 PM |
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what about if you try a late kombie m/c . i know glen torrens uses them for his big brake upgrade..this is also what i have installed with the big
front brakes but still retaining T3 rear drums....bled straight away......
you have to cut the snout down on the m/c....
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| posted on May 1st, 2011 at 10:11 PM |
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That'll give me somethimg to look at cheers.Would that be for the non servo type?
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| posted on May 1st, 2011 at 10:13 PM |
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Have these brake's been approved to use on the street.
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Haha........yeah I asked that some years ago re all the kits the VW shops sell from OS.......are they ADR approved, NUP !!
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| posted on May 3rd, 2011 at 12:28 PM |
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I thought this video might be educational, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJsOMuvpghI&feature=related
it clearly shows why my engineer will not certify them, this shows the end resault of there poor quality
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=459443&highlight=empi+re...
ask the seller if he has gone to the trouble of having them approved before you buy them, even the bracket is flimsy, i had to have a 12mm plate
bracket to fit the front calipers to my car, i enquired with a famous vw parts and repair specialist on the north side of Brisbane, when questioned
about these brakes he told me that in his opinion they did not need aproval as they were a direct replacement for the drum brakes, all disc brake
conversion's need to approved.
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| posted on May 5th, 2011 at 06:42 PM |
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Interesting videos, it's funny how these things always come up AFTER the purchase Even so I have noticed that Classic have put in a warning on their website with one of their exhausts that there could problems
fitting twin carbs with it so I'm wondering why there's no warning about the brakes not working when you fit one of their kits! Anyway at least my
son can use his car now but I don't want to see him waste almost $600 so I'm still looking for a solution as to what master cylinder to possibly
use.
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| posted on May 5th, 2011 at 06:49 PM |
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Ask the person you bought the brakes of to give you the engineers report on the brakes that you purchased from him, no master cylnder change will fix
the flex in the caliprers, you can see by the wear pattern that they are a problem, it will just resault in a spongy pedal.
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| posted on May 5th, 2011 at 06:52 PM |
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Cheers Shane, I have already emailed George at Classic but as yet I haven't heard a whisper from him.
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| posted on May 5th, 2011 at 10:07 PM |
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Ask the person you bought the brakes of to give you the engineers report on the brakes that you purchased from him, no master cylnder change will fix
the flex in the caliprers, you can see by the wear pattern that they are a problem, it will just resault in a spongy pedal.
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Its not up to the supplier to provide an engineers report !
Its buyer beware 
Remember how every one said how great all these cheap parts are
even know those who sell no nothing about making them work or fit.
The engineers report is for the whole car not just the add on bits , so it has to be addressed by the owner of the vehicle owner.
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| posted on May 6th, 2011 at 10:06 AM |
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In Queensland the engineer certifies individual modifications, IE, disc brake conversions, i have purchased a set of brakes the had been engineered
and all i had to do is get it checked out by a engineer and attach the blue plate
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| posted on May 6th, 2011 at 10:26 AM |
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Are we talking about the same problem here???
I thought the calipers fitter correctly and better than that pic...
Have you seen similar flex in your caliper?
WHat about a simple bore of the master cylinder for a larger ID diamater sleeve?
I remember speaking to a clutch and brake specialist and he had a lot of help. Have you got anyone close by that is a specialist?
I am thinking in will get my pads reset with a better brake pad compound, i might invest in getting the diamater enlarged if i need more response and
then adjust to suit with in-line restricters...
Better yet why don't you put up some pics of what you are working with.
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| posted on May 6th, 2011 at 06:39 PM |
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if brake calipers are not meant to flex on operation for the intended use then they are faulty as they are incorrectly operating.
would that mean a refund. to me thats a refund as................... (they are faulty).
i dont think it should be buyer aware. if they fail out of the box, entitled to the above.
pull them off and return.
i am sure you would have a case.
i had a win against someone for an item failing, tell them to visit fair trading.
some good reading there
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| posted on May 6th, 2011 at 07:44 PM |
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Most VW part I see have "for off road use only" on them
Futue te ipsum!!!
