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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 08:52 AM |
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I like all the useful info here ..... 
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 09:18 AM |
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If you're gonna go to pieces anytime someone challenges you, internet forums probably aren't for you then.
For the record I didnt say/imply it was bullshit, there are 100s of big hp 1916s out there, i was just saying a few changes doubling the hp
sounds like bullshit.
From what we can gather you just have a different definition of a few small changes than some of us.
You're the one getting your aggressive gruff on.
Noone want's to know any secret tricks of the trade all your experience has given you, but its not hard so to say something like porting the shit
outta the heads and dumping some IDAs on really paid off.
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 03:31 PM |
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It has been entertaining to see how my own drunken post to get a rough idea of what HP I would get has taken a turn.
By the sounds of all the advice given, over all I should be happy with the results of the rebuild.
Cheers for the advice.
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 05:43 PM |
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I bet you never thought you would see this come from your thread hey? Funny...
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 06:07 PM |
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The exsisting 44 IDF webers were reused...manifolds were carefully matched to the heads.
There was no Porting the shit out of the heads.
We used different heads to what Scat supplied. CB oval ports with some careful machining , its not anywhere near a Grenade its still running fine in
a Trike........
I have built several similar or hotter engines , all reliable . In fact more reliable than the roughly assembled Scat engines. The last 1 I looked at
had the dizzy drive wearing into the
new case due to the dodgy thrust washers that the mexican dudes used ?
any thing else you people wish to know ?
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 06:09 PM |
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It has been entertaining to see how my own drunken post to get a rough idea of what HP I would get has taken a turn.
By the sounds of all the advice given, over all I should be happy with the results of the rebuild.
Cheers for the advice.
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I strongly recommend that you don't use that 110 cam in your 1600. A std cam would be much better.
Cheers
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 06:38 PM |
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Cough cough
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 06:45 PM |
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 who would eva 'ave thunked it
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 07:03 PM |
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So whats so wrong with a 1600 running a 110? I have found they can work well with mild heads and carbs .
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| posted on August 15th, 2011 at 07:38 PM |
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I just hope that your car will have horse power to get up the drive at Sunday September 11th Lunch VW Cruise to "Trackside" Central Coast
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It has been entertaining to see how my own drunken post to get a rough idea of what HP I would get has taken a turn.
By the sounds of all the advice given, over all I should be happy with the results of the rebuild.
Cheers for the advice.
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| posted on August 16th, 2011 at 07:52 AM |
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I still carnt see how a head change will give you double the HP
if thats the case then i will buy a set thats CHEAP HP
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| posted on August 16th, 2011 at 08:33 AM |
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Come on Birch, hp is in the heads, the rest is the same in any engine bar the camshaft (in a mechanical sense). Pistons, cylinders, rods and
crankshafts don't change in the job they do, they just get more refined for strength and higher rpm, hp is all in the heads.
BUT, 120 from CB round ports and a 1915.......mmmmm, must be 120 flywheel IMO.
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| posted on August 16th, 2011 at 12:05 PM |
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As I said on my last post
120 at the wheels with just that
Cough cough
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| posted on August 16th, 2011 at 01:55 PM |
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mmm Mat read.... Oval port Heads with some careful machining and measuring... BHP readout @ the wheels
cough all you like , I don't care what u think.
I don't want to argue about this , so many more accusations and I'm off line.
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| posted on August 16th, 2011 at 01:56 PM |
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So whats so wrong with a 1600 running a 110? I have found they can work well with mild heads and carbs .
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nuff said
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| posted on August 16th, 2011 at 04:59 PM |
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Come on Birch, hp is in the heads, the rest is the same in any engine bar the
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yes especially if you fly cut them to increase the comp ratio no probs
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| posted on August 17th, 2011 at 02:19 AM |
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Well its not going to make much power at at 8.5: 1 now is it ? unless you turn a lot of RPM !
More compression = more power up to the point of detonation .
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| posted on August 17th, 2011 at 07:25 AM |
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Wow... this post has gone a long way from the original topic !!!
I'd be putting my money on about 50hp atw from a 1600 with a 110 in it. For comparison 1914/5/6's with a reasonable amount of headwork, Webers and a
110 get in the realm 70-80'ish atw
As to the other stuff... well HoneyAbba I think the issue that Joel and others have is your definition of "a few changes".
What's a SCAT motor cost landed... 4k... 5k ??? If I'd put down that sort of $$$ on an engine, I don't know that I'd consider a complete tear down
and rebuild, different cam, different heads, increased compression etc. as "a few changes".
But hey - if the guys you build engines for are happy, that's about all that counts really !!!
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| posted on August 17th, 2011 at 07:37 AM |
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what rock have I been hiding under
I click on a thread about sposed ponies n BANG world series cricket sledge match
glad to see life in the play ground is still abundant without deletion
ooh the name calling and such
is the chemist outta riddalin chewables? 
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| posted on August 17th, 2011 at 08:48 AM |
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mmm Mat read.... Oval port Heads with some careful machining and measuring... BHP readout @ the wheels
cough all you like , I don't care what u think.
I don't want to argue about this , so many more accusations and I'm off line.
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Ooops, my bad, I did think it was built on round ports, so oval ports and 120 rwhp. I'd say well done, but I have to ask what CR?
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So whats so wrong with a 1600 running a 110? I have found they can work well with mild heads and carbs .
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So that's your argument........ very clever, thanks for sharing.
Next time your in Queensland, you must look me up, I'll race your 120rwhp with my 120 rwhp type 4.
I'd like to see that. 
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| posted on August 17th, 2011 at 09:27 AM |
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I would rather NOT disclose the cam grind or comp ratio, but I'm sure you could make an educated guess.
Its not my trike, its a customers and yes he is stoked with the
results and was willing to pay..
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| posted on August 17th, 2011 at 06:57 PM |
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so minimal chages can double yr HP
thers no substitute for BUMPS and compression thats the only way
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| posted on August 17th, 2011 at 07:27 PM |
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Its great to log in here and not have people calling me a B/S artist.. and /or mods adjusting my posts yet leaving the offensive ones on there. I
guess its just a communication thing..
cough cough
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| posted on August 17th, 2011 at 08:04 PM |
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Just out of interest, if it was a 100 cam with with twin solex 35s - how would that change things?
I want to keep this thread going until it reaches Pay per View!
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| posted on August 18th, 2011 at 04:40 AM |
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dual 36 carbs ,are they single barrell carbs , or 36 dual double barrels ?
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| posted on August 18th, 2011 at 07:08 AM |
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Single. Would doubles work on a 1600 with that configuration and stock heads?
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| posted on August 18th, 2011 at 08:25 AM |
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Single. Would doubles work on a 1600 with that configuration and stock heads?
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Yes
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| posted on August 18th, 2011 at 03:37 PM |
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I just installed dual Kadrons (single barrels) on my stock 1600. Along with my merged header with Phat Boy for better flow, it feels like i've
doubled my ponies 
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| posted on August 18th, 2011 at 06:29 PM |
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Cool. I can't wait!
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| posted on August 18th, 2011 at 08:45 PM |
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Hi guys,
I have a question to ask on this thread.
My car is currently getting the carbs set up. I have a stock 1600cc twin-port with a Pertronix distributor (009 style), sidewinder exhaust and a pair
of 36mm IDF Webers on CB Performance manifolds. What size venturis would you recommend for the Webers? The carbs currently have something like 32mm
venturis in them. I want it to run nicely on the stock 1600 at this stage, but in the future I may upgrade the engine with heads, cam and who knows
what else.
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