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| posted on February 13th, 2012 at 09:32 AM |
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It's not invalid. I'm just saying that it's not a useless form of suspension. I'm well aware that Macpherson strut is superior in most ways, but
tractor front ends have been going strong for a good +75 years now. And as far as the not intended for offroad use goes, for a car that was designed
for the autobahns, Porsche did a remarkable job of producing a suspension design that was destined to win the Baja 1000 offroad race 
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Possibly part of his design brief was to produce a car that was more of a part of a war machine than "the peoples car"?
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| posted on February 13th, 2012 at 09:39 AM |
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Possibly part of his design brief was to produce a car that was more of a part of a war machine than "the peoples car"?
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Actually it was more like 'a robust cheap and reliable vehicle, able to cruise at a sustained 100km/h' 
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| posted on February 13th, 2012 at 09:47 AM |
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I used to be a pre-68 lover myself, but when I got my 1303S (L bug) I was converted.
The curved front screen, I don't know how I would live without it.
MacPhersun strut front end is also good. When wheel aligned and everything.
Occasionally I get the "super bug shimmy" at 60km/h or even 50km/h, but that's probably because I tend to fly around corners at 3am and I've
probably got no more tred on my front tires...
I wouldn't change Zelda for anything now. I've considered selling her but I think that'd be wrong. She'll be my first bug and I won't sell her
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| posted on February 13th, 2012 at 12:36 PM |
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hmm, the robust-ness of the torsion bar motion compared to strut when it comes to 'offroad' is excellent
I can drive up square gutters on the road at 20kmh with my torsion bar front and rear with no worries, crazy massive whacks or smashes because the
torsion bar retracts and dampens in both an up and down motion and a backward motion. Damping both vertical and horizontal displacement.
I can't see my mates strut bug being capable of doing that . Mind you his strut bug handled the road/highway and corners
fantastically. I was envious of that!
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| posted on February 13th, 2012 at 04:37 PM |
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That's where the old torsion bar front end really shines.
Being so simple and robust makes it perfect for offroad.
The problem with them on the road is you can't get a progressive spring rate from Torsion leaves like you can a coil springs which is why the strut
front end has the better ride quality over bumps, they're just not as strongly built so suck at harsh offroading.
A good comparison.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBFENsA0qos
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| posted on February 13th, 2012 at 06:51 PM |
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I can drive up square gutters on the road at 20kmh with my torsion bar front and rear with no worries, crazy massive whacks or smashes
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Perfect for driving home pissed 
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AVD encourages responsible consumption of alchol and only doing burnouts on a day ending in a "Y" 
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| posted on February 13th, 2012 at 07:14 PM |
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news IS THEY AINT SUPER
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| posted on February 13th, 2012 at 08:45 PM |
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PS
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Ahahaha that is gold!
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| posted on February 13th, 2012 at 09:08 PM |
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news IS THEY AINT SUPER
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Well according to my rego papers mine is SUPERB 
VOLKSW SUPERB to be precise.
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| posted on February 13th, 2012 at 09:16 PM |
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Awesomeness!
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| posted on February 13th, 2012 at 10:22 PM |
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That's a great video you posted Joel. Really shows the difference in suspension.
Now which car would handle it better if the bumps were twice or 3 times the size? 
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| posted on February 14th, 2012 at 08:23 AM |
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A jeep
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| posted on February 14th, 2012 at 09:37 AM |
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haha, my mates Hilux surf has Torsion bar at the fronts. but in an A arm geometry. i was amazed
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| posted on February 14th, 2012 at 09:38 AM |
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Most Forbys are like that, my Navara is the same
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| posted on February 14th, 2012 at 11:16 AM |
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Did they make Beetles after 1967??
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| posted on February 14th, 2012 at 12:03 PM |
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Yes, but you probably haven't heard about them, they are reserved for a small bunch of elite drivers and important people.
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| posted on February 14th, 2012 at 01:01 PM |
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"""" Well according to my rego papers mine is SUPERB
VOLKSW SUPERB to be precise. """
You wouldnt expect anything different from the NSW RTA
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| posted on February 14th, 2012 at 01:40 PM |
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Did they make Beetles after 1967??
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hahaha
I'm not a fan of anything built after 67. The lines and curves just don't look right, and I love the simplicity of the early models.
The big square bumpers look awful too. Even on Kombis, I prefer Lowlight models as to the later bay
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| posted on February 14th, 2012 at 07:20 PM |
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Hi
Not wanting to get all hippy, but why hate a particular model car.
If you don't like a super don't buy one. I don't like some aspects of other VW models but I don't get myself all worked up about it and post
hateful things about them apart from mentioning how agricultural a beam front end is in response to jibes about supers and anybody that pays mega
bucks for a split Kombi must have not driven the car before purchase.
Having owned an Oval and few 60s bugs, a Type 3, a 1302 and now a 1303 I've found that they all have things I'm not happy with. The behind dash
wiring on a 1303 is a joke for example.
I reckon my old 1302 looked great with its aero kit and my sons 1303 is a nice looking car.
Steve
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| posted on February 14th, 2012 at 08:39 PM |
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| Quote: | Originally
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FATTYS need to go on a diet
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