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| posted on May 8th, 2011 at 01:15 PM |
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Even the poor quality $herman brake kits mentioned above are 'engineer approved'
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| posted on May 8th, 2011 at 03:24 PM |
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my beetle was engineered with Sherman Fiat type rear brakes , no problem 
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| posted on May 8th, 2011 at 03:57 PM |
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Totally depends on who engineered them, the guy i use will not pass them at all.
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| posted on May 12th, 2011 at 06:14 PM |
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Any news or progress here?
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| posted on May 12th, 2011 at 07:15 PM |
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No, nothing. Classic haven't replied and still I'm wondering about what m/c would give us something at the pedal As I mentioned earlier in the thread we've re-installed the original drums so at least my son can
drive his car but there must be a solution that someone else has made as surely we can't be the only buyers of these brakes in Australia.
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| posted on May 12th, 2011 at 07:48 PM |
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my big commy brakes and t3 drums with the late bus m/c are working great.....firm pedal....................
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| posted on May 13th, 2011 at 08:23 AM |
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Barry, I have some 4psi residual pressure valves in stock if you want to try. I believe it's the 10psi that are recommended for disc's, but you
could try one as an experiment. They are metric so a screw in fitment.
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| posted on May 14th, 2011 at 09:40 AM |
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Thanks very much for the offer Matt but Michael doesn't want to touch his brakes for a little while I think he's over it
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| posted on May 19th, 2011 at 07:10 PM |
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I have a set of disc brakes on my '64 Ghia in wide 5, rears from Classic, and a set from Vintage on the front, I have a dual circuit Beetle master
cylinder fitted, they bleed up fine with good pedal but not quiet as good as stock. Stopping is a lot better with the discs.
On my '69 beetle I have a full set of CB performance alloy hub wide 5 disc brakes, front and rears, the calipers are crap quality and flex especially
the rears, these were a pain to bleed, couldn't get a good pedal, master was new, took off the calipers and pointed the bleader to the top, still no
good, in frustration I fitted a used Bay Kombi master cylinder, they blead up fine with a nice high firm pedal, but now you need to apply a lot more
pressure to the brake pedal when braking, not nice for a daily driver, it needs a booster to be perfect.
I know this is not much help for your problem, only thing I can think of that hasn't been suggested is bleed the rear brakes 1st.
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| posted on May 20th, 2011 at 08:25 AM |
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antientbugger, if you are going to the nationals take the brakes with u and slap them in georges face.he cant ignore u then.......
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| posted on May 20th, 2011 at 12:50 PM |
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Cheers Dave, I think the kombi m/c is the way I'm heading and cnfabo so far he's totally ignored my first email so I may just have to be a bloody
nuisance and keep sending them until I get a reply!
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| posted on May 20th, 2011 at 01:20 PM |
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i was seriously thinking about buying a set of these off george, thanks for the info, i wont be buying them now
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| posted on May 20th, 2011 at 03:10 PM |
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maybe get a deal on the bigger master from george, and if fixes the issue he can make it part of the package in the future?
Win win
Although hard to get contact with i think he is more than fair when dealing with these types of dramas with his customers
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| posted on May 21st, 2011 at 09:36 AM |
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Hey Hellbugged he answers quick enough when we order parts so I think it's only good customer relations to answer queries with the same speed. What
is the sales spin- One happy customer tells four people whereas one unhappy customer tells nine! So going by that it is in his own interest to sort
out the bad as well as the good.
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| posted on May 21st, 2011 at 04:10 PM |
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yeah fair call, as long as your'e sure he got the email and is choosing not to respond. i seriously doubt he would go that way and from my dealings
with him both in person and via phone, email etc, i would find it out of character for him to simply not give a s%$t
PM me your name or that of which the order was placed under and when and i will call him and make sure he is aware of your issues........i have to
order a couple of things anyhow so it's no prob
if he is non responsive, ok, but if i can help to getting you and his reputation sorted that would also make me happy
